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So, I grabbed a Sensel Morph...

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  • Yes, that‘s basically how Gestrument Pro works. Of course, you can have different things setup for varying automations, apart from just that. GP is an absolut beast, I use it in each and every setup

  • @WillieNegus said:
    How are you feeling about your morph these days @ipadbeatmaking

    Is it your main controller for iOS?

    Which overlay do you use most?

    I had one at launch but sold it due to Bluetooth/MPE inconsistency and a few other minor issues I don’t recall.

    Have there been any updates, added features?

    Asking because there is a used one available in my area with all overlays for $200.

    I edited a video in LumaFusion with the video overlay settings I customized the other day, and that was a blast.

    I honestly don’t use it much because the uniqueness of my DAW (NanoStudio 2) which has 32 pads instead of 16, and no midi/mmc/playhead control. But if I was using something like beatmaker 3, which it feels like music production overlay was made for, I’m certain I would use it a lot more. The two are a perfect match.

    Currently I’m drumming on the screen itself and playing keys on the Xkey Air due to workflow efficiency.

    All that said, For $200, I’d grab it without thinking twice.

  • Was tempted to get the Sensel Morph music package the other day but for £20 less picked up the Novation Lauchpad Pro MK 3 which I think our get more use out of as use Ableton Live a lot and can use it with iPad. Still would like to try out the morph so may pick one up in the future. How solid are the overlays I be afraid they would crack or tear that’s my only worry. The LP is solid by the way I find Novation gear to be well built.

  • edited September 2020

    @WillieNegus I own a Morph around two weeks now and I'm very happy with it. The response and interaction is better than I thought it was. Use it with my iPad music apps, and also control my Hydrasynth Desktop and Waldorf Iridium with it. I use the piano and the Buchla overlay.

    On my PC I use it to control some VST like Omnisphere and Fundamental.

    For $200 it's a must buy.

  • @WillieNegus said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    @WillieNegus I own a Morph around two weeks now and I'm very happy with it. The response and interaction is better than I thought it was. I also control my Hydrasynth Desktop and Waldorf Iridium with it. I use the piano and the Buchla overlay.

    On my PC I use it to control some VST like Omnisphere and Fundamental.

    For $200 it's a must buy.

    Thanks...my $175 counteroffer and was accepted so it was a no brainer. It came with everything but the Buchla and Creator overlays.

    Looking forward to using it more this time around.

    Congrats, a very good buy! I recommend the Buchla, it's really great for MPE.

  • @WillieNegus said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    @WillieNegus I own a Morph around two weeks now and I'm very happy with it. The response and interaction is better than I thought it was. I also control my Hydrasynth Desktop and Waldorf Iridium with it. I use the piano and the Buchla overlay.

    On my PC I use it to control some VST like Omnisphere and Fundamental.

    For $200 it's a must buy.

    Thanks...my $175 counteroffer and was accepted so it was a no brainer. It came with everything but the Buchla and Creator overlays.

    Looking forward to using it more this time around.

    Wow!!! Mans winning out here!

  • @WillieNegus said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @WillieNegus said:
    How are you feeling about your morph these days @ipadbeatmaking

    Is it your main controller for iOS?

    Which overlay do you use most?

    I had one at launch but sold it due to Bluetooth/MPE inconsistency and a few other minor issues I don’t recall.

    Have there been any updates, added features?

    Asking because there is a used one available in my area with all overlays for $200.

    I edited a video in LumaFusion with the video overlay settings I customized the other day, and that was a blast.

    I honestly don’t use it much because the uniqueness of my DAW (NanoStudio 2) which has 32 pads instead of 16, and no midi/mmc/playhead control. But if I was using something like beatmaker 3, which it feels like music production overlay was made for, I’m certain I would use it a lot more. The two are a perfect match.

    Currently I’m drumming on the screen itself and playing keys on the Xkey Air due to workflow efficiency.

    All that said, For $200, I’d grab it without thinking twice.

    Wow. I hadn’t considered using it for video editing and BM3 is in fact what I intend to use it for most on iOS. Also, would like to use it to control Maschine instruments when away from Mk3.

    Thanks 🙏🏽

    Ya im exclusively iOS for all production (including video) now and it’s really been nice, one it’s all set up for it. Takes a while and trial and error to set it up, but I’ve got the video overlay template file for Lumafusion on http://www.ipadbeatmaking.com

    BM3 and Maschine?

    Perfect scenario for that music production overlay

    Congrats on getting your old thing back 😂

  • edited September 2020

    I asked Matt from Sensel about the possibility of a iPad app, and about future firmware updates. This is his reply :

    'Hey Peter,
    1) Yes, we've gotten this request a lot and hope to implement it in the future. Unfortunately I can't offer a time estimate, though.

    2) Yes, we actually have an update coming within the next month that includes minor fixes! We also just hired additional software support that will (hopefully) allow is to make updates more frequently.

    Kind regards,
    Matt'

    Sounds promising!

  • @WillieNegus said:
    That’s does sound promising @Pierre118

    Fairly confident Sensel will continue to Morph this into something epic. Anything it needs is simply a software/firmware update so more Dev resources sounds great.

    Yes, agree. The Morph deserves the attention, I even consider to buy a 2nd one......

  • I like the morph a lot. The only reason why it’s not getting more used from me is because of MPC and Maschine’s pads. If they make a bigger morph with pads that can rival MPC or maschine I’m all over it. Yes I know it defeats the purpose of the morph but I would at least like a bigger version. Just a bit bigger

  • @WillieNegus said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @WillieNegus said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @WillieNegus said:
    How are you feeling about your morph these days @ipadbeatmaking

    Is it your main controller for iOS?

    Which overlay do you use most?

    I had one at launch but sold it due to Bluetooth/MPE inconsistency and a few other minor issues I don’t recall.

    Have there been any updates, added features?

    Asking because there is a used one available in my area with all overlays for $200.

    I edited a video in LumaFusion with the video overlay settings I customized the other day, and that was a blast.

    I honestly don’t use it much because the uniqueness of my DAW (NanoStudio 2) which has 32 pads instead of 16, and no midi/mmc/playhead control. But if I was using something like beatmaker 3, which it feels like music production overlay was made for, I’m certain I would use it a lot more. The two are a perfect match.

    Currently I’m drumming on the screen itself and playing keys on the Xkey Air due to workflow efficiency.

    All that said, For $200, I’d grab it without thinking twice.

    Wow. I hadn’t considered using it for video editing and BM3 is in fact what I intend to use it for most on iOS. Also, would like to use it to control Maschine instruments when away from Mk3.

    Thanks 🙏🏽

    Ya im exclusively iOS for all production (including video) now and it’s really been nice, one it’s all set up for it. Takes a while and trial and error to set it up, but I’ve got the video overlay template file for Lumafusion on http://www.ipadbeatmaking.com

    BM3 and Maschine?

    Perfect scenario for that music production overlay

    Congrats on getting your old thing back 😂

    Thanks again. I’ve been watching your channel develop and purchased a few packs for NS2 when they launched. Keep up the excellent work!

    Thank you I appreciate that 🙏

    Btw did you receive an email from me recently, if not please PM your email address to me (I switched hosts and might not have got you on the new one).

  • @hansjbs said:
    I like the morph a lot. The only reason why it’s not getting more used from me is because of MPC and Maschine’s pads. If they make a bigger morph with pads that can rival MPC or maschine I’m all over it. Yes I know it defeats the purpose of the morph but I would at least like a bigger version. Just a bit bigger

    Definitely count me in for a morph XL

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @hansjbs said:
    I like the morph a lot. The only reason why it’s not getting more used from me is because of MPC and Maschine’s pads. If they make a bigger morph with pads that can rival MPC or maschine I’m all over it. Yes I know it defeats the purpose of the morph but I would at least like a bigger version. Just a bit bigger

    Definitely count me in for a morph XL

    +1

  • @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

  • @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    By fatter ... do you mean thicker? Or something else?

    The problem with more thickness would be diminishing of the pressure contact. The morph has to sense downward pressure. If that's damped too much it'll get unworkable fast. Unless someone came up with a shape underneath that could concentrate the pressure somehow.

    There are very, very few people on their forum who are 3d printing overlays, so I'm not sure there's much momentum in this direction.

  • @WillieNegus said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    Or Machine needs to make Mk3 class compliant so we can use it to control BM3, iMaschine.

    This.

  • @wim said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    By fatter ... do you mean thicker? Or something else?

    The problem with more thickness would be diminishing of the pressure contact. The morph has to sense downward pressure. If that's damped too much it'll get unworkable fast. Unless someone came up with a shape underneath that could concentrate the pressure somehow.

    There are very, very few people on their forum who are 3d printing overlays, so I'm not sure there's much momentum in this direction.

    Yes. I meant thickness. I’m so used to mpcstuff calling their upgraded pads fat pads.

    I figured they can come up with something for pressure somehow.

    Wait you can 3D print overlays??? How, what material are they using. I want to buy a 3D printer this might make go for one quicker.

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @WillieNegus said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    Or Machine needs to make Mk3 class compliant so we can use it to control BM3, iMaschine.

    This.

    I’ve been dreaming about this day for the longest. They teased us by letting the Mk3 audio work with iOS but not the rest of the controller :|

  • @hansjbs said:

    @wim said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    By fatter ... do you mean thicker? Or something else?

    The problem with more thickness would be diminishing of the pressure contact. The morph has to sense downward pressure. If that's damped too much it'll get unworkable fast. Unless someone came up with a shape underneath that could concentrate the pressure somehow.

    There are very, very few people on their forum who are 3d printing overlays, so I'm not sure there's much momentum in this direction.

    Yes. I meant thickness. I’m so used to mpcstuff calling their upgraded pads fat pads.

    I figured they can come up with something for pressure somehow.

    Wait you can 3D print overlays??? How, what material are they using. I want to buy a 3D printer this might make go for one quicker.

    Yes, the Sensel app lets you design custom control surfaces. You can export them for 2D or 3D printing. If you're thinking of going there, you might want to peruse the Sensel Forum. I don't see a lot of people trying it though, and not a whole lot that seems to be dramatically successful. But, on the other hand, I'm doing all I can to stave off my impulses to get a 3D printer, so my opinions are biased.

    As for size ... you wouldn't necessarily need to have a printer with the full size of the control area. You could print individual pads and stick them down to either the Morph itself, or to some other kind of flexible backing.

    http://guide.sensel.com/designer/#3d-print
    https://forum.sensel.com

  • @wim said:

    @hansjbs said:

    @wim said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @ipadbeatmaking @Pierre118. Glad I'm not the only one who wants a morph XL. I think it would still be extremely portable.

    @WillieNegus they don't even have to be maschine pads. I just want the pads on the morph to be fatter so it has the feel. Either that or someone needs to make a proper bluetooth pad controller with enough controls.

    By fatter ... do you mean thicker? Or something else?

    The problem with more thickness would be diminishing of the pressure contact. The morph has to sense downward pressure. If that's damped too much it'll get unworkable fast. Unless someone came up with a shape underneath that could concentrate the pressure somehow.

    There are very, very few people on their forum who are 3d printing overlays, so I'm not sure there's much momentum in this direction.

    Yes. I meant thickness. I’m so used to mpcstuff calling their upgraded pads fat pads.

    I figured they can come up with something for pressure somehow.

    Wait you can 3D print overlays??? How, what material are they using. I want to buy a 3D printer this might make go for one quicker.

    Yes, the Sensel app lets you design custom control surfaces. You can export them for 2D or 3D printing. If you're thinking of going there, you might want to peruse the Sensel Forum. I don't see a lot of people trying it though, and not a whole lot that seems to be dramatically successful. But, on the other hand, I'm doing all I can to stave off my impulses to get a 3D printer, so my opinions are biased.

    As for size ... you wouldn't necessarily need to have a printer with the full size of the control area. You could print individual pads and stick them down to either the Morph itself, or to some other kind of flexible backing.

    http://guide.sensel.com/designer/#3d-print
    https://forum.sensel.com

    Of course. The flexible backing is what I was asking which printers can do that because I don’t think they can yet. Not sure.

    I’m getting a used one from a friend so yeah it wasn’t part of my plan but I figured we could use it at the house. Specially for the kids.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @hansjbs said:
    I’m getting a used one from a friend so yeah it wasn’t part of my plan but I figured we could use it at the house. Specially for the kids.

    Sorry friend, you can't print kids with a 3D printer. Yet.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @hansjbs said:
    Of course. The flexible backing is what I was asking which printers can do that because I don’t think they can yet. Not sure.

    What I meant is you could glue smaller parts down to something like a piece of contact paper or acetone. You wouldn't necessarily have to print a whole overlay with backing as one piece.

    In fact, I think that's what I would do myself as it would potentially allow for rearrangement, etc without having to print up a whole overlay.

  • After making several iterations of custom overlays with various materials, here are some notes that may be helpful:
    1. Material rigidity is crucial - if too pliable it can droop, triggering at random from the pressure of the material; if too rigid, precision is lost as pressing in one area can cause neighboring areas to trigger.
    2. Material density should increase with material thickness, otherwise momentum is lost in translation...basically, if the overlay absorbs the force it won’t read consistently in the Morph.
    3. Adhesives are bad, mmkay. Seriously though, even a lightweight material with low tack adhesive can cause phantom taps.
    4. Triggers sitting too close to the edges can be very unreliable, best to allow for a few millimeters of gutter space around the outer sides of the overlay design.

    My most functional overlays are made with 2mm thick neoprene craft foam. Using a Cricut, I cut a base layer and score the button boundaries, then cut the buttons and apply them to the base by hand. 2 layers of the 2mm neoprene seems to provide a good balance between tactility and trigger consistency for me.
    I’m trying to figure out a way to make a thin membrane stretched across a frame as the base for an overlay, ideally in a way that provides a consistent ~1mm air gap between the overlay and the Morph surface...theoretically this would allow for more button travel while maintaining impact accuracy, but without creating a significant delay (using a dense neoprene for pads). I think this would be most useful for pads, not so much for keys or sliders.
    Down the road I plan on molding silicone and/or latex, if I do I’ll share my notes.

  • @wim said:

    @hansjbs said:
    I’m getting a used one from a friend so yeah it wasn’t part of my plan but I figured we could use it at the house. Specially for the kids.

    Sorry friend, you can't print kids with a 3D printer. Yet.

    :D :D

  • @3sleeves said:
    After making several iterations of custom overlays with various materials, here are some notes that may be helpful:
    1. Material rigidity is crucial - if too pliable it can droop, triggering at random from the pressure of the material; if too rigid, precision is lost as pressing in one area can cause neighboring areas to trigger.
    2. Material density should increase with material thickness, otherwise momentum is lost in translation...basically, if the overlay absorbs the force it won’t read consistently in the Morph.
    3. Adhesives are bad, mmkay. Seriously though, even a lightweight material with low tack adhesive can cause phantom taps.
    4. Triggers sitting too close to the edges can be very unreliable, best to allow for a few millimeters of gutter space around the outer sides of the overlay design.

    My most functional overlays are made with 2mm thick neoprene craft foam. Using a Cricut, I cut a base layer and score the button boundaries, then cut the buttons and apply them to the base by hand. 2 layers of the 2mm neoprene seems to provide a good balance between tactility and trigger consistency for me.
    I’m trying to figure out a way to make a thin membrane stretched across a frame as the base for an overlay, ideally in a way that provides a consistent ~1mm air gap between the overlay and the Morph surface...theoretically this would allow for more button travel while maintaining impact accuracy, but without creating a significant delay (using a dense neoprene for pads). I think this would be most useful for pads, not so much for keys or sliders.
    Down the road I plan on molding silicone and/or latex, if I do I’ll share my notes.

    Appreciate the info. Thank you.

  • @hansjbs said:

    @3sleeves said:
    After making several iterations of custom overlays with various materials, here are some notes that may be helpful:
    1. Material rigidity is crucial - if too pliable it can droop, triggering at random from the pressure of the material; if too rigid, precision is lost as pressing in one area can cause neighboring areas to trigger.
    2. Material density should increase with material thickness, otherwise momentum is lost in translation...basically, if the overlay absorbs the force it won’t read consistently in the Morph.
    3. Adhesives are bad, mmkay. Seriously though, even a lightweight material with low tack adhesive can cause phantom taps.
    4. Triggers sitting too close to the edges can be very unreliable, best to allow for a few millimeters of gutter space around the outer sides of the overlay design.

    My most functional overlays are made with 2mm thick neoprene craft foam. Using a Cricut, I cut a base layer and score the button boundaries, then cut the buttons and apply them to the base by hand. 2 layers of the 2mm neoprene seems to provide a good balance between tactility and trigger consistency for me.
    I’m trying to figure out a way to make a thin membrane stretched across a frame as the base for an overlay, ideally in a way that provides a consistent ~1mm air gap between the overlay and the Morph surface...theoretically this would allow for more button travel while maintaining impact accuracy, but without creating a significant delay (using a dense neoprene for pads). I think this would be most useful for pads, not so much for keys or sliders.
    Down the road I plan on molding silicone and/or latex, if I do I’ll share my notes.

    Appreciate the info. Thank you.

    I have been experimenting. I have tried some 2mm craft foam, but wonder if the foam I used is the wrong kind. Even using magnets to affix the sheets, the ones I have buckle and don’t want to lay completely flat which causes some problems. The best feel that I have gotten is card stock with a printed layout with magnets on top to hold it in place with netted shelf liner laid on top also affixed with magnets. The feel is good but it looks wonky.

    Do you have neoprene foam recommendation?

  • wimwim
    edited December 2020

    Couple more days and Santa will bring my 3D printer. I have some flexible TPU on order and am hoping this turns out to be a good material to print tactile surfaces. We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

    If it does work well, I might be open to printing up other people's designs at just the cost of material and postage.

  • @wim said:
    Couple more days and Santa will bring my 3D printer. I have some flexible TPU on order and am hoping this turns out to be a good material to print tactile surfaces. We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

    If it does work well, I might be open to printing up other people's designs at just the cost of material and postage.

    Count me in as interested! Please let us know how it goes with the new printer!

  • @espiegel123 The foam sheets that work better for me so far are the generic ones from Walmart, but they only seem to have the adhesive backed sheets in smaller sizes. I’ve had mixed success cutting layered materials as a shortcut in the assembly process. My favorite overlay I made by layering low tack vinyl shelf covering on top of a neoprene sheet, then lightly cutting the key layout into the vinyl, then peeling the vinyl keys and placing adhesive backed foam keys in place. I get phantom key presses and unexpected sliding when using magnets to hold the foam in place so I’ve resorted to edging tape, which works quite well for performance but kills the aesthetic...

  • Firmware update out for the Morph. I will probably wait a few days to see the comments on the morph forum before updating.

    @3sleeves : for what its worth, once I knew exactly where the magnets needed to go and used the right ones, I didn't have any problems with my layout sliding out of place. I have overlaid some shelf-liner (a sort of rubberized netting type) that has a nice feel. It is ugly but works well -- maybe even better than the commercial ones.

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