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miRack by mifki Limited - Live!!!

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  • @MonzoPro said:
    I’ve got my eye on this one, but worried I might not have the required level of boffinery required to make decent patches of my own - does it come with many/any presets?

    ít only comes with three patches, im sure once the exchange of patches gains momentum there will be plenty to test.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    I’ve got my eye on this one, but worried I might not have the required level of boffinery required to make decent patches of my own - does it come with many/any presets?

    Preset concept is the opposite to Modular paradigm.

    For start, watch some videos about eurorack intro on Youtube. This is the best way to understand what's going on in MiRack

  • If IAP happen at some point down the road I fully support it. VCV itself has paid modules. They are in fact very reasonably priced. I see no issue with more polished and complicated module sets costing xtra. Lots of apps do this, like Cubasis for instance. There’s already a very good selection of modules in miRack. More than I have in my physical modular case. Excited to see what comes next! :)

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    ít only comes with three patches, im sure once the exchange of patches gains momentum there will be plenty to test.

    Oh ok, cheers.

    @OnfraySin said:

    Preset concept is the opposite to Modular paradigm.

    For start, watch some videos about eurorack intro on Youtube. This is the best way to understand what's going on in MiRack

    Many thanks.

  • Yeah I think as soon as connectivity is added to the app then we'll see an accelaration of patches starting to appear :)

  • Modular curiosity videos are good @MonzoPro

  • Connectivity that would make a huge difference for me:

    • Ability to record from the app (this is huge for obvious reasons).
    • Midi to/from other apps (if there is a way to make this work I couldn't identify it).

    Nice to have:

    • Audiobus as it would open a lot of things up.
    • Ableton Link .

    It would be cool if the app could host AU3s (and this would be a fair thing to charge for in my opinion).

    Making the App an AU3 plugin seems unrealistic for a number of reasons - and I'm not sure how much I'd use that functionality in practice.

  • @mifki - what were the optimizations that you made to the interface? It is a lot snappier than the version I have on my computer. Professional curiosity (feel free to disregard).

  • edited September 2019

    @cian midi works, just add core > midi in module and choose midi input.. for apps which do not provide virtual midi port directly, use some third party router lime Midiflow or Audiobus

    i use midiflow.. in midi flow i create virtual IN/OUT ports... IN iset in Nanostudio "External Midi" instrument as output and OUT i set in miRack midi in module - done. I can send notes and CC's from NS to miRack... It should work this way with any app.

  • Oh okay - I tried to do it from AUM and I couldn't get it work for some reason. Maybe I should try audiobus instead.

  • @dendy said:
    @cian midi works, just add core > midi in module and choose midi input.. for apps which do not provide virtual midi port directly, use some third party router lime Midiflow or Audiobus

    i use midiflow.. in midi flow i create virtual IN/OUT ports... IN iset in Nanostudio "External Midi" instrument as output and OUT i set in miRack midi in module - done. I can send notes and CC's from NS to miRack... It should work this way with any app.

    Helpful, @dendy
    But are you able to record the audio anywhere?

  • AUM doesn't expose own MIDI out for selection in other apps - like most hosts... hat's why you need third party router like Midiflow (or Audiobus)

  • edited September 2019

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @dendy said:
    @cian midi works, just add core > midi in module and choose midi input.. for apps which do not provide virtual midi port directly, use some third party router lime Midiflow or Audiobus

    i use midiflow.. in midi flow i create virtual IN/OUT ports... IN iset in Nanostudio "External Midi" instrument as output and OUT i set in miRack midi in module - done. I can send notes and CC's from NS to miRack... It should work this way with any app.

    Helpful, @dendy
    But are you able to record the audio anywhere?

    no at the moment... hm ok there is one way - you can use iOS screen capture and hen extract audio track from video (didn't triet it but ot's possible in theory) ... just hold in mind thst iOS screen capture records just mono audio...

  • Very pleased with miRack, the amount of modules it already comes with gives a vast playground to experiment with and it's only in its infancy.

    Really excited to see where miRack goes and kudos to @mifki for bringing this to iOS with all the things he has to deal with.

    I hope true module Devs and users get on side because this is the future of virtual modular.

  • @cian said:
    Modular curiosity videos are good @MonzoPro

    Ah thanks, yeah they look good.

  • @cian said:
    Oh okay - I tried to do it from AUM and I couldn't get it work for some reason. Maybe I should try audiobus instead.

    Yeah, I couldn’t get it to work from AUM either, but indeed Audiobus does work. Not sure why though?

  • edited September 2019

    UI suggestions:

    1. Long press to bring up module options menu (instead of or in addition to double-digit press) would be expected (first guess) by iOS users. This gesture would also be possible with a pencil or crayon -- which is very useful with patch cables where the finger often obscures the target hole.
    2. As mentioned, double-tap to reset. Very easy to do with pencil or crayon, and about half the music apps support this. Using a separate icon to start/stop an input mode is very rare. One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.
  • @MonzoPro said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    ít only comes with three patches, im sure once the exchange of patches gains momentum there will be plenty to test.

    Oh ok, cheers.

    @OnfraySin said:

    Preset concept is the opposite to Modular paradigm.

    For start, watch some videos about eurorack intro on Youtube. This is the best way to understand what's going on in MiRack

    Many thanks.

    The basic principle is no different from classic synths, except that the modules like VCO, EG, VCF, VCA, LFO and many more can be freely connected, a bit like on the Korg Ms-20.

  • edited September 2019

    We may need a mirack forum soon this is gonna be huge

  • edited September 2019

    Put it on the patch sharing post as well! Ops silly me you have!

  • @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    ít only comes with three patches, im sure once the exchange of patches gains momentum there will be plenty to test.

    Oh ok, cheers.

    @OnfraySin said:

    Preset concept is the opposite to Modular paradigm.

    For start, watch some videos about eurorack intro on Youtube. This is the best way to understand what's going on in MiRack

    Many thanks.

    The basic principle is no different from classic synths, except that the modules like VCO, EG, VCF, VCA, LFO and many more can be freely connected, a bit like on the Korg Ms-20.

    Ok cool, I should be alright then, I’ve had an MS20 for almost 40 years...

  • edited September 2019

    @mojozart said:
    UI suggestions:

    1. Long press to bring up module options menu (instead of or in addition to double-digit press) would be expected (first guess) by iOS users. This gesture would also be possible with a pencil or crayon -- which is very useful with patch cables where the finger often obscures the target hole.
    2. As mentioned, double-tap to reset. Very easy to do with pencil or crayon, and about half the music apps support this. Using a separate icon to start/stop an input mode is very rare. One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.
    1. No. This would collide with current long press and drag module
    2. definitely YES !
  • @dendy said:

    @mojozart said:
    UI suggestions:

    1. Long press to bring up module options menu (instead of or in addition to double-digit press) would be expected (first guess) by iOS users. This gesture would also be possible with a pencil or crayon -- which is very useful with patch cables where the finger often obscures the target hole.
    2. As mentioned, double-tap to reset. Very easy to do with pencil or crayon, and about half the music apps support this. Using a separate icon to start/stop an input mode is very rare. One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.
    1. No. This would collide with current long press and drag module
    2. definitely YES !

    About 1.: I would be OK with tap-move to move modules versus tap-hold for options.
    The question is rather on what areas of the respective module these should be detected.
    Only close to the borders? (I'd say yes)
    Or between controls too? (I'd say no).

  • @dendy said:

    @mojozart said:
    UI suggestions:

    1. Long press to bring up module options menu (instead of or in addition to double-digit press) would be expected (first guess) by iOS users. This gesture would also be possible with a pencil or crayon -- which is very useful with patch cables where the finger often obscures the target hole.
    2. As mentioned, double-tap to reset. Very easy to do with pencil or crayon, and about half the music apps support this. Using a separate icon to start/stop an input mode is very rare. One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.
    1. No. This would collide with current long press and drag module
    2. definitely YES !

    Agreed 2 yes.

  • edited September 2019

    Regarding the controls, again, my reasoning was to make it less error-prone. This includes avoiding the need to long-touch or double-tap small controls or between them. Even now I quite often accidentally hold a module for too long and start moving it, that's why I added the Lock Modules option.

    One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.

    What does this mean?

    I will definitely be improving the controls though and am happy to make everything mentioned above available as an option. Below is the list of operations for modules and their controls, so I'm open to suggestions for a "default control scheme" that would cover all of these operations.

    • Drag wires, operate controls, including multiple controls simultaneously
    • Reset a control to its default value
    • Move module
    • Show module menu
    • Pan the rack view
    • Zoom the rack view
    • [additionally requested] Zoom in to a single module / zoom out
  • edited September 2019

    @mifki said:

    One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.

    What does this mean?

    Search me :smile: Perhaps my imagination got the better of me.

    That aside, it would please me to see more direct interaction and less reliance on modal icons. I'd also like every action to be possible using a pencil.

  • edited September 2019

    TLDR thread.

    VCV Rack is awesome but my 2012 MacBook Pro can’t hack recording more than two stereo channels of patches based round Audible Instruments without some glitch sounds occasionally.

    I’m blown away by MiRack so far. However in terms of recording it is currently very limited. A simple drum kit and a handful of Mutables and so far no audio probs.

    It’s very sad there is tensions with the VCV Rack guys. I read their reasons why they felt an iOS port was not possible for good reasons but with a side of ideology. I mean they made it open source after all, I hope they can negotiate and form an eventual collaborative alliance. MiRack seems to work great with my initial experiments so far (without recording or I/O capabilities currently.). The touch screen makes so much more sense in terms of competing in the lane of tactility with the modelled real eurorack plus other hardware modular formats.

    If it talks DC coupled interface, it’s a potential revolution.

  • @mifki said:
    Regarding the controls, again, my reasoning was to make it less error-prone. This includes avoiding the need to long-touch or double-tap small controls or between them. Even now I quite often accidentally hold a module for too long and start moving it, that's why I added the Lock Modules option.

    One of the problems on small or zoomed-in screens is that the mode icon may be off-screen.

    What does this mean?

    I will definitely be improving the controls though and am happy to make everything mentioned above available as an option. Below is the list of operations for modules and their controls, so I'm open to suggestions for a "default control scheme" that would cover all of these operations.

    • Drag wires, operate controls
    • Reset a control to its default value
    • Move module
    • Show module menu
    • Pan the rack view
    • Zoom the rack view
    • [additionally requested] Zoom in to a single module / zoom out

    Double tap to reset parameters to zero or default value is a fairly standard feature in ios apps so please can you go for that. 👍

  • Everything functions great imo
    As far as Control stuff the only issue I’ve had is when I’m going to patch a cable the entire module slides away, being able to lock it in place but still being able to patch it would be cool , then maybe a second lock option that locks all the cables in so you don’t accidentally pull it out, if that’s not doable a “back” or “undo” button would be helpful for those times you pulled a cable and didn’t see which one lol but heard the sound change

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