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I can pretty much guarantee that the exact opposite true. Whether it's accurate is another story. But a LOT of thought went into that phrase.
For everyone saying the the ui won’t work, that’s not true.
Look at the MacBook Air 11, I’m able to run logic on it and have no issues with the interface.
I fully believe Apple may have been working on this for a while now.
iPadOS 13 is definitely no good but maybe 14 is better and that’s why they feel its better to release on 14.
Feel sorry for those with older iPads though or iPads which ain’t pro in case Apple decides to them only run on iPad Pro.
Plus I think, the interface would be very similar to Cubasis (or GarageBand on desktop).
I don’t personally think it would kill small daw devs, just like on Mac and pc, people have different choices.
Plus if this ever drops and is very close to Mac version, it might make steinberg add more Essential features to Cubasis and also bring in other developers.
In regards to pricing, I think it might be around £50 to £100 or more, who knows.
unfortunately I think iPadOS will defer gradually from iOS and we will see less music apps for iPhones.i don’t think they will make logic for the iPhone, I think Apple is trying to make iPadOS more similar to macOS.
Let’s just hope for the best.
I think the point here is about the touch interface, not the screen size
There are many touch screen drivers/ monitors which people have been using for years to work with logic.
The touch screen won’t definitely be an issue if Apple wanted to port Logic.😊
If this happens I’m beyond happy
I’ll bet the farm they’ll make it so that you’ll need the new keyboard and the track pad to work it fully.
🤣🤣🤣 probably. Or maybe just the ipad pros from 2018.
I still think heat dissipation and the UI are major hurdles. The heat problem is self explanatory. If Gadget can make some of our iPads feel as hot as coffee warmers then a full fledged, no compromise port of a professional class DAW like Logic is going to be a huge concern. Unless there’s caveats going in like you can’t use any type of case, folio or keyboard case as it will just insulate heat, and there has to be mandatory cool down breaks when a certain temperature threshold is passed.
The UI concern is that even on the big 12” iPad there will be buttons like little editing tools menu items, etc. on the toolbar, channel strips & editing window that are too small on screen to reliably press with one finger. Unless there’s a “tap to zoom” element in the interface I just think a direct port of a DAW that was made for Keyboard/Mouse is going to be very awkward for touch users.
Now of course the user could just use a keyboard and mouse with their iPad or Apple can create some sort of “touchscreen interface” variant that makes using Logic more user friendly; which means third party devs would have to patch existing plugins and start creating AU/Logic keyboard/mouse versions AND AU/Logic app “touch optimized” versions.
And to me that begs the question “Why bother anyway” if bringing Logic to iOS is tantamount to making an iOS DAW from scratch?
Because it draws a new audience to their product. Musicians who use Logic on their Mac will get an iPad for the multi screen share, and having a portable device on the go.
Apple stands to make a killing from the sold iPads and the customers who would buy into their future computer.
And we're not talking just 1 iPad. How many Apple devices do you currently have at home? Which one is more...the iPads or the Macs? Chances of people buying the next iPad after 2years is much higher. Screen repair, Apple care, accessories, lost/stolen chances, etc...
Since Apple has Tim Cook as CEO the vision is not as clear as before except that the company goes where the money is.
Since a year we see Apple more and service company, Apple TV on Samsung TV is a strong sign.
That means that software is more important than software. That’s maybe be Apple finally had a mouse to iPad and maybe a touch screen to Mac.
As a service company it has sense to make their software available everywhere.
So I believe logic, final cut Motion certainly happen on iOS.
Maybe a different version and a new interface like they done with pages, keynote , numbers.
We’ll see...
Logic on iPad plays out something like this...
Why should I buy any other DAW, look what Logic can do, No DAW developers on iOS.
Why should I buy XYZ plugin, Logic already has a plugin that does that (Yes it does, go check) NO plugin developers on iOS.
This holds true for all but the most hardcore developers who will just push on anyway and live off the dwindled tiny plugin collector market (This forums users)
It is already a tiny market, Logic will make it even smaller.
Would people switch to Logic from their current DAW, well considering that the current most used audio software on iPad is Garageband, it is pretty obvious that those users would.
Beatmaker users fed up with no updates, is it much of a stretch to think they would switch.
NS2 users not getting basic features for a long time now, not much of a stretch either.
That is just three of the popular DAWs, established or no, the grass is greener etc, and honestly in this case, the grass is actually greener, Logic has no equal on iOS (Depending on UX design for touch etc)
All that said, it isn't coming and never will, and I will bet good money on that with anybody, updating an entirely mouse/keyboard driven UI to touch, of such a complex piece of software is way more daunting than porting to ARM, which I would assume has taken them a lot of years as it is.
Much more likely is some kind of Mainstage type thing that allows you to use the iPad as a sound module, and probably 'Cells' on to desktop Logic.
For the record heat dissipation, throttling, not enough RAM etc are all nonsense concerns, Logic Studio 2 runs full compositions absolutely no problem on a 2008 24" iMac, that simply put is a complete powerless chug fest compared to my Air2, resources are no issue for Logic on modern iPad (that same package actually ran on a G5 that had less power than an iPhone 4 and seemingly had a main purpose of heating your room)
But again, I will take anybodies bet that this is never going to happen (and would enjoy being wrong)
I actually export stems from logic to mix in Auria, comfortably in my couch or bed with a good pair of cans. I must say I’d be happier if the headline was “Melodyne will have an iOS version soon”.
Exactly Dmitri...a professional tuning plug like Melodyne is the final step in the formats evolution to a true professional music production tool.
Sam I totally agree the addition of an iPad Logic DAW would indeed draw in new users & sell some iPad Pros. But if it can’t be logistically pulled off and realized without attention to the heat dissipation issue and just how gimped the UI will have to be that will not come to pass.
For an example, save and open this screenshot from a Logic session in your photos app and look at it in landscape fit-to-screen. I have an Air 3 and pretty small fingers but I’m not sure I could reliably press those solo/mute buttons in the edit window with any great precision.
Maybe the 12” Pro would help but that’s where we get into my point: if you have to use the biggest iPad screen, possibly mouse & keyboard or rely on the Pencil to do all touch operation (a product that has not blown up like Apple wanted) and then be told to not put the iPad in a case while operating the app, etc. it just starts to get too sticky, like “Why really bother with this when I have Cubasis, Auria, etc.?”
Yes new users unaware of all of these variables might jump aboard because it is “WOW man! Logic on iPad!” But will the current iOS music production community? Especially since they’re the group of users that will know/figure out most of what I’m concerned about?
I don’t know, it’s only my opinion you know?
Most people will jump to logic.
Like @Turntablist said, if NNS2 doesn’t bring Audio tracks, if beatmaker 3 fails to bring updates, If Cubasis doesn’t bring tempo changes, Sidechain and real fx tracks, If Zenbeats doesn’t offer a real playhead you can move freely and better options to edit audio on timeline.
Now imagine Logic Pro brings to the table all of these in One, imagine if they bring most of the things missing in just one App, instead of us having to use multiple apps for simple things, lots of users from the community would jump in..
I also feel it would bring competition to the dev community which would push them to create better versions of their Apps.
Not me.
I can already do what I want with the DAWs I have. I doubt I’m the only one.
I guess I’m not being clear in my posts: Right now, Spring 2020, there are still too many unanswered technical issues for an iPad Logic version to ever be on the market.
I’m not an electrical engineer or a computer engineer/developer but I know enough & have access to friends & professionals who I’ve discussed this topic with several times, as early as 2015 when I first started using iOS for music (my pipe dream then was iPads switching to MacOS so the desktop versions of ProTools and/or Logic could be used).
The processing power & RAM capabilities required to run the full Logic code exists now within the new iPads. It’s the throttling, bottlenecks & temperature issues that is the problem. I also feel there’d be UI issues with the desktop version with its packed real estate necessitating another input method than just touch screen (mouse & keyboard, etc).
If there’s new information on THOSE subjects sincerely let me know. I want a full DAW on iOS too so I can use third party plugins , etc...I’m not fighting it or wishing it away. I’m just concerned it can’t happen at this junction.
If people are running Auria, NS2, or AUM sessions at 70% of CPU for extended lengths of time, why can't that be done with Logic? Why would Logic need more power than Auria running 30 plugins for example?
Users are running Lumafusion and doing HD video editing on iPads. If Logic could run on a 2005 MacBook, why can't it run on an iPad?
Do you think this will be similar in some way to Adobe bringing Photoshop to iPad? Affinity has created quite a followers in the iOS community and I hope they are doing OK even with Photoshop here. I'm not up-to-date on the moving-picture side but I'd imagine Lumafusion has done the same for iOS side. I think if Logic is ported to iOS, it may not be an exact duplicate of the Mac version functionwise and there will be room for other developers to prosper.
I guess people said the same before LumaFusion. And now they can edit, stabilise and colour grade their 4K footage in real-time on an iPad (even on older ones).
I’m wondering why people see this major difference between recent iOS DAWs and Logic. In the end Logic is just more packed with features, fx and sample instruments. But the engine is probably the same like the GarageBand for iOS engine.
Of course Logic will have to have a new interface. I never expected Apple to copy the desktop Logic X Interface 1 by 1 to iOS.
But there also is a great foundation in GarageBand for iOS. They just have to build on top of it change some things and add add add...
Oh well.. but we surely will never see Logic on iOS because it’s impossible.
And the iPad is only a good secondary device. Bulky non touchscreen devices will always and forever be the real deal 😋
(sorry for my sarcasm)
If Apple is not catching up now and investing into future technology they will be left behind.
And I don’t consider the iPad as future technology. It’s recent technology that still needs to be utilised better.
Yes pretty sure that will be the case. We will get a “basic” logic version for iOS and see more crucial features being added in the future.
Oh and I expect a lot of hate after the release. The desktop crowds will say it’s a toy because feature x and y is missing (just like after the release of Final Cut X), that Apple is neglecting the creatives and so on.... but it will catch up and people find ways to use the “basic” logic for major projects.
Ok enough predictions from my side. Let’s wait and see
Judging by what Apple have done in the past, I think the most likely scenario (if they decide to make Logic for iOS) is that there will be a completely new, universal version of Logic for Intel Mac, iOS and ARM Macs. This is what they did when they made the iWork suite for iOS; The Mac versions were re-written from scratch alongside the iOS versions to be fully compatible. They were not technically universal but they were as close as to make no difference to the user.
They also have a history of starting over with their Pro apps (or just killing them off, such as Aperture) like they did with Final Cut Pro X.
Logic Pro X was released in 2013. There have been no real updates to GarageBand on Mac or iOS for a long time. Well known audio plug-in developers such as Eventide have recently started releasing auv3s for iOS despite there not really being a DAW that can compete with desktop yet.
Something must be afoot... I just hope that they don't do to Logic what they did to Aperture and release a new universal GarageBand instead and let Logic Pro X rot.
Agreed the 'Photos.app' on macOS that kinda was supposed to 'replaced' Aperture is lacking when it comes to library management and there's now way to adjust the preview size keeping the library file smaller.(ie. each 'preview' is a full-size render of the source file, In Aperture it was possible to set the preview size).
Regarding iOS GarageBand at least bi-directional file compatibility with the Mac version of GarageBand & Logic Pro X would be nice. This way I could create some custom instruments on Logic Pro X on the Mac and use them on the iPad since they already share the same architecture under the hood, Alchemy, ES2, ESX24, UltraBeat etc.
I'm also looking forward to the next Logic Pro X update that is supposed to bring clip-launching/live-loops to the Mac version.
(This way the Logic Remote app on the iPad could be used for clip-launching as an example).
Time will tell what happens...
I think Logic Pro X is far more important than Aperture, which lost to Lightroom, so I’m hopeful that it will survive. I expect it to. But I think a start over is likely. Handing the market to Lighteoom was a really bad move though. I hope affinity or the pixelmator people release a library type photo management app. I’m never going to subscribe to Adobe. I’ll have to make do with photos if nothing better comes up when I finally make the move to Catalina.
On the Mac from the rumours are that the A14 that Apple are looking to put in Macs will be significantly more powerful than in the iPhone. Which makes sense as they can use more cores and worry less about power management, but this bodes really well. The A13 is already ridiculously powerful compared to Intel’s laptop chips.
WWDC has the potential to be huge for the Mac. If there are ARM macs coming next year then they will have to announce it at WWDC just as they did for the Intel transition to give developers time to prepare. Again.
Well I would be surprised if Apple is developing their desktop pro apps from scratch as well. Developing iOS pro apps plus new desktop apps would be double the effort.
I rather can imagine that they make use of catalyst and develop their pro apps for iOS that come close to the recent desktop apps with touch screen in mind but also keyboard/mouse support. Just like Bitwig:
But knowing about the Logic desktop live loops leaks is a bit confusing. So it seems they keep developing the normal desktop logic and have a separate iOS logic then in the future. Unless they slowly keep matching both versions until it's one ARM ready version. Well it is confusing 😄
Super hopeful for this. None of the iOS DAWs really satisfy me.
Maybe its more related to such rumors.
I would like to see a really powerful ARM machine.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/23/12-core-arm-macs-2021-report/
I’ve been using logic pretty much full time on my Mac for about a year more or less, and I like the workflow a lot of starting something on phone or ipad in garageband and then being able to continue in logic, as well as adding to something in gb that then syncs back.
Maybe it’s because I’m not on the go as much anymore, but I am doing better with getting work done by committing to sit studio space on logic rather than doing things on the go. Since I got my apollo x8, I can’t really mix away from it anymore because the uad plugins are great but I can’t use them without the apollo connected. On occasion I’ll put it in a portable rack when I need to work on something somewhere else.
Then it’s nice (for me) to have the option to once in a while do something on ios in a different spot.
I do realize that there are many more here who prefer to work all ios (I did at one time), and so that is a different situation and I can see why you’d want logic. I’m not likely to get an ipad pro at any point, I only see myself getting an expensive ipad if it has a full file manager and more connectivity (namely working with something like uad), so for me my 2018 ipad is doing everything I want now. And with IDAM, it’s not hard to integrate it with logic when needed.
I dunno. Lots of us thought the same when Logic dropped to $199 but it seems most desktop DAW makers are still doing OK.