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First, read up on it. ADHD is not one thing. There are different subvariants. Many learn to develop strategies to compensate for it; for some , medication helps (and for some pretty necessary). But many (maybe even most) ADHDers do not require it. I would talk to your doctor about it and get recommendations for good psychiatrists in your area.
I have something…. For sure….
The general medical consensus is that ADHD is treated with a stimulant like Ritilan or (in my short lived case) Amphetimines.
A truly ADHD brain is made more functional with stimulants. I was probably miss diagnosed and my RX’es made me go without sleep for days at a time and constantly
Write emails… much like I do on this forum but without any breaks.
It turned out my doctor was a quack that over prescribed for some sadistic reason and my amphetimine RX’es got larger and larger until I was 5150’ed with a paranoid delusion.
This doctor has since had his license revoked and the woman he was writing RX’es for it really lucky to be alive. She was taking over 30 highly complex drugs at the same time. I imagine she got a second opinion and the new doctor called the medical board. I found a PDF of his case as it worked though the medical board.
He was working in a practice with anther quack that claimed his CT Scans could map the human soul:
He has a Public Television “Infomercial” where is explains how he reads the “tea leaves”. He has since moved on to Alzheimer’s with his CT Scan BS.
@McD: it is not true that 'a truly ADHD brain is made more functional with stimulants'. This is a a misrepresentation of the situation. SOME people with ADHD see improvement of some symptoms with certain specific stimulants. Many people with real ADHD do NOT become more functional with stimulants.
ADHD is a catchall for a variety of symptomologies that can have different underlying causes. As with major depressive disorder and pretty much all conditions that involve neurochemical imbalances, what works varies a lot from person to person. For many with ADHD, stimulants aren't effective at all.
Thanks Ed.
Well, I suspect meditation as a discipline is probably a safe route to a better life then. Mediation is “mind training” to just be still. I wonder if there’s any research on this approach. I do think CT Scans are probably not very helpful to change behaviors. Meditation like any complex skill can be improved with persistent daily commitments to master the skill.
I definitely have ASD, diagnosed but I only found out about 45 years old. Plus non debilitating but social anxiety.
Look to other people with similar issues and use them as inspiration.
https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/ss/slideshow-celebrities-add-adhd
bipolar (medicated) and white matter disease. might explain my love for calm, relaxing music
Another AD(H)D brain here. Not so much physically hyperactive but rather mentally. Overthinking, overanalysing and spiralling into insecurity and anxiety. Struggling with depression (specially in the evening) and emotional impulsivity.
It’s definitely making a lot of things harder in life but with a few adjustments here and there it gets more bearable. No medication needed (or probably me just trying to avoid being dependent on it).
Working in jobs with ADHD always had been a struggle for me. I always got bored and fed up with tasks after more or less half a year. Once things became less interesting and more "normal" my brain just couldn’t fully focus anymore and my performance slowly faded. With it social pressure and anxiety started to rise. A toxic and depressing combination that got me out of every job in the past.
So far my solution for that has been creative freelance work from home. Paperwork is a struggle though. But having to come up with new ideas everyday really helps to keep my brain going. Also working from home and in my own pace is a big advantage. It might look wonky and inconsistent but it works for me.
Marriage and parenthood is another topic… oh boy I rather stop here before I start a book 😅
In conclusion ADHD definitely is real and not easy to tackle at all. But there’s always hope no matter how hopeless it might feel at times.
I only took up iOS music making as a tool for dealing with depression. It had been decades since I last made any music and I needed something for my brain to concentrate on instead of internal catastrophising. It mostly works to a degree, but if I'm not careful I get past the point of wanting / being able to do anything when I pick the iPad up.
Depression, social anxiety. ADD (not ADHD) from childhood on.
It’s been a struggle for a long time now, and still is. But I’m alive, more or less healthy and intact, so yeah, I’ll try my best to overcome that ****, along with all the rest that life brings with it.
@emjay : for what it’s worth ADD is the old term used for what is now called ADHD. ADHD became the official diagnosis in the late 80’s but ADD stuck around for a long time because for 20+ years people had using the term ADD. Whether people exhibit hyperactivity or not (a large percentage don’t), the diagnosis is still ADHD…as all the variants seem to be related to similar neural processing.
Found this Ted Talk a year or so ago, it helped me define certain aspects of add, adhd, which helped me explain them to others. Super hard for others to understand. It also made me feel like I’m not alone in dealing with it. Cheers!
She also has a YouTube channel called How To ADHD.
Music and making it has helped me my entire life.
bipolar 2, with the tilt towards the depressive side. had worked for many years with a depression diagnosis, medicated accordingly, which didn’t work. given some depression-driven catastrophic episodes. saw an expert diagnostician - whose main gig is a court appointed forensic diagnostic expert witness. (not how i met him, btw)
the new diagnosis, based on very thorough family history, was amazing and obvious in retrospect, has been life changing
i like “neuro-diverse” better than “neuro-atypical”. given that as someone said above, everyone is diverse.
i taught exceptional learners for 20 years, and worked with children with all kinds of diagnoses, some medicated and some not. It was fascinating (and rewarding I’ll have to say)
these students are the coolest people ive met in my entire life, alongside the artists, and musicians ive known
the frameworks (doctor stuff, spiritual stuff, self help stuff) i’ve encountered to explain all this diversity occasionally lines up with my “clinical” on the ground experience. it did in my case. medication. meditation (though not the calm kind, but that’s a different story…)
I was going to say the same thing until I saw your comment.
When I was diagnosed I was told the same thing, and I went for follow up sessions with a therapist who specialized in ADHD coping strategies who talked a lot about how varied the condition is.
One thing that irritates my wife is what she calls “flying by the seat of your pants”, meaning that I don’t leave enough time to finish things, then manage to do them in super fast time as long as I’m not distracted or interrupted. Apparently I am able to hyper focus for extended periods of time because of the condition, but it’s a very unreliable way of getting things done as I have to be left completely alone to be able to apply it.
Needless to say, sometimes I have my failures when I can’t work the way I want to work. The other downside is that I get super stressed when people just won’t leave me alone when I’m trying to do something.
Classic ADHD case here at 70 years old now. Thanks for posting , this is one of the most amazing g threads ever on here .
I have ADHD, PTSD, and OCD (along with anxiety/depression) so my brain is always wilding out lol. iOS music making has actually made me much more productive and creatively fulfilled. Don’t know why, but something about it just clicks with my adhd brain.
Any inter-generational traits?
Yeah. It is so different from what people often think -- and in kids and teens, emotional dysregulation is often the most prominent feature. The most surprising part was learning that it is basically an information processing glitch -- in that the order of messages between the perceptual mechanisms and reacting mechanisms are glitchy. I.e. 'normally' your perceptions go to parts of the brain that analyze the input and pass it off to parts of the brain to act on. But in ADHD sometimes the signals go straight to the 'act on it' parts of the brain. And what happens then depends a lot on how the individual is wired and conditioned. So much variation.
ADHD also causes confused diagnoses if there is something else like depression or anxiety in the mix...it can amplify or change the presentation. (Particularly in kids and teens...severe untreated ADHD coupled with depression can look like bipolar or other mood disorders and result in wrong treatments).
I've realized that I probably have ADHD but was able to manage because it wasn't severe..but over the last few years, it has been harder to manage.
I've never had an ADHD diagnosis, but you just described my life.
Doesn’t it also present differently based on gender?
Wow some great info here. Thanks.
Lol. I don’t mean to laugh but dam that stuff at the end is funny. Red flags if I ever heard them, lol. CT to the soul, tea leaves, INFOMERCIAL. I think the infomercial is the most damning. I bet that pdf is interesting especially since you knew them.
I was first diagnosed at 21 and rediagnosed after full clinical evaluation a few years later. So I've lived with it for about 14 years and probably longer if you count time pre-diagnosis. It's ADHD Primary Inattentive type, so I get distracted and bored but rarely hyperactive. I wouldn't say it's something you necessarily overcome, but it is something you can manage, live with, and sometimes even use to your advantage when a creative solution is useful.
I take medication and have done counseling for most of that time. Tried coming off but I have found I personally do better with meds. In the U.S. and probably quite a few countries, you have the right to request reasonable accommodations at school and work. So for example I took all of my law school exams and the bar exam in a distraction-free room with extended time. Even then, I still ended up in last minute territory on most exams and even worse for writing projects. But I did manage to graduate a little above average and I now have a job that pays decently and has great work-life balance.
One thing I've learned about how this applies to music is that it's best to have my iPad nearby as often as possible for when inspiration strikes. Music is not my job and I rarely have deadlines except when I enter contests or timed projects like the 2 Hour Album Challenge (https://2hac.abstractionmusic.com/) to impose them on myself. Since I don't usually have that time pressure to focus me, it's hard to rely on myself to complete a project that nobody is waiting on and which has no real stakes. But when the distraction from something else leads me to music, I might create an entire Drambo patch or record some new loops. And since starting something is often the biggest hurdle for me, it lets me use that burst of hyper focus to power through and set up something I can work on later even when my energy is lower.
Not a perfect method by any means. I would be fired if I relied on that to do all of my assignments at work, but at work I have the time pressure to focus me instead.
So I doubt I will ever overcome this. I don't even know if I want to. What I want to do is keep managing it and hopefully get even better at tricking my ADHD into helping me more often.
Having the iPad nearby is key for me as well. Using my iPad for music in general just clicks with me and my adhd brain way more than anything else.
OK, I've been past that point for the last 2 weeks or so now. Today feels like the start of the upswing on the depression sine wave (fingers crossed) so wondering if anyone here has any tips for forcing oneself out of that position?
I’m getting told by friends more and more that I probably am, though I did do a personality test the other day as part of a course and many of the idiosyncrasies of the type it slotted me into were similar to those of ADD, I’m definitely not hyperactive, though I’m not one for sitting still listening to lectures, though I can hyper focus on work or music…
Like with all things it’s certainly a spectrum. If it’s impeding on your day to day it may not hurt to get it checked. I gotta go back in to restart my prescription soon.
OCD, Anxiety and Depression, I'm currently taking Zoloft and Depakine. They have helped a lot and I have the added benefit of mental dreams.