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Try to get a medical evaluation done for ADD rather than complete a personality test, as that will give you better results. I struggled my entire life with different things that I fortunately managed to develop coping strategies for, and eventually got diagnosed with ADD at 51.
Things like hyperactivity, hyper focus, etc. are often misunderstood, and depending on an individual’s ADD, dealing with them does not involve a one size fits all solution.
Lectures were always difficult for me, but not knowing I had ADD I coped by listening, reading books and asking others what was just said. Audiobooks and podcasts on the other hand…I just gave up trying as I just find myself totally lost sometimes.
Yes, ADD along with social anxiety and depression (which are not at all uncommon comorbidities).
It has made many things rather difficult throughout my life so far, and a very few easier.. well, maybe. Hard to be sure, really. The upsides are often overblown, particularly in memes / on the socials. And ADD/ADHD is certainly the trendy condition du jour. Was autism prior to that. We’ll see what’s next.
Not sure that I’d say autism or ADHD are conditions du jour. I think what has happened is that as we have understood the science and brain chemistry better, we have found that they are both more common than was previously understood and have a larger spectrum of manifestations.
Autism, in particular, was for many decades misunderstood and only identified in extreme cases. Now, that it is better (but still quite imperfectly) understood, it is identified in a great many people who in earlier times wouldn’t have been identified.
The same is true of ADHD whose manifestations are still often misunderstood and treated as failures of will… particularly when coupled with other neurochemical imbalances.
Unfortunately, most doctors get relatively little training in these and are subject to the same wrong conventional wisdom many of us grew up believing.
@espiegel123 Yes I very much agree with what you have written.
ADHD here, and I don’t feel like it’s a mental illness. I just feel as though it makes me mentally more complicated than “Normal” people. I have to actually try to manage my thought process and have done it all my life. I’m so comfortable with it at this point, that I don’t take meds for it or do anything but meditate using a mindplace Kasina. If you suffer from night time calculating, rundown, overthinking, and non committed thoughts; you may want to give Kasina a try. Best 300.00 I ever spent. If anyone has a Kasina PM me and I will send you the good files for it FREE. Another thing I’ve had success with is Float tanks, that cuts out all the noise of the world…it’s miraculous for me.
Never heard of Kasina. It seems interesting. I do practice awareness and mediation as well as some other things. I spend a long time with an awareness of my body and my breathing patterns.
Medication can be helpful for those who need it, but it isn’t like flipping a switch. I’ve had successful periods off of medication and I have had struggle periods while on medication.
I agree absolutely, no, it’s not a mental illness. Though the current pathological model of medicine does view it that way. It’s a neurological difference. A different nervous system.
Being left handed used to be viewed as evil, wrong, or just plain bad. When I was a kid, the teacher would smack my hand for drawing with my left.
It can be hard for left handers to use right handed tools. So now there are left-handed tools. And now it’s accepted as a what it is: an occasional but not even rare diversion from the majority. Sometimes celebrated or proudly embraced. And accommodated when needed.
I think that eventually ADHD (a misnomer…very poorly named) will eventually have a similar acceptance. Then we can ask “what would help these people function in society the way left-handed tools help the left handers who need it?”
I could probably continue to ramble on, but I’m probably preaching to the choir in this thread.
Kasina has helped me considerably, especially when I can’t get to sleep from racing thoughts…it’s super great here.
Mindplace(dot)com has information, and also a nice forum with many helpful people.
note if you are seizure prone due to strobing lights…Kasina is a no go<—also good to note if you buy it and want family and friends to try it…as it is a bit mind blowing.
You’re not wrong but there is also a lot of what they were saying on social media and there have been more than a decent handful of people who have been caught making up having these disorders just for the online clout and fame. Which sucks. But yes now that we know so much more, people are being diagnosed more often and more easily. That part is great. But the way it’s treated on social media sometimes is not.
One good think about that though, is it has vastly helped to de-stigmatize mental illness and disorders and allows people to speak more openly and safely amongst peers.
It is great that you don’t need meds AND it is important to realize that while many (probably even most) with ADHD can get by without meds, some really do need them… which I would not have said 15 years ago, but I have had experiences during that time that have made me aware that ADHD manifests so differently in different people. For some, coping mechanisms and great coaching are not enough…there are a lot of people that become hopeless or self-pathologize because they need medical help that many others don’t need. When someone with ADHD says “I don’t need meds” they can hear that as “you shouldn’t need meds” rather than “I am fortunate and can get by without them.”
Yes! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I’m not gonna quote everything just said because it’s a lot l…but I absolutely agree. Very excellent points @espiegel123 and @HotStrange
It’s such a big conversation that you cant touch on every aspect in simple paragraph. It’s complicated …and yet progress is being made, although in a wayward and messy way. I’m still glad. And glad we can talk freely.
@MrSmileZ I’m glad that Kasina has helped you. It’s a different journey for everyone to find the things that help. I’m gonna mull over this device for a bit. I’m glad to at least know about it, as I had never heard of it. And knowing is such a big part of finding the tools to help. Thanks.
If you have any use or tech questions the forum at mindplace is informative.
What does “neurodiverse” mean?
It's another way to say "mentally disabled" that sounds more "science-y". 😅
I have ADHD, Autism, depression and anxiety. So I am neurodiverse.
Atypical brain chemistry/structure. The traditional terms for people that are atypical in this way are stigmatizing and gives the sense that they are defective.
There exists a diverse variation in the neurological composition and functioning of human beings. Those who don’t have common configuration of the majority, what might be called normal, are the neurodiverse.
And the polite term for what was commonly mentally disabled, the R word for harsh example, is intellectual disability.
It gets even more asinine. In the academic world, they prefer “person first” language so it would be a person with Autism. Therefore, saying Autistic is a forbidden word in that environment.
But those who are proud and exist with these qualities tend to prefer identity first language, and proudly say Autistic. It’s a complex and heated discussion in some parts of the web.
When I was a teacher, I could never say Autistic out loud, let alone write it down. But I am Autistic. And that’s okay with me.
I prefer to call it "Neurospicy".
Variety is the spice of life! So that makes sense to me! Haha
Neurospicy hmmm okay I’ll take it
I love the term "neurospicy"! Lol. Actually that's a pretty cool term. 😎
@animalelder I am one of those chaps who's proud to have been officially diagnosed with Autism and ADHD. I revel in the fact that I can think differently and find unusual and creative solutions.
I've also met many amazing people over the years, including actor Chris Burke (he played Corky on "Life Goes On"), Sue-Ann Thompson, aka former governor Tommy Thompson's wife where I got to perform at the governor's mansion. I also met our former mayor Tom Barrett when filling in as vocalist for the local Autism awareness "Eric Look Band" back in 2019. Just a snippet nugget of people I've met.
I used to think of my Autism and ADHD as a hindrance back when I was a kid, but I've travelled in many different circles throughout my life and met many amazing people due to being "neurospicy".
I'm definitely not ashamed anymore.
I have ADHD, Austism, OCD, and anxiety myself. Sounds like we’re putting the diverse into neurodiverse 😆
Are these conditions measured with a brain scan, or chemical tests?
Are you being intentionally provocative?
Do you question whether autism, ADHC, OCD, clinical depression, anxiety are the result of neurochemical or structural features of the brain?
I don’t really know, which is why I am asking. I have no intent to deny anyone’s experience. I’ve experienced a lot of different brain states myself. I have heard the term “neurodiverse”, and wondered what the empirical basis for it might be.
I would have thought depression and anxiety are “normal”, given that nearly everyone experiences those states from time to time.
Do you have any difficulities related to your mind? I would say you are neurodiverse, but it usually refers to negative traits (which everybody has) but to degree they become pathological, ie. ruining your life.
Online self-tests are a waste of time. Talk to a doctor if the question bothers you. Everybody has a bit of something, but only around one in ten has it "strong enough" that it becomes debilitating in real life over years. One in three westerners will get something aka. mental illness throughout their lives.
Recently, in many places people have changed their language by using medical diagnoses instead of feelings - "holding that presentation is giving me anxiety" - you feel stressed or "i'm so depressed because my synth just broke" - you are sad, especially the younger generation. Therapy works for roughly one in three, the same with medication and many things are chronic. Combined with the new replication crisis in psychiatric research, it's one of the blankest spots left on the map of our world and I envy those never having to sail this shit-infested, upside-down backwards sea of piss that is mental illness and its treatment.
If you search , you will find lots of information about modern understanding of the neurological basis of these things.
Clinical depression and anxiety are different from being feeling sad or anxious. There is plenty of information to found about this. It can be confusing because depression and anxiety are words that have non-medical meanings and are also used as names for clinical conditions that were named long before it was understood that they are not simply psychological.
Measuring neurotransmitters in one’s brain is currently not practical. So, in any particular case , the diagnosis isn’t 100% definitive. And many different underlying systems can give rise to similar symptomology which is why it is sometimes difficult to find the right treatment.
That definitely sounds like mild Autism. I say this as I've experienced and done this before. Straight As in school (except gym, which was a
, straight As in uni (except Botany, my only flunking grade, because memorising those Greek and Latin terms for plants was a bloody waste of time). I used to be very socially awkward but have practiced over the years, and even though sometimes my idiosyncrasies tend to pop out occasionally, I'm comfortable with who I am and am quite the social creature these days.
I no longer feel the need to mask though nor feel ashamed. My boss is cool with who I am, and not due to legal obligation either.
Anyways, take what I said above about you with a grain of salt mate. Just because I took Psych 101 to make up for the failed Botany class does not mean I'm a licensed professional by any means. If you're curious about yourself (I don't mean it like that @michael_m , yeah I know you by now mate 🤣), definitely book an appointment with a psychologist for an official assessment. Or you don't have to. Up to you mate. 🙂
All mental conditions or “disorders” are officially diagnosed with symptoms of the DSM V, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual Version 5.
There is and has been a ton of research conducted and published out there using scans to reach various hypotheses about the neurodiverse, but it’s all behind paywalls. Im not sure about any chemical measurements. However, a psychologist would simply use symptoms, either observation and family reports, or self-reported information.
Many of the tools are not free, but there is one pretty reliable free questionnaire you can try:
http://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
Here is my result for example
So you could get a good idea of where you stand if you take the survey. But it does require knowing yourself reasonably well. But the community is accepting of those who use self-diagnosis, though there has been controversy about that as well.