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Poll: Who Should Make the Next Groovebox

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  • @purpan2 said:

    Skram is the Boris Johnson of music apps: scruffy, engaging, wacky, promises a lot but disappears when it has to interact with the real world.

    Great wit fella ;-D

  • "To buy books would be a good thing if we also could buy the time to read them." Arthur Schopenhauer

    Applies perfectly to apps me thinks!

  • edited May 2020

    @elf_audio this dev Elf Audio -dev for Koala Sampler would for sure make a hard to beat groovebox,

  • Only Igor Vasiliev.
    Today, only Igor can do a groovebox, which I’ll buy without hesitation.

  • edited May 2020

    me wish for sampling groove box with TC-11 UI, please Bitshape make this?

  • @Carnbot said:
    Drambo is cooking up to be the best Groovebox. As soon as it gets multi out and midi mapping it will be hard to beat. :)

    Absolutely no chance, the sign of a great groovebox is turn it on and make some music, not turn it on, actually make the groovebox, realise that you need to spend a couple of years learning/getting your groovebox to a level that even compares to the ridiculously outdated original groovebox (MC303) and then finding that ten other developers have actually made grooveboxes natively that are radically better than yours anyway.

    Yes I see the appeal of Drambo, even with the absolutely ridiculous feature creep that ended up making a bunch of its User Interface a hindrance rather than a help (Erm, nodal design for modular please, we have this new thing called the 21st century)
    But it is not the one bullet kills all audio software that this forum seems to think it is, it has been done before and better (Reaktor/Synthedit/Synthmaker) just not on iOS.

  • @Turntablist said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Drambo is cooking up to be the best Groovebox. As soon as it gets multi out and midi mapping it will be hard to beat. :)

    Absolutely no chance, the sign of a great groovebox is turn it on and make some music, not turn it on, actually make the groovebox, realise that you need to spend a couple of years learning/getting your groovebox to a level that even compares to the ridiculously outdated original groovebox (MC303) and then finding that ten other developers have actually made grooveboxes natively that are radically better than yours anyway.

    Yes I see the appeal of Drambo, even with the absolutely ridiculous feature creep that ended up making a bunch of its User Interface a hindrance rather than a help (Erm, nodal design for modular please, we have this new thing called the 21st century)
    But it is not the one bullet kills all audio software that this forum seems to think it is, it has been done before and better (Reaktor/Synthedit/Synthmaker) just not on iOS.

    It’s definitely the best groovebox for me on this platform. Ymmv. The way you can integrate it with other apps as an AU means you can build a workflow around it. For me no other GBs on iOS gets close to this. Of course you can’t compare it to Reaktor, but that’s not on this platform and probably never will be.

  • @senhorlampada said:
    I ran Genome Midi Sequencer this morning, set a Bass, Lead, Pad and Drums channels, used the internal synth and drum synth, dropped some patterns, automated some stuff. You know what? I may end up choosing Xequence as midi sequencer nowadays, but Genome can still be used, but as a Groovebox! Really fast workflow, and it's good for live usage because of pattern launch

    Absolutely! Genome for live pattern launching in sync with MIDI hardware plus the internal sound generators are really cool.
    I still love it for the super-fast piano roll and sequence editing with MIDI support.

  • @rs2000 said:
    @DukeWonder Any reason why you would favor a certain developer instead of a certain concept or design?

    I agree with the comments about Groove Rider and Drambo, you could already spend a lifetime with these and still find new uses.
    Or rather sit and wait for the next app to be released 😴😉

    What a pity we can't do both and something else too.

  • edited May 2020

    Aren’t Audiobus and AUM and all your favourite apps already the ultimate grooveboxes?...A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush...

  • @baudious said:
    Aren’t Audiobus and AUM and all your favourite apps already the ultimate grooveboxes?...A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush...

    It's more like a table with mixer(s), synths and drum machines, but yeah... you got a point :lol:

  • Stumbled on my Shelved SB Egoist and was wowed...

  • Ya that is pfc...

  • @Turntablist said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Drambo is cooking up to be the best Groovebox. As soon as it gets multi out and midi mapping it will be hard to beat. :)

    Absolutely no chance, the sign of a great groovebox is turn it on and make some music, not turn it on, actually make the groovebox, realise that you need to spend a couple of years learning/getting your groovebox to a level that even compares to the ridiculously outdated original groovebox (MC303) and then finding that ten other developers have actually made grooveboxes natively that are radically better than yours anyway.

    This.

    Comparing Drambo to a groovebox is like comparing a modular synth workstation to a Pocket Operator.

  • @brambos check out those results B) ;)

  • wimwim
    edited May 2020

    You mean the results that may indicate that less than half of the already tiny apps market is interested in another such product? ;)

    Flattering to be the favorite, but not encouraging toward the idea of developing one.

  • @Turntablist said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Drambo is cooking up to be the best Groovebox. As soon as it gets multi out and midi mapping it will be hard to beat. :)

    Absolutely no chance, the sign of a great groovebox is turn it on and make some music, not turn it on, actually make the groovebox, realise that you need to spend a couple of years learning/getting your groovebox to a level that even compares to the ridiculously outdated original groovebox (MC303) and then finding that ten other developers have actually made grooveboxes natively that are radically better than yours anyway.

    Yes I see the appeal of Drambo, even with the absolutely ridiculous feature creep that ended up making a bunch of its User Interface a hindrance rather than a help (Erm, nodal design for modular please, we have this new thing called the 21st century)
    But it is not the one bullet kills all audio software that this forum seems to think it is, it has been done before and better (Reaktor/Synthedit/Synthmaker) just not on iOS.

    There's no right or wrong and no better or worse when it comes to personal preferences.
    Sometimes it's just the way of how to use an app that makes a big difference.

    Opening Drambo and starting to build your dream groovebox is a nightmare for somebody who just wants to jam right away. Fully agreed.

    Loading a groovebox template in Drambo that does everything you want from a groovebox so you can start jamming is really something different though.
    I'm not sure if something like this already exists (although a first few creations have appeared on patchstorage) but sooner or later you'll have it.
    Samplers with your favorite instruments loaded, Slicers with your favorite loops pre-sliced, your go-to bass and lead synths, your favorite sampled or synthesized or modeled drum kits, all is a matter of setting it up once and using it easily and regularly, with the option of changing little details at spots no other app (except miRack) will allow you to do so.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @Turntablist said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Drambo is cooking up to be the best Groovebox. As soon as it gets multi out and midi mapping it will be hard to beat. :)

    Absolutely no chance, the sign of a great groovebox is turn it on and make some music, not turn it on, actually make the groovebox, realise that you need to spend a couple of years learning/getting your groovebox to a level that even compares to the ridiculously outdated original groovebox (MC303) and then finding that ten other developers have actually made grooveboxes natively that are radically better than yours anyway.

    Yes I see the appeal of Drambo, even with the absolutely ridiculous feature creep that ended up making a bunch of its User Interface a hindrance rather than a help (Erm, nodal design for modular please, we have this new thing called the 21st century)
    But it is not the one bullet kills all audio software that this forum seems to think it is, it has been done before and better (Reaktor/Synthedit/Synthmaker) just not on iOS.

    There's no right or wrong and no better or worse when it comes to personal preferences.
    Sometimes it's just the way of how to use an app that makes a big difference.

    Opening Drambo and starting to build your dream groovebox is a nightmare for somebody who just wants to jam right away. Fully agreed.

    Loading a groovebox template in Drambo that does everything you want from a groovebox so you can start jamming is really something different though.
    I'm not sure if something like this already exists (although a first few creations have appeared on patchstorage) but sooner or later you'll have it.
    Samplers with your favorite instruments loaded, Slicers with your favorite loops pre-sliced, your go-to bass and lead synths, your favorite sampled or synthesized or modeled drum kits, all is a matter of setting it up once and using it easily and regularly, with the option of changing little details at spots no other app (except miRack) will allow you to do so.

    @Turntablist has a valid point though. Drambo isn't a a groove box as shipped (wanted to say "out of the box"). It's a kit to build a groove box. Which is fabulous IMO.

    Drambo isn't going to make someone looking to flip a groove box on and start making killa beatz happy. It isn't going to make a full-on modular geek super happy either. It's its own thing.

    As one smack-dab in its target audience, I'm totally good with that. B) But I can see how it might bug people who want something to be clearly one thing or the other, or all things to everyone.

  • there is lots of room for more Grooveboxes... nobody has emulated elektron, Ableton, mpcs, sufficiently yet

  • Yeah I can see it's frustrating for people who want to plug and play, but those kind of apps and software usually have a short shelf life, with me anyway. Drambo is the kind of app which rewards time spent making your own workflow with it and I'm happiest with those kind of apps on both desktop and iOS. Also why I gravitate to hosts like AUM. :)

  • I wish Ableton would dip their toes in with something.

  • no contest. Drambo ffs.

  • You can totally use Drambo as a Groovebox. That's my primary use case. Use it as a sequencer for patterns on tracks in AUM. 4 Synths + 4 Drum Tracks = Groovebox.

    Circuit is 2 Synths and 4 Drums tracks btw.

  • edited May 2020

    @kobamoto said:
    there is lots of room for more Grooveboxes... nobody has emulated elektron, Ableton, mpcs, sufficiently yet

    None will ever be. Everything will have flaws and nothing will be perfect. Those hardware have their limitations, quirks, bugs too. iOS lacks physical control without midi controllers, so nothing will ever match hardware either, because it's doomed to comparison. 🙂

  • maybe but if Bitshape made a Grooveboxes like that, there would be just a little bit less sadness in the world

  • There are at least too many MPC attempts on iOS already :lol:

  • You know what would be cool? Something like Pure Acid but for trap. Replace the acid bass with something like AudioKit’s bass 808 and have the drums be more oriented for the genre.

  • edited May 2020

    while we are talking sequencers that are groove box like... don’t forget senode 😎
    it’s still amazing and lets you have a bunch of sequences visible and editable from one screen.
    i especially love it for arps, it lets you add in a bit of random by letting you create different paths to follow in each sequence, and every time it runs thru the same sequence, it can repeat something a few times then go a different way down the path and hit some different notes. this is great on bass and pads too o cuz the speed is controlled per step .
    i’ve been using it all morning and having a great time.. it’s like a groove box in aum with all your patterns right there to start/stop and edit with no diving around a bunch of menus

  • We need ice gear to bring back xenon

  • edited May 2021

    We don't need grooveboxes. I have tried some. It's a short-term gratification, more or less a playground. Thats why i have a MC303 gathering dust on the attic.
    AUM is my groove box

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