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without wishing to poke a stick at a bag of bees,
there was something that caught my attention, that seems integral to the narrative, yet i have not seen much reported ...
way down near the bottom of this article...
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/minneapolis-death-george-floyd-protests-escalate-police-precinct-fire/5279830002/
apparently they worked security at the same bar ... el neuvo rodeo
which was destroyed due to damage from this ...
https://www.startribune.com/let-my-building-burn-minneapolis-restaurant-owner-responds-to-protests-and-violence/570865902/
has anyone heard anymore about this?
@MonzoPro I vote. I vote in primaries and general elections. Sanders wasn’t the messiah, but he got my vote knowing he didn’t have a chance. Living where I do, I have the luxury of voting third party candidates for president. These trumptards will be the last state to vote against the orange emperor.
I live here. Seriously.
It's not really the same situation in the South of the US. I don't live quite so far south (I'm in South Carolina), but it's somewhat similar here. People here willingly vote for the conservative candidates in the South and are willing to ignore them mocking the disabled, advocating violence against women, etc.
One of the underlying reasons that there is a core of Republican voters in the southern states is that conservatism and a call to return to "traditional values" appeals to many voters. One reason being that there is a large proportion of religious fundamentalism in the South, and another is the very real segregation that exists because the black population of the South is mostly living in poverty. The South (in my experience) still fears a complete end to segregation, and many people are easily manipulated into voting Republican with scare tactics about their opponents.
@michael_m Very well put. I think my emotions are getting a little ahead of me on this topic. I’ll step back for a bit.
Just for reference, I lived in NH before moving here, and grew up in England - it felt like culture shock moving here. I have been shocked by some of the ignorant and bigoted things that people have said to me down here, thinking that I would have the same point of view as them. I won't go into details, but I'm sure you can image the kind of things I mean.
I used to think that the 'All Lives Matter' people had a point a while back, but I've changed my views on this and think that Black Lives Matter is a very important message to campaign for. I think the looting has been awful and that some people are just using this crisis to further their own aims (as usual), but in general the protests have been a super-positive thing and the police response has, in the main, been appalling. As has the response of the racist agitator-in-chief at the top, who is now trying to use BLM as a recruitment sergeant for his awful base support. I just wouldn't want those idiots to vote for me and I wouldn't care if I was kicked out of office as a result. When you have to resort to knuckleheads to get elected, you should really look at yourself in the mirror and ask if it's worth it.
I think that all lives matter, but I don't think it needs to be said out loud in the way that Black Lives Matter does. If we didn't have the disproportionate number of black people being killed by police then there would be no point in making the color distinction in the first place.
Citizens being unlawfully killed by the police is one issue, and the disproportionate targeting of black citizens is another. Both are issues that need to be resolved.
Ah fuck, I knew I shouldn’t have posted this thread. No disrespect to you guys, you’re all cool in my book.
The division in this world (not talking about people’s opposing opinions) is extremely nauseating. Sometimes I believe we’re just pawns in some sadistic experiment.
I posted this originally to see if musicians in this community are doing this as well. People make fun of the IG black posts. I used it as a moment of silence for the man and the people that were unjustifiably murdered by police or the us government.
Back to making noise
I hope you all can find peace within yourselves. Good luck, and please serve your fellow man. i sincerely mean this. I have learned a lot form this forum! Thank you for that.
I'm not American nor do I live in America
and we have our problems also.
Which country doesn't?
Still from here on the other side of the pond I'm appalled at ,'both', sides.
Black Lives do matter, All lives matter, more importantly, 'All life matters',
regardless if that person is white, black or whatever colour.
The person of authority namely the police officer abused
his power and killed George Floyd whether he knew him
or not, whether it was some harboured beef or not.
He killed him in cold blood by kneeling on his neck.
Publicly and with the full knowledge that he was being
filmed and after hearing repeated warnings.
This is what needs to change.
You can be racist as much as like, you can shout it out at the top of your
voice but as long as you're not harming anyone I've got no problem with that.
I live in London, it's a big city, I see crazies all the time.
If you harm someone then I will have something to say.
I'm glad to see the solidarity.
I'm glad to see the discussions.
We do not need anymore reasons for hate.
We need balance.
Peace.
I hear ya, but you'd be surprised how things have changed here. We have our own tinpot Trump, easing populist tactics into British politics, and Brexit has regurgitated casual racism and supported latent xenophobia. Johnson has used very similar tactics to attract the disenfranchised, and con them into thinking a bunch of rich Etonian bankers have their best interests at heart - and is employing Churchillian/D-Day olde 'Great British values' and tradition as a smoke screen.
Not disputing what you're saying at all, we're on the same page, but there are definite echoes of Trumpism here in the UK, and they're getting louder.
I hear you loud and clear.
@Gravitas
Beautiful post.
Thank you.
Bless up.
Good one @Gravitas
I think the best thing I can do is to try and bring my kids up the right way and to teach them to be good, inclusive, kind people.
@Gravitas To say “black lives do matter, but all lives matter more” makes absolute zero sense. It only serves to diminish the idea that black lives matter. It asks to remove the spotlight. Else why would you need to say it?
If you had a disease attack your liver and your liver is failing, how would you look at your doctor if he told you “your liver matters, but your whole body matters more.” How could something so absurdly redundant not be meant as a deflection? The liver needs medicine. End of story.
Being afraid to say THIS LIVER NEEDS MEDICINE full stop illustrates people’s cognitive dissonance. You don’t want to accept the gravity of the problem, so you dilute it.
There is zero need to qualify the statement “black lives matter”
I think the thing not to lose sight of is the context of Black Lives Matter. As a statement on its own it focuses on people with one particular skin color, but no one is suggesting that black lives matter to the point of exclusion of people of all other skin colors.
If true equality for people of all skin colors is achieved, then it would not need to be qualified at all.
Black Lives Matter is a summation of a system, at this time the USA system, it’s leader, who fails to see, Black Lives Do Matter. Make America a good place. Find someone that can.
Another platform steps up and applies its policies evenly:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52912884
Now if Zuckerberg would grow a pair...
Androids don’t have balls
I'm not qualifying it.
It's not a catch phrase, hashtag meme thing for me.
That's popular thinking and behaviour.
'All life matters'.
This is my point.
I so appreciate everyone who has participated in this conversation. Intelligent dialogue about very important, history making issues has become a scarce commodity these days. I appreciate we can be a little bristly with each other without being viscous. I appreciate the passion. We are all, to some degree or other, artists. I believe it is necessary for true art to have a certain degree of passion behind it. I’m going to take out some of my frustration on my Ibanez and Nembrini 8180. Peace and love to all. Even to my fellow Alabamians.
Another positive step - looks like charges are pending for the 3 ex-officers who were accessories to the killing.
By the way notice that picture the people(men) in military style garb with their faces covered have no american military emblems on their clothing ( please fact check me in case I am wrong) it appears that they are/maybe private military contractors if that is the case we have a real problem.
Note: for those who do not know Sec. of Education Betsy DeVos' (trump administration) brother Erik Prince is the founder of Blackwater now called Academi not a coincidence, but I will let others decide.
Bingo...and the beauty queen wants a divorce 24 hours later.. Did SHE know the victim....... ? huh...
It is not a catch phrase or hashtag meme for black people either. It is not popular thinking at all, actually. It’s unfortunate that you are somehow on holier ground than those who simply say black lives matter and feel you must make it clear that all life matters. “That is my point”
You’ve actually made no point at all.
Ha! Maybe he thinks he is MySpace proof. Maybe Bezos is looking for a bargain ...