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  • I’m amazed that they work on 9.3, I had no idea and if they’re not too taxing it’ll be great on my old frozen in time iPad 3 - Has anyone with such venerable hardware tried any of the amps and if so, how did it cope?

  • edited July 2020

    @DSCB57 I never said, or anyone else from Nembrini did, that we want rise the price of our apps. Three figure price is out of this world. Don’t know where you’ve got that info, but it’s totally unfounded.
    As far I know, nobody's reported any bug in Audiobus 3, so please contact our customer care, providing the more possible infos about it and the device and iOS you’re using.
    Regards.

  • edited July 2020

    @DSCB57 I gotta say I mostly disagree. Most people will already have a phone, and it’s a pretty safe bet it will be an iPhone most of the time. It’s not like the hardware becomes obsolete any faster than a desktop, and it is multi-use, much like a desktop. The software can become obsolete with new OS updates, sure, but you always have the option not to update. Same goes for desktop - sometimes companies put out entire new versions of software for new OS.

    I agree with @yowza , I don’t think most people are using Tonestack as a “host.” I would think you would want to use Tonestack in AUM or AB3 as IAA, admittedly a deprecated technology that still works most of the time but still buggy.

    I think @And_Nembrini has done a great job with the new plugins AND navigating the shark infested waters that this forum has sometimes shown itself to be.

    With respect to your AB3 issues, I have not seen or had any issues. Is there something you can point to that is happening that we can try to reproduce and help to get sorted?

  • @mjcouche said:
    @DSCB57 I gotta say I mostly disagree. Most people will already have a phone, and it’s a pretty safe bet it will be an iPhone most of the time. It’s not like the hardware becomes obsolete any faster than a desktop, and it is multi-use, much like a desktop. The software can become obsolete with new OS updates, sure, but you always have the option not to update. Same goes for desktop - sometimes companies put out entire new versions of software for new OS.

    I agree with @yowza , I don’t think most people are using Tonestack as a “host.” I would think you would want to use Tonestack in AUM or AB3 as IAA, admittedly a deprecated technology that still works most of the time but still buggy.

    I think @And_Nembrini has done a great job with the new plugins AND navigating the shark infested waters that this forum has sometimes shown itself to be.

    With respect to your AB3 issues, I have not seen or had any issues. Is there something you can point to that is happening that we can try to reproduce and help to get sorted?

    So elegantly and accurately depicted. I applaud you sir.

  • @mjcouche said:
    @DSCB57 I gotta say I mostly disagree. Most people will already have a phone, and it’s a pretty safe bet it will be an iPhone most of the time. It’s not like the hardware becomes obsolete any faster than a desktop, and it is multi-use, much like a desktop. The software can become obsolete with new OS updates, sure, but you always have the option not to update. Same goes for desktop - sometimes companies put out entire new versions of software for new OS.

    I agree with @yowza , I don’t think most people are using Tonestack as a “host.” I would think you would want to use Tonestack in AUM or AB3 as IAA, admittedly a deprecated technology that still works most of the time but still buggy.

    I think @And_Nembrini has done a great job with the new plugins AND navigating the shark infested waters that this forum has sometimes shown itself to be.

    With respect to your AB3 issues, I have not seen or had any issues. Is there something you can point to that is happening that we can try to reproduce and help to get sorted?

    Thank you. First of all a run down of my setup:

    iPad Pro 10.5 64GB running latest version of iPad OS 13.5.1
    Steinberg UR22C audio interface
    Yamaha THR10II as desktop monitor (have been experimenting with this both as a desktop monitor and alternative audio interface)
    Perhaps I should also mention that I have only been using this platform for a relatively short time, so I am still struggling with a rather steep learning curve, which makes the kind of difficulties I am describing all the more frustrating.

    The main issues are the following:

    1. When using Nembrini plugins in AB3, when you bring up any of the plugins it is not possible to access the user presets saved in the standalone version. Only the factory default presets are available, as though these were two completely separate plugins, which should not be the case. I previously believed that this was limited to the Crunck V2 plugin, but since found that the FX plugins also exhibit the same behaviour. Perhaps if I knew where the standalone user presets are stored on my iPad it may be helpful.
    2. The A/B preset content is not saved despite saving the session in AB3.
    3. When the Crunck V2 plugin is opened up within AB3 or another host, not only does it not load the designated preset chosen in the standalone version, but also defaults to an entirely unrelated preset than the one last saved.
    4. Auto-mute state of Crunck V2 (and I suspect all the other Nembrini amp models) - see below...
    5. The A/B switch is not accessible whilst using the plugin inside a host app, meaning that you lose the potential that this really useful feature is meant to provide.

    To be fair, I have been fairly successful combining various Nembrini FX in a virtual signal chain within AB3, even combined with other plugins, with the exception of the Crunck V2 plugin, because whenever it is brought up within a host app such as AB3 it always defaults to the auto-mute mode, and there is no way to turn this off. That means that you have to open Crunck V2 in a separate window, then turn off the auto-mute before any output can be heard through the host app. That in itself renders the plugin unusable for me.
    I say fairly successful, since although I have no problem accessing and using the Nembrini plugins within the virtual signal chain in AB3, all of them still default to different user presets than the ones I had chosen, which really isn't very conducive to practical use of them for recording or even just jamming. Again, a source of considerable frustration.

  • @DSCB57 sorry for your frustration. You may want to try uninstalling and reinstalling Crunck. I am not having this issue. I can’t replicate your interface set up but I tried Crunck in AB3 driven by Ravenscroft and it worked instantly. I can try using my interfaces a bit later to see if that makes a difference (Shure MVi and CEntrance MixerFace R4).

    It is worth noting that any host cannot automatically “detect” the settings of the standalone app when it was used in the standalone mode. It will however remember the state that you were in when using the app within the host.

    I am not sure about the preset thing. That will be a question for @And_Nembrini, along with the A/B preset saving thing.

    I tried creating a preset in Crunck in standalone and it did not show up in either AUM or AB3. However I created a preset in Crunck in AB3 and it was there after closing and then reopening the app and selecting Crunck as an effect. This may be your best workaround for now.

    Welcome to the wide wacky world of iOS. There are things that work and things that don’t. I’ve spent many “practice” sessions just trying to figure out how to hook things up and get thing working. If you have a question, ask here. It’s the best place for information and help.

  • @ecou said:
    They do have preset saving, switching, A/B. This is what the bar at the top of their plugin is all about.

    Yes, it would be nice - if it actually worked. Have you actually tried using those features aside from the standalone application? Kudos to you if you actually managed to get it working as it should....

  • @DSCB57 said:

    @mjcouche said:
    @DSCB57 I gotta say I mostly disagree. Most people will already have a phone, and it’s a pretty safe bet it will be an iPhone most of the time. It’s not like the hardware becomes obsolete any faster than a desktop, and it is multi-use, much like a desktop. The software can become obsolete with new OS updates, sure, but you always have the option not to update. Same goes for desktop - sometimes companies put out entire new versions of software for new OS.

    I agree with @yowza , I don’t think most people are using Tonestack as a “host.” I would think you would want to use Tonestack in AUM or AB3 as IAA, admittedly a deprecated technology that still works most of the time but still buggy.

    I think @And_Nembrini has done a great job with the new plugins AND navigating the shark infested waters that this forum has sometimes shown itself to be.

    With respect to your AB3 issues, I have not seen or had any issues. Is there something you can point to that is happening that we can try to reproduce and help to get sorted?

    Thank you. First of all a run down of my setup:

    iPad Pro 10.5 64GB running latest version of iPad OS 13.5.1
    Steinberg UR22C audio interface
    Yamaha THR10II as desktop monitor (have been experimenting with this both as a desktop monitor and alternative audio interface)
    Perhaps I should also mention that I have only been using this platform for a relatively short time, so I am still struggling with a rather steep learning curve, which makes the kind of difficulties I am describing all the more frustrating.

    The main issues are the following:

    1. When using Nembrini plugins in AB3, when you bring up any of the plugins it is not possible to access the user presets saved in the standalone version. Only the factory default presets are available, as though these were two completely separate plugins, which should not be the case. I previously believed that this was limited to the Crunck V2 plugin, but since found that the FX plugins also exhibit the same behaviour. Perhaps if I knew where the standalone user presets are stored on my iPad it may be helpful.
    2. The A/B preset content is not saved despite saving the session in AB3.
    3. When the Crunck V2 plugin is opened up within AB3 or another host, not only does it not load the designated preset chosen in the standalone version, but also defaults to an entirely unrelated preset than the one last saved.
    4. Auto-mute state of Crunck V2 (and I suspect all the other Nembrini amp models) - see below...
    5. The A/B switch is not accessible whilst using the plugin inside a host app, meaning that you lose the potential that this really useful feature is meant to provide.

    To be fair, I have been fairly successful combining various Nembrini FX in a virtual signal chain within AB3, even combined with other plugins, with the exception of the Crunck V2 plugin, because whenever it is brought up within a host app such as AB3 it always defaults to the auto-mute mode, and there is no way to turn this off. That means that you have to open Crunck V2 in a separate window, then turn off the auto-mute before any output can be heard through the host app. That in itself renders the plugin unusable for me.
    I say fairly successful, since although I have no problem accessing and using the Nembrini plugins within the virtual signal chain in AB3, all of them still default to different user presets than the ones I had chosen, which really isn't very conducive to practical use of them for recording or even just jamming. Again, a source of considerable frustration.

    I‘m sorry for the issues you are experiencing, but I can only repeat what I already said: please contact the customer service, since I can’t do nothing from here, sadly.

    https://www.nembriniaudio.com/pages/contact

    Cheers

  • @And_Nembrini said:
    @DSCB57 I never said, or anyone else from Nembrini did, that we want rise the price of our apps. Three figure price is out of this world. Don’t know where you’ve got that info, but it’s totally unfounded.
    As far I know, nobody's reported any bug in Audiobus 3, so please contact our customer care, providing the more possible infos about it and the device and iOS you’re using.
    Regards.

    Well, reading back through many of the earlier posts on this thread alone may give you some idea where those ideas were coming from, even if they were meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Even though they didn't come from you, I didn't notice you stepping in to address these potentially misleading comments before now.

    But there is another reason why I took this seriously - this is not the only thread talking about raising the price of apps on the iOS platform to 3 figure prices, and there appear to be some shills on these forums **advocating **those prices - albeit for a different range of products, and saying that they would pay them without hesitation. That frankly worries me, because of the power these forums can have on public opinion.
    Here's one example: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/824338#Comment_824338

    As regards the issues I mentioned, I have been in touch with your technical support team already a while back, but the issues remain unresolved, which is why I have mentioned these issues on these forums - partially in order to find out whether my case is an isolated case, and partially because I wanted to see how ready you were to contribute to these forums as developers and interact with your users.
    I find the fact that you do actually bother to participate in debates like these commendable, because many of your competitors frankly don't appear to give a monkey's about their users, aside from the revenue they generate for the company.
    But the fact remains that I am reticent to pay for a product that exhibits the issues I described, and if they occur in your free plugins what reason do I have to believe that the same issues will not occur with your paid versions? After all, they use the same design format and architecture presumably.

  • I‘m sorry for the issues you are experiencing, but I can only repeat what I already said: please contact the customer service, since I can’t do nothing from here, sadly.

    https://www.nembriniaudio.com/pages/contact

    Cheers

    Thank you, but I did not address this to you. It was mjcouche who suggested that I provide this information in order to try and resolve these issues, and my post was in response to his comments. As I already mentioned, your own customer support failed to resolve these issues.

  • @mjcouche said:
    @DSCB57 sorry for your frustration. You may want to try uninstalling and reinstalling Crunck. I am not having this issue. I can’t replicate your interface set up but I tried Crunck in AB3 driven by Ravenscroft and it worked instantly. I can try using my interfaces a bit later to see if that makes a difference (Shure MVi and CEntrance MixerFace R4).

    It is worth noting that any host cannot automatically “detect” the settings of the standalone app when it was used in the standalone mode. It will however remember the state that you were in when using the app within the host.

    I am not sure about the preset thing. That will be a question for @And_Nembrini, along with the A/B preset saving thing.

    I tried creating a preset in Crunck in standalone and it did not show up in either AUM or AB3. However I created a preset in Crunck in AB3 and it was there after closing and then reopening the app and selecting Crunck as an effect. This may be your best workaround for now.

    Welcome to the wide wacky world of iOS. There are things that work and things that don’t. I’ve spent many “practice” sessions just trying to figure out how to hook things up and get thing working. If you have a question, ask here. It’s the best place for information and help.

    Thank you for putting this effort into trying to replicate these issues. You seem to understand the problem perfectly well, and yes that is one of the reasons I'm here. One issue you did not mention is nevertheless a crucial one - that of Crunck V2 defaulting to auto-muted mode when opened within a host app. Would you mind trying this yourself please?

  • @DSCB57 said:
    Thank you for putting this effort into trying to replicate these issues. You seem to understand the problem perfectly well, and yes that is one of the reasons I'm here. One issue you did not mention is nevertheless a crucial one - that of Crunck V2 defaulting to auto-muted mode when opened within a host app. Would you mind trying this yourself please?

    I think the auto muting is to prevent feedback from the device’s internal mic when the app is opened up. I’ve had this feedback happen so I appreciate this muting feature but I understand that everyone else may not want it to work this way.

  • edited July 2020

    @DSCB57 said:

    @And_Nembrini said:
    @DSCB57 I never said, or anyone else from Nembrini did, that we want rise the price of our apps. Three figure price is out of this world. Don’t know where you’ve got that info, but it’s totally unfounded.
    As far I know, nobody's reported any bug in Audiobus 3, so please contact our customer care, providing the more possible infos about it and the device and iOS you’re using.
    Regards.

    Well, reading back through many of the earlier posts on this thread alone may give you some idea where those ideas were coming from, even if they were meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Even though they didn't come from you, I didn't notice you stepping in to address these potentially misleading comments before now.

    They were obviously joking, no reason to step in.

    As regards the issues I mentioned, I have been in touch with your technical support team already a while back, but the issues remain unresolved, which is why I have mentioned these issues on these forums - partially in order to find out whether my case is an isolated case, and partially because I wanted to see how ready you were to contribute to these forums as developers and interact with your users.

    No problem discussing these issues on the forum. Please make a short video showing the bugs, it can help a lot. Also publish it here or send me the link, anything that can help solve a problem is welcome. Has anyone had the same problems? Let us know, thanks!

  • edited July 2020

    @yowza said:

    @DSCB57 said:
    Thank you for putting this effort into trying to replicate these issues. You seem to understand the problem perfectly well, and yes that is one of the reasons I'm here. One issue you did not mention is nevertheless a crucial one - that of Crunck V2 defaulting to auto-muted mode when opened within a host app. Would you mind trying this yourself please?

    I think the auto muting is to prevent feedback from the device’s internal mic when the app is opened up. I’ve had this feedback happen so I appreciate this muting feature but I understand that everyone else may not want it to work this way.

    The auto-mute is a handy feature in standalone. I have never had an app auto mute while in a host. I tried Crunck in both AUM and AB3 and did not have this issue @DSCB57, it worked immediately. This is why I suggested deleting and reinstalling.

    I would keep emailing Nembrini’s support team. They are responsive, it just may take a few times. The squeaky wheel gets the worm.

  • edited July 2020

    @DSCB57 said:

    @ecou said:
    They do have preset saving, switching, A/B. This is what the bar at the top of their plugin is all about.

    Yes, it would be nice - if it actually worked. Have you actually tried using those features aside from the standalone application? Kudos to you if you actually managed to get it working as it should....

    I have been using it in Cubasis 2 and audiobus. Works very well for me.

  • @DSCB57 said:

    @ecou said:
    They do have preset saving, switching, A/B. This is what the bar at the top of their plugin is all about.

    Yes, it would be nice - if it actually worked. Have you actually tried using those features aside from the standalone application? Kudos to you if you actually managed to get it working as it should....

    I've not tried it in the standalone, but have no use for it as a standalone app anyway.

    I'm not having most issues you report in Audiobus. I suspect you'll have better luck if you first kill the standalone app before adding it to AB.

    State save is OK for whatever side (A or B) you're on, but not working for the other side. So, if I save the session with A active, A is saved but B isn't. If on B, the B is saved and A isn't. Other than that it's working fine and never has the mute issue.

    @And_Nembrini - I'll do a bug report through your customer support. Thanks for being here and for your patience, good humor, and help.

  • @wim said:
    @And_Nembrini - Thanks for being here and for your patience, good humor, and help.

    Indeed! @And_Nembrini has been one of the most active developers on the forum.

    He has willingly invited controversy (my introctory pricing rant), calmed and worked with upset customers and answered countless questions all with a high degree of professionalism, charm, and whit.

    I'm so very happy to be able to enjoy the myriad Nembrini products, knowing full well that if there is ever a question of issue, Andrea will have an answer.

  • @SNystrom said:

    @wim said:
    @And_Nembrini - Thanks for being here and for your patience, good humor, and help.

    Indeed! @And_Nembrini has been one of the most active developers on the forum.

    He has willingly invited controversy (my introctory pricing rant), calmed and worked with upset customers and answered countless questions all with a high degree of professionalism, charm, and whit.

    I'm so very happy to be able to enjoy the myriad Nembrini products, knowing full well that if there is ever a question of issue, Andrea will have an answer.

    Thanks guys, I firmly believe that we are all on the same side, which is music.
    Here at Nembrini we are all musicians, we are the first to use our own apps, the first to be frustrated when we cannot quickly fix a bug.

    A forum like this one here, frequented by real, passionate musicians can only help everyone. Please do not think that a dev is not interested in the fate of his "creatures".

    Many software companies are made up of one or two people, we cannot ask that they are always present on forums or on social networks. Be understanding with them. They are passionate people like you and us, maybe they can't stay on the forum as much as they would like, so always use customer service if you want a relatively quick answer.

    Thanks again for your kind words.
    Best regards,
    Andrea

  • Thank you Andrea for obviously caring about your users, and for going out of your way to be helpful. It’s a shame you are not in charge of customer support, otherwise I believe these issues would have been sorted out months ago. I can’t upload a video at the moment, as you asked me to do, but I am going to purchase one of your fully fledged amp models and see whether that has the same issues as Crunck.

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