miRack by mifki Limited - Live!!!

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@rs2000 said:

@mojozart said:
Here are all the reasons why porting vcvRack to a mobile device or touch screen is near impossible:

https://vcvrack.com/manual/FAQ.html#will-rack-be-ported-to-ios-or-android

None of these points is a blocker. Basically, @mifki has already proven how well it actually works.

I suspect the Drambo devs have been facing these same issues.

I've done a few patches with miRack now and I have to say that I feel a bit sorry for @giku_beepstreet - miRack already includes so much more than I've seen in Drambo so far, except AUv3 compatibility. It's certainly a bit unfair to compare them anyway and Drambo will certainly be the faster, easier, more straightforward one to use but if you want the real power of a modern modular system without the "mathematical" character of Audulus or zMors Modular then miRack is it.

nah, not at all. Drambo is an entirely different beast.

there might be a small amount of sonic crossover, but anyone who is at all interested in modular synthesis and owns an ipad would be crazy not to get both.

I'm loving mirack, (especially the sounds that are coming out of it!) but admittedly dragging virtual cables around isn't my preferred way of working digitally. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but there's something to be said for apps that are designed for ios that take full advantage of the touch interface and smaller screens (ie Spacecraft). Mirack certainly does a great job with something that was originally built for desktop though.

reasOne

Again I’m having too much fun with mirack, it’s all I do now lol, all day even at work sometimes 😂

I was curious if you are adding any more effects, like valley plateau? The spring reverb and the ping pong are nice ones tho

paradiddle

@mifki hi, small request: double-tap to reset a knob instead of using the thing on top.

Thanks! Amazing port.

_mwallace

@mifki miRack is fantastic, the hours just fly by I’m having so much fun with it.
I have a small request. In the 2-finger tap menu, can the “Randomize’ and ‘Disconnect Cables’ menu items be separated more, maybe move disconnect to the bottom? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve accidentally disconnected cables when trying to randomize.

mifki

@reasOne said:
Again I’m having too much fun with mirack, it’s all I do now lol, all day even at work sometimes 😂

I was curious if you are adding any more effects, like valley plateau? The spring reverb and the ping pong are nice ones tho

Actually, Valley modules will be added soon. So yes, Plateau

@paradiddle said:
@mifki hi, small request: double-tap to reset a knob instead of using the thing on top.

Thanks! Amazing port.

Ok, I'll add that as an option. My reasoning was that using an extra button is more mistake-proof than trying to tap a small control twice (or doing so accidentally).

@_mwallace said:
@mifki miRack is fantastic, the hours just fly by I’m having so much fun with it.
I have a small request. In the 2-finger tap menu, can the “Randomize’ and ‘Disconnect Cables’ menu items be separated more, maybe move disconnect to the bottom? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve accidentally disconnected cables when trying to randomize.

Ok, I'll see what I can do. Once I add Undo function this will be less of a problem.

reasOne

@mifki said:

@reasOne said:
Again I’m having too much fun with mirack, it’s all I do now lol, all day even at work sometimes 😂

I was curious if you are adding any more effects, like valley plateau? The spring reverb and the ping pong are nice ones tho

Actually, Valley modules will be added soon. So yes, Plateau

@paradiddle said:
@mifki hi, small request: double-tap to reset a knob instead of using the thing on top.

Thanks! Amazing port.

Ok, I'll add that as an option. My reasoning was that using an extra button is more mistake-proof than trying to tap a small control twice (or doing so accidentally).

@_mwallace said:
@mifki miRack is fantastic, the hours just fly by I’m having so much fun with it.
I have a small request. In the 2-finger tap menu, can the “Randomize’ and ‘Disconnect Cables’ menu items be separated more, maybe move disconnect to the bottom? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve accidentally disconnected cables when trying to randomize.

Ok, I'll see what I can do. Once I add Undo function this will be less of a problem.

Wow!!!!! Awesome!!!
Do you have a patreon!??
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

mifki

@reasOne said:
Wow!!!!! Awesome!!!
Do you have a patreon!??
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

Thanks, I'm fine. So I suggest donating to the author of your favourite module pack

Carnbot

I think any iap on open source modules would be a very bad idea and would not go down well with the VCV community. It wouldn't sit well with me either since the module authors don't profit from that.

@reasOne said:
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

mifki

@Carnbot said:
I think any iap on open source modules would be a very bad idea and would not go down well with the VCV community. It wouldn't sit well with me either since the module authors don't profit from that.

@reasOne said:
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

Definitely. I hope reasOne meant app features, not modules.

reasOne

Definitely! > @Carnbot said:

I think any iap on open source modules would be a very bad idea and would not go down well with the VCV community. It wouldn't sit well with me either since the module authors don't profit from that.

@reasOne said:
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

@mifki said:

@Carnbot said:
I think any iap on open source modules would be a very bad idea and would not go down well with the VCV community. It wouldn't sit well with me either since the module authors don't profit from that.

@reasOne said:
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

Definitely. I hope reasOne meant app features, not modules.

Yesssir, meant app features along the way!

dendy

@mifki said:

@Carnbot said:
I think any iap on open source modules would be a very bad idea and would not go down well with the VCV community. It wouldn't sit well with me either since the module authors don't profit from that.

@reasOne said:
And feel free to make things an iap if not 😁

Definitely. I hope reasOne meant app features, not modules.

or you make deal with module author, something like he gets 30% of sales (30% goes usually to apple and 30% to you for providing platform) - i think that would be totaly fair offer.

i can see that for some module devs this may be interesting offer / motivation - ironically this can make miRack more commercially sucessfull project than original VCV rack :-)

Carnbot

@dendy said

or you make deal with module author, something like he gets 30% of sales (30% goes usually to apple and 30% to you for providing platform) -
i can see that for some module devs this may be interesting offer / motivation - ironically this can make miRack more commercially sucessfull project than original VCV rack :-)

Nothing wrong with adding commercial modules to the project in the future, but I personally think the open source ones should be free as the authors intended. Reading through the forum I think that's part of the issues some of the original authors have of the iOS project, that Apple will profit financially from open source.

cian

What about IAPs for paid modules, with all the money going to the module author (and they get to set the price)?

Also how do IAPs work? My understanding was that you could download things through an IAP, but I guess that might just be for content, rather than code.

Also I will get you a patch with that bug as soon as I have a moment.

cian

I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

Jumpercollins

@cian said:
I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

That last post definitely TOOTP. (Toys Out Of The Pram ! ) It's my train set and nobody's messing with it ! Kind of childish the community big enough to absorb this.

Jumpercollins

Would be great to see iOS developers coming forward to make modules for miRack if there was some way through IAP arrangements. The market is there.

[Deleted User]

@Jumpercollins said:

@cian said:
I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

That last post definitely TOOTP. (Toys Out Of The Pram ! ) It's my train set and nobody's messing with it ! Kind of childish the community big enough to absorb this.

Nothing more irritating than someone adding their opinion in a thread, and then closing it to stop any response.

rs2000

@Jumpercollins said:

@cian said:
I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

That last post definitely TOOTP. (Toys Out Of The Pram ! ) It's my train set and nobody's messing with it ! Kind of childish the community big enough to absorb this.

Whatever one might think of Andrew, he has done a great job and he's free to have and certainly has good reasons to have his own opinion. We want both apps to peacefully co-exist, so let's support and be thankful for both.

TheOriginalPaulB

@rs2000 said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@cian said:
I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

That last post definitely TOOTP. (Toys Out Of The Pram ! ) It's my train set and nobody's messing with it ! Kind of childish the community big enough to absorb this.

Whatever one might think of Andrew, he has done a great job and he's free to have and certainly has good reasons to have his own opinion. We want both apps to peacefully co-exist, so let's support and be thankful for both.

Wait until he tells module devs that he won’t support their modules if they also support miRack...

[Deleted User]

lets not attack the original Dev, its amazing what he did.

auxmux

@rs2000 said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@cian said:
I read the thread on VCVrack, which seemed pretty reasonable for the most part. Then I read the final post where Andrew closed the thread. Oh boy...

I like VCVRack and admire what he's done, but he kind of comes off as a bit of a dick sadly. His arguments for why VCVRack shouldn't be run on a mobile device make no sense. Not wanting to do it himself seems reasonable, but to prevent others from doing it is hyper-controlling. And not taking code contributions is also a weird thing to do, particularly when he seems out of his depth when it comes to graphics (there's no good technical reason for the crappy performance of VCVRack interface) is just WTF dude.

He just seems very controlling. Oh well.

That last post definitely TOOTP. (Toys Out Of The Pram ! ) It's my train set and nobody's messing with it ! Kind of childish the community big enough to absorb this.

Whatever one might think of Andrew, he has done a great job and he's free to have and certainly has good reasons to have his own opinion. We want both apps to peacefully co-exist, so let's support and be thankful for both.

I agree with not stirring the pot too much. It's best to let cooler heads prevail. Both have value and perhaps selfishly I want interoperability between both.

mifki

I certainly welcome any module developers, of existing modules or new, who want to make their modules available as in-app purchase. Some work will need to be done for that, but it's all relatively easily doable. All or almost all money minus App Store commission would go to devs.

Carnbot

The problem as I see this is because both platforms aren't connected and cannot be linked with purchases, as soon as talk of commercial viability with in app purchases and selling modules on the ios platform starts, miRack starts to look like a rival to vcv rack and not a benefit to that community, because few will buy into both platforms with the same modules and people will choose one platform over the other.

So I can understand Andrew's reasoning to shut down the conversation now.

skiphunt

Although I’m really enjoying this app and am certainly happy to support this developer with my miRack purchase... I kinda bought it on faith that hopefully being able to record and/or some interactivity with other iOS apps like AB3/AUM/apeMatrix would be added free of charge and not IAPs. Is this not the case?

mifki

@skiphunt said:
Although I’m really enjoying this app and am certainly happy to support this developer with my miRack purchase... I kinda bought it on faith that hopefully being able to record and/or some interactivity with other iOS apps like AB3/AUM/apeMatrix would be added free of charge and not IAPs. Is this not the case?

Of course it will. I'll make it clear - I'm not planning to add any IAPs for core features, everything I promised here will come for free for existing users.

mifki

@mifki said:

@skiphunt said:
Although I’m really enjoying this app and am certainly happy to support this developer with my miRack purchase... I kinda bought it on faith that hopefully being able to record and/or some interactivity with other iOS apps like AB3/AUM/apeMatrix would be added free of charge and not IAPs. Is this not the case?

Of course it will. I'll make it clear - at the moment I'm not planning to add any IAPs for core features, everything I promised here will come for free for existing users.

mifki

@Carnbot said:
The problem as I see this is because both platforms aren't connected and cannot be linked with purchases, as soon as talk of commercial viability with in app purchases and selling modules on the ios platform starts, miRack starts to look like a rival to vcv rack and not a benefit to that community, because few will buy into both platforms with the same modules and people will choose one platform over the other.

So I can understand Andrew's reasoning to shut down the conversation now.

Commercial miRack modules is a distant future and were not mentioned on VCV forums, I doubt he was thinking about this particular issue. But I agree it's enough discussing him or his actions.

skiphunt

@mifki said:

@skiphunt said:
Although I’m really enjoying this app and am certainly happy to support this developer with my miRack purchase... I kinda bought it on faith that hopefully being able to record and/or some interactivity with other iOS apps like AB3/AUM/apeMatrix would be added free of charge and not IAPs. Is this not the case?

Of course it will. I'll make it clear - I'm not planning to add any IAPs for core features, everything I promised here will come for free for existing users.

I do think new and interesting modules down the road would make perfect and reasonable sense as IAPs to support continued development.

[Deleted User]

For me this app is what closes the circle.
It’s what I was waiting for since I first heard about music making on iOS.
The only app I don’t mind if it has no AB, IAA, AU, Link etc. In fact I hope these connectivity standards will only be considered if they don’t compromise the audio quality. For the first time I think expecting AU is unrealistic, and I’m completely happy to dedicate an iPad to this app and record whatever comes out of it.
IMO it’s completely different from Drambo, which I see more aimed at live performances, quick workflow.

Huge thanks to the dev for listening and bringing it to this platform!
I hope after the initial noise all will be fine and maybe even iOS will turn out to be the better platform for this project, and all of us... users and devs.

[Deleted User]

I’ve got my eye on this one, but worried I might not have the required level of boffinery required to make decent patches of my own - does it come with many/any presets?