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WWDC 2020

Are we expecting anything that will affect iPad music making?

Update to garage band?
LPX announcement?

Haven’t heard of anything groundbreaking for tomorrow.

This year might be another year of little refinements to iPadOS. the next logical step is more pro apps!

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  • @ion677 said:
    Are we expecting anything that will affect iPad music making?

    Update to garage band?
    LPX announcement?

    Haven’t heard of anything groundbreaking for tomorrow.

    This year might be another year of little refinements to iPadOS. the next logical step is more pro apps!

    Probably we at least can look forward to a demo preversion of Affinity Publisher for iPad on stage?
    Logic Pro X for iPad, no, not today...
    Garageband Pro ($19.95 upgrade) is more likely to be released! More on this topic this evening...
    iPadOS 14.0 with a big big redesign may also occur today in first beta version...

  • Hoping for a garageband update. Logic would be a groundbreaking thing on ipad.
    If Apple is looking to introduce ARM chips in Macs, they need to show off the power of those chips. How to show? Pro apps. So if Logic is coming to ARM macs, it is coming on ipads. That is my logic😁

  • I have it on good authority that the Swift Cross-Platform Advanced Emoji Development Framework (EmojiKit) will be announced. Recent discontent over predatory App Store policies is expected to completely evaporate as developers salivate over the possibilities.

  • @wim 😂
    Sad but there's some truth to that.

  • Apple dont really care about music anymore, so I don’t believe we will see any special stuff in this direction...

  • edited June 2020

    Very likely:

    • MacBooks with ARM chips
    • rebranding of iOS on phone to PhoneOS
    • xCode for iPad PRO

    Likely:

    • talk about ABI / Module stability in Swift (this is big thing for devs, relative new, i would be surprised if they will not spend at least 10 minutes talking bout this)
    • talk about SwiftUI

    Small chance:

    • IAA will be removed from iOS14 (this will be actually great thing because maybe it would be finally trigger for Korg to convert all theirs synth apps to AUv3 :))

    Very small chance:

    • AR glasses (?)

    No chance (f*ck) :

    • finally allow call swift class methods in thread safe non-blocking way, to allow get rid of using Objective C wrappers and C++ in audio apps code :-)

    Hope not:

    • OpenGL support will be removed in iOS14, screw you dews and switch to Metal

    @wim
    Swift Cross-Platform Advanced Emoji Development Framework (EmojiKit)

    pretty sure that at least half of WWDC will be about uninteresting boring crap like this, as usually :-)))) Plus lot of heart touching videos of people who are using iPads in their daily life and job.

    Also for sure some "never heard about them before" devs will present some totally uninteresting infantile but beautifully looking game which fully utilises power of A13x chip GPUs .. and also some "never heard about them before" devs who will present app which is utilising LIDAR in laterst iPad PROs

  • edited June 2020

    @david_2017 said:
    Apple dont really care about music anymore, so I don’t believe we will see any special stuff in this direction...

    I would not say that. The latest Logic update says the opposite.
    At least they care more about music creation than any other company which sell mobile devices and computers.
    And otherwise it will be "all new","amazing" and the "most powerful ever" new shiny thing.
    :)

  • I knew someone would say this, but we are talking here about high end stuff, running logic on a $4K computer. I dont really get it, apple loves superlatives, right?

    They have the most efficient, magnificent, most reliable, most stable, most beautiful, most comprehensive MOBILE platform for making music at their hands and they are neglecting it year after year - oh yeah they implemented AU (which was the most awesome thing what could happened to out little universe, right?)

    @Clueless said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Apple dont really care about music anymore, so I don’t believe we will see any special stuff in this direction...

    I would not say that. The latest Logic update says the opposite.
    At least they care more about music creation than any other company which sell mobile devices and computers.
    And otherwise it will be "all new","amazing" and the "most powerful ever" new shiny thing.
    :)

  • @david_2017 said:
    I knew someone would say this, but we are talking here about high end stuff, running logic on a $4K computer. I dont really get it, apple loves superlatives, right?

    They have the most efficient, magnificent, most reliable, most stable, most beautiful, most comprehensive MOBILE platform for making music at their hands and they are neglecting it year after year - oh yeah they implemented AU (which was the most awesome thing what could happened to out little universe, right?)

    @Clueless said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Apple dont really care about music anymore, so I don’t believe we will see any special stuff in this direction...

    I would not say that. The latest Logic update says the opposite.
    At least they care more about music creation than any other company which sell mobile devices and computers.
    And otherwise it will be "all new","amazing" and the "most powerful ever" new shiny thing.
    :)

    Logic runs on my old macbook which costs less than the new iPad, so that is more high end for me ;)
    I am sure one day it will come to iPadOS, maybe not yet but in next years.
    Apple might care more about music creation than the users which expect a DAW coming for free or 10 dollars.
    Like you said, there is no better platform for mobile music. So it is as good as it can be.
    If it is the most stable and reliable and so on.....not sure about this.

  • @Clueless said:
    If it is the most stable and reliable and so on.....not sure about this.

    You dont have any mobile alternatives ;) psst 🤫 nobody needs to know

  • edited June 2020

    @david_2017 said:

    @Clueless said:
    If it is the most stable and reliable and so on.....not sure about this.

    You dont have any mobile alternatives ;) psst 🤫 nobody needs to know

    Who says that?

    But indeed this is a real musician more than i ever could be (and some overhyped famous people) :)

  • edited June 2020

    I'm sure I'm going to be wrong about a lot of this, but here's my guess at what's going to be talked about in the WWDC keynote:

    1. All about ARM and how fantastic the A14 will be in iPhone, iPad and obviously the transition to ARM on Mac.
    2. Intel emulation layer for ARM Macs
    3. No new hardware announced in the keynote. (maybe refreshed iMac announced quietly-ish a week or so later)
    4. Better iPad multitasking
    5. New iPad home screen (springboard)
    6. Way too much time talking about VR and AR and how great they are at services.
    7. No Xcode or Logic for iPad.

    Hopefully there will be an update to GB, but I wouldn't be surprised if it requires iOS 14 so won't be out until the autumn. Might not even get a mention.

    Anyway, just guesses. I hope I'm wrong about some of them ;-)

  • edited June 2020

    Yeah same feeling here. But let’s see. Maybe they will surprise us this time :P

  • Absolutely nothing of real interest that wasn't already leaked.

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  • X-code on iPad would be great in itself if that's going to happen :)

  • I follow some of the Xcode and compiler engineers on Twitter.
    They all seem very excited about something to do with Xcode...

  • edited June 2020

    I’m going to unashamedly quote myself.

    @klownshed said:
    I'm sure I'm going to be wrong about a lot of this, but here's my guess at what's going to be talked about in the WWDC keynote:

    1. All about ARM and how fantastic the A14 will be in iPhone, iPad and obviously the transition to ARM on Mac. ☑️ (No mention of A14 but close enough)
    2. Intel emulation layer for ARM Macs ☑️
    3. No new hardware announced in the keynote. (maybe refreshed iMac announced quietly-ish a week or so later) ☑️ (unless you count the dev kit but that’s part of the transition so I’m giving myself a tick here too ;-)
    4. Better iPad multitasking ✖️
    5. New iPad home screen (springboard) ☑️
    6. Way too much time talking about VR and AR and how great they are at services.✖️
    7. No Xcode or Logic for iPad. ☑️

    Hopefully there will be an update to GB, but I wouldn't be surprised if it requires iOS 14 so won't be out until the autumn. Might not even get a mention.

    Anyway, just guesses. I hope I'm wrong about some of them ;-)

    I reckon I did a,right with those predictions, even if I say so myself.

    The biggest surprise was the ability to run iOS apps on ARM Macs as is. That could be huge for some audio. Not sure how auv3 iOS plugins might work, possibly too much to hope for, but could be good.

    New Macs with Apple silicon by year end. My MacBook Pro might just get replaced sooner than I thought.

  • Well now that it's done - it SEEMS that native iOS apps will be able to be bought and run on the new Apple Arm chip desktop devices, without Rosetta 2 (since they are already ARMed). The question is, how crippled will they be when they are using MIDI and audio IO.

  • The Mini based Dev Kit Device could be nice - especially with a little happier virtualization for all those miserable python dependencies when running tensorflow and other ML code.

  • @jhhl said:
    The Mini based Dev Kit Device could be nice - especially with a little happier virtualization for all those miserable python dependencies when running tensorflow and other ML code.

    Dev kits historically need to be returned and won’t run beyond the transition.

  • Yawn... (musically).

  • @sch said:
    Yawn... (musically).

  • @jhhl said:
    Well now that it's done - it SEEMS that native iOS apps will be able to be bought and run on the new Apple Arm chip desktop devices, without Rosetta 2 (since they are already ARMed). The question is, how crippled will they be when they are using MIDI and audio IO.

    I wonder how they should get crippled (beside in terms of translated GUI). Core audio is there.
    But AUv3 could be not easy maybe when i see the huge differences in terms of automation integration and other things. Also Logic is the only using AUv3 (?).

  • wimwim
    edited June 2020

    @Clueless said:

    @jhhl said:
    Well now that it's done - it SEEMS that native iOS apps will be able to be bought and run on the new Apple Arm chip desktop devices, without Rosetta 2 (since they are already ARMed). The question is, how crippled will they be when they are using MIDI and audio IO.

    I wonder how they should get crippled (beside in terms of translated GUI). Core audio is there.
    But AUv3 could be not easy maybe when i see the huge differences in terms of automation integration and other things. Also Logic is the only using AUv3 (?).

    I think you're reading more into it than is there. This is just iOS apps running in a separate window shaped like the device. You won't be able to take AUv3's from iOS and use them as AUv3's in another app. But you (hopefully) should be able to run a standalone app like Drambo in a window on the Mac. Hopefully with some audio/midi integration like there is now with iDAM, but they didn't mention that.

    Other apps can run AUv3's on MacOS. I use AUv3's (Mac versions, not iOS versions) in Ableton Live, FL Studio, and GarageBand on the Mac. MiRack, unfortunately is only working on Logic, it seems though.

  • I wonder if this will influence prices on ios? Will you have to unlock or upgrade ios apps on osx?

  • Time to sell my 2012 mac mini, macOS BS won't support it :(
    On the bright side - iPhones SE 1 gen will be able to run iOS 14

  • Yeah Apple said you can run ipad apps on the arm Mac, but they did not say you can run ipad apps "inside" Mac apps, big difference so most likely still sandboxed from the rest of the Mac plugins.

  • @wim said:

    @Clueless said:

    @jhhl said:
    Well now that it's done - it SEEMS that native iOS apps will be able to be bought and run on the new Apple Arm chip desktop devices, without Rosetta 2 (since they are already ARMed). The question is, how crippled will they be when they are using MIDI and audio IO.

    I wonder how they should get crippled (beside in terms of translated GUI). Core audio is there.
    But AUv3 could be not easy maybe when i see the huge differences in terms of automation integration and other things. Also Logic is the only using AUv3 (?).

    I think you're reading more into it than is there. This is just iOS apps running in a separate window shaped like the device. You won't be able to take AUv3's from iOS and use them as AUv3's in another app. But you (hopefully) should be able to run a standalone app like Drambo in a window on the Mac. Hopefully with some audio/midi integration like there is now with iDAM, but they didn't mention that.

    Other apps can run AUv3's on MacOS. I use AUv3's (Mac versions, not iOS versions) in Ableton Live, FL Studio, and GarageBand on the Mac. MiRack, unfortunately is only working on Logic, it seems though.

    O.k. thank´s.
    Maybe someone also will create a workaround like Unifiy or so which lets you run also VST/VST3 in Logic and even lets you run itself as plug-in inside itself and so on plus other features no DAW gives you.
    Inception!
    Good thing is almost always someone will create a working workaround.
    But indeed i would be already quite happy to just open an iOS DAW with iOS AUv3 and stream the audio into Logic without need of iOS device, usb-cable and IDAM.
    But maybe also a good new market to enter for iOS developers. I am still waiting to buy some of my favorite iOS apps as native mac app. Drambo would be a thing f.e. I like to perform on iOS devices but much prefer editing and fine editing, sound design on mac.
    We will see.

  • Mother fucking SWAM is coming to Auv3 land

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