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Endlesss - out today + some future plans

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  • What are the best youtube videos out there for a "quick start" tutorial for Endlesss? I'm having a hard time googling them.

  • edited April 2020

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Was not suprised about the subscription comments. Some people that is not something they want to do.
    I 100% would have counted myself in that camp prior to Endlesss. It is however a whole different thing and if people try the infinite free for a couple months there is a chance you will change your mind. It is an app I have used almost daily the last 9months+ and there are no other apps ever that have had the pull for me. YMMV but its free for 2 months so not anything to lose, except there is a strong chance of getting hooked.
    Endlesss brings musical value in a way other apps don’t because of the interaction and collaboration. Because rifffs are bouncing back and forth around the world there are obviously some server costs involved and while I agree for alot of music apps subscriptions don’t make sense in Endlesss I would view it more as paying for a Musical collab service rather than paying month after month for the app itself.

    It is brilliant beautiful fun. I really wish I could import my own stereo loops at high quality though as I fear as is this will only add more stems to my growing pile of stems when what I really want to do is start going through that existing pile and clear out half done projects. I think with import that this could really help in that regard. No need for plotting automation curves etc, just hands on committing and then only coarse level mixing after on desktop would be enough. That workflow could really help cut down the desktop time for me.

  • @johnfromberkeley said:
    What are the best youtube videos out there for a "quick start" tutorial for Endlesss? I'm having a hard time googling them.

    John I did this one, should help a bit

  • @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @johnfromberkeley said:
    What are the best youtube videos out there for a "quick start" tutorial for Endlesss? I'm having a hard time googling them.

    John I did this one, should help a bit

    The RSL legend lives on.

  • It seems like a neat idea, but it definitely needs some work to pay that much for it a month. I have 0 subscriptions currently.

    For free this thing is great. I’ve been having fun with it but no one to jam with. I sent it out to a few people, but they dropped out soon.

    The app is pretty useless for me on a 12.9” iPad that is almost always on a Smart Keyboard in landscape mode. The other problem is I can just use my phone, but my phone doesn’t have a headphone jack. I generally don’t run into headphone jack issues as I pretty much do not use my phone for music including already made produced songs/albums etc. Having adapters all over makes me not want to use my phone.

    No MIDI and no IAA/Audiobus kind of connection means I’d have to do all kinds of tricks to make the app work. IPad output into audio interface into iPhone? Really? It’s no longer quick and fun.

    I’ll definitely be using this though, as it’s pretty neat. I just need to find some people to jam with and also a very easy way to make it not so frustrating with input methods.

  • @DMan said:
    It seems like a neat idea, but it definitely needs some work to pay that much for it a month. I have 0 subscriptions currently.

    For free this thing is great. I’ve been having fun with it but no one to jam with. I sent it out to a few people, but they dropped out soon.

    The app is pretty useless for me on a 12.9” iPad that is almost always on a Smart Keyboard in landscape mode. The other problem is I can just use my phone, but my phone doesn’t have a headphone jack. I generally don’t run into headphone jack issues as I pretty much do not use my phone for music including already made produced songs/albums etc. Having adapters all over makes me not want to use my phone.

    No MIDI and no IAA/Audiobus kind of connection means I’d have to do all kinds of tricks to make the app work. IPad output into audio interface into iPhone? Really? It’s no longer quick and fun.

    I’ll definitely be using this though, as it’s pretty neat. I just need to find some people to jam with and also a very easy way to make it not so frustrating with input methods.

    Yep, you nailed it with regards to the frustrations. Tim E and crew are well aware of the limitations and have communicated that addressing them are high on the roadmap priority list. But who knows with these things... I had put together an elaborate rig with my iPad and iPhone with Ableton LINK to make sure everything stayed in sync back around the holidays. Then I just decided to work within the limitations because it was too much hassle to get everything hooked up all the time. By the time I got set up, the jam was already off on another tangent.

    Once I accepted the limitations and realized the magic was in the "flow" and jamming with other people, I learned how to use the mic input to record odd stuff around the house and manipulate using the excellent sampler and FX (especially the keymasher). I've now become quite fond of sculpting sound out of everything and anything I can find (including acoustic musical instruments). The key to this is just getting comfortable jamming with other folks. It's intimidating at first in the Community Jams but maybe start by just jamming in the Audiobus jam (linked above), which is a very small handful of other jammers right now (and most seem to be relatively new to Endlesss).

  • @onerez said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Think we can get the old AB forums jam going again?

    Let's jam together on Endlesss! Here's an invite to a jam called AB Forum Jam:

    https://endlesss.fm/band/6b7a9cfcf94fb7fe28c471bb19d5320fc3782b6de4d63bc569dd902c333c8f51/join

    So I’m an idiot. Where is the latest Jam in there. I am seeing stuff from December?

    I see you in there so you found it! :smile:

  • Been enjoying the beta, but no subscription here either. Good luck!

  • edited April 2020

    @lukesleepwalker - your explanation of your workflow was helpful.

    The only way to get sounds into the sampler is to resample a riff, yes? Once you've sampled something using the mic, it doesn't seem that you can automatically load that sample on to pads in the sampler, but instead have to resample.

    Any way to edit, trim, or import samples? Assuming the answer is no, any tricks you have for getting a sample of a reliable length? Tried punch in mode, which seems better for one shots. But to my ear it sounded like there was still space at the beginning of the sample.

  • @ecamburn said:
    @lukesleepwalker - your explanation of your workflow was helpful.

    The only way to get sounds into the sampler is to resample a riff, yes? Once you've sampled something using the mic, it doesn't seem that you can automatically load that sample on to pads in the sampler, but instead have to resample.

    Any way to edit, trim, or import samples? Assuming the answer is no, any tricks you have for getting a sample of a reliable length? Tried punch in mode, which seems better for one shots. But to my ear it sounded like there was still space at the beginning of the sample.

    Yah it is more of a “sampler” than a ‘sampler’.

  • I kind of like the old school vibe of the workflow. All audio based. Printing effects to audio via multiple takes. Sampling and resampling. But it could use a few more sophisticated touches.

  • @ecamburn said:
    I kind of like the old school vibe of the workflow. All audio based. Printing effects to audio via multiple takes. Sampling and resampling. But it could use a few more sophisticated touches.

    Yah the multiple fx takes is the brilliant part I have tried to now mimick with other things I have laying around (loopers, hardware fx etc) but alas to no avail. This just needs high quality stereo audio source support (import, record, whatever).

  • @AudioGus said:

    @ecamburn said:
    @lukesleepwalker - your explanation of your workflow was helpful.

    The only way to get sounds into the sampler is to resample a riff, yes? Once you've sampled something using the mic, it doesn't seem that you can automatically load that sample on to pads in the sampler, but instead have to resample.

    Any way to edit, trim, or import samples? Assuming the answer is no, any tricks you have for getting a sample of a reliable length? Tried punch in mode, which seems better for one shots. But to my ear it sounded like there was still space at the beginning of the sample.

    Yah it is more of a “sampler” than a ‘sampler’.

    What he said. The sampler takes a bit of practice to master (and even after that it can be infuriating). I've gotten pretty good at predicting how the sampler will react--you have to get good with that red record button--but it has been oft requested that they include a control for setting at least the start point on a sample. But yeah, it's old school print audio to tape and resample... Which is liberating in a way and absolutely contributes to the "don't fuss with it, just get in the flow" vibe.

  • Does anyone know if Audiobus compatibility is something that they are going to consider? I would love to be able to pipe some of my iPad's soft synths using Endless' audio input mode.

    Re: subscription mode. What it means in the context of this app is different from apps where subscription mode is kind of ongoing rental of something static that you bought and use on your own.

    The subscription, here, is payment for an ongoing service that has ongoing costs associated with it. As long as I am enjoying, these jams, less than $5 a month seems a reasonable price for the service. If I find myself not jamming, I'll unsubscribe.

    Seriously, give it a try. It is free for almost two months. Unsubscribe before you get charged if you aren't getting $5/month of fun out of it.

  • Re. subscriptions: I agree that this falls in the class of apps where a subscription makes sense, even though I am subscription adverse. (I can hold both ideas in my head at the same time.)

    One idea that might make this more palatable would be to implement a token system, where users buy "usage credits" via IAP, or directly via your site. These credits can auto-renew as a convenience, of course, but the renewal-adverse can simply prepay a few credits at a time. Because you already establish a separate account, I think the credits could be handled on your site if that was easier.

    One example: http://www.geneticaffairs.com/prices.html

  • You can jam for free endlesssly.

    No need to subscribe, it’s just an option.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Unfortunately for me portrait only meant I dropped out of the beta, so I didn’t really get a chance with it. I can see this being best for iPhone use.

    I fire up my iPad for Endlesss every once in a while, but it's true that I use it on my iPhone probably 90% of the time. One big benefit of the iPhone is that it's pretty easy to get it well situated to record using the Microphone input. And while the resulting audio tracks aren't stellar, they are very usable (especially with FX tweaks in Endlesss). I bet most casual listeners wouldn't know the difference between a microphone recording from my pro-level condenser mic vs my iPhone internal microphone.

    Yeah I’m mainly studio based with a 12.9 ipad, virtually zero iPhone use for music...I can see this being more fun when on the go etc :)

  • @steve99 said:
    Can anyone help me with deleting layers? I want to start a new jam with a clean slate, I seem to be able to delete riffs, but 8 existing layers are still there in the mixer - how do I make them go away (or perhaps selectively preserve individual layers)?

    Psychologically I find it troublesome starting a new jam with all the debris of the last one still lying around, am I missing something obvious? Thanks for any advice, liking the sounds and the looping.

    Go to where you can play an instrument. Click the button in the upper right that is a couple of vertical bars. There, you can see the loops running at the bottom. Click them to stop them.

  • Anyone else finding it takes a couple minutes for the app to load?

  • I haven’t worked out how to use the sampler at all, I tried various things and all failed so I assumed it needed some kind of line in and gave up.

  • Ooooohhhh, I get it now.

  • @drcongo said:
    I haven’t worked out how to use the sampler at all, I tried various things and all failed so I assumed it needed some kind of line in and gave up.

    I haven’t tried it but it looks like you should just be able to record by going to the sampler and hitting the record button toward the bottom. Just make sure the app is approved to use your mic.

  • @YourJunk said:

    @drcongo said:
    I haven’t worked out how to use the sampler at all, I tried various things and all failed so I assumed it needed some kind of line in and gave up.

    I haven’t tried it but it looks like you should just be able to record by going to the sampler and hitting the record button toward the bottom. Just make sure the app is approved to use your mic.

    The bit that I hadn’t twigged was that you need to arm one or more of the little pulsing circles next to the record button.

  • @YourJunk said:
    Anyone else finding it takes a couple minutes for the app to load?

    It's taking a lot longer to log in than it did during the beta. I assume this is due to the load they are experiencing with launch.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @YourJunk said:
    Anyone else finding it takes a couple minutes for the app to load?

    It's taking a lot longer to log in than it did during the beta. I assume this is due to the load they are experiencing with launch.

    Okay cool. Means it will hopefully settle down.

  • @drcongo said:

    @YourJunk said:

    @drcongo said:
    I haven’t worked out how to use the sampler at all, I tried various things and all failed so I assumed it needed some kind of line in and gave up.

    I haven’t tried it but it looks like you should just be able to record by going to the sampler and hitting the record button toward the bottom. Just make sure the app is approved to use your mic.

    The bit that I hadn’t twigged was that you need to arm one or more of the little pulsing circles next to the record button.

    Yep, you've got it. And then get good at arming the red button at the right time as there's no way currently to reset the sample start point--or even see the sample waveform.

    I was stumped forever as to why I couldn't sample directly in via the microphone. Just doesn't work. You have to record the microphone to a loop and then sample it.

  • @YourJunk said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @YourJunk said:
    Anyone else finding it takes a couple minutes for the app to load?

    It's taking a lot longer to log in than it did during the beta. I assume this is due to the load they are experiencing with launch.

    Okay cool. Means it will hopefully settle down.

    Fingers crossed!

  • @BlueGreenSpiral said:
    You can jam for free endlesssly.

    No need to subscribe, it’s just an option.

    Understood!

    However, Endlesss would like to recoup costs and make a profit, I suppose, so I'm suggesting ways to accomplish that in this subscription-adverse world.

  • edited April 2020

    The limitations do lead to some interesting musical results though. There was a riff in the AB forum jam last night that was some weird number of bars (like 7). It was really f-ing me up. I ended up just watching the cursor on the loop view go by and basing my timing on that. Sort of like watching the guitar players eyes. :)

  • Just tried it; added some percussion to the AB jam. How do you export the stems? Is that a paid feature?

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