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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • How does one save/archive LK projects?

    I realized when I had to delete the app that I couldn't see a way to move my existing project for archiving so that I could restore after deleting. I don't see them in the On My iPad/LK folder.

    There must be something that I am overlooking. No?

  • edited December 2020

    @espiegel123 said:

    How does one save/archive LK projects?

    I realized when I had to delete the app that I couldn't see a way to move my existing project for archiving so that I could restore after deleting. I don't see them in the On My iPad/LK folder.

    There must be something that I am overlooking. No?

    You can save LK sessions as AUM presets and this should save everything, so if you back up the AUM session that should save the preset too. I don't think there's a way of exporting a LK session other than exporting each midi clip.

    There is a bank option in the save menu, but it looks like that just to import only at the moment, I've never tried it. Oh yeah and in "on my ipad" LK folder there are config files...maybe backing up all the files might work.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    How does one save/archive LK projects?

    I realized when I had to delete the app that I couldn't see a way to move my existing project for archiving so that I could restore after deleting. I don't see them in the On My iPad/LK folder.

    There must be something that I am overlooking. No?

    We have recently implemented bank import and export to FRMS. This is something we will gradually implement on DRC and LK as well.

    I'm not sure if LK documents folder is being exposed in the file system at the moment.

  • @Carnbot said:
    @espiegel123 said:

    How does one save/archive LK projects?

    I realized when I had to delete the app that I couldn't see a way to move my existing project for archiving so that I could restore after deleting. I don't see them in the On My iPad/LK folder.

    There must be something that I am overlooking. No?

    You can save LK sessions as AUM presets and this should save everything, so if you back up the AUM session that should save the preset too. I don't think there's a way of exporting a LK session other than exporting each midi clip.

    That's what I usually do.

    There is a bank option in the save menu, but it looks like that just to import only at the moment, I've never tried it. Oh yeah and in "on my ipad" LK folder there are config files...maybe backing up all the files might work.

    It shouldn't be available for LK just yet. I've just hide it on 1.9.0. We still need to change some logic in order to work in LK.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    It’s the same for me with the App Store version

    @sinosoidal : any ideas?

    I'm completely puzzled with this problem... I've just tested and it works.

    My main development iOS device is an iPad Pro 12.9 (2nd Gen) running iOS 13.3.1 (I never rush updating the iOS devices to avoid breaking development tools).

    Let me get to the office to see the result on the other two devices. @espiegel123 can you please join the TestFlight? We will need your feedback on forthcoming builds. This is a very specific and weird behaviour.

    Can you please try one of those crazy last resort things like rebooting your device and trying again?

    I had really high hopes on this release!!! :lol:

    I powered the iPad down and powered back up before making the video.

    Where do I find a link to sign up for the TestFlight?

    Deleting the app and re-installing solved the problem.

    Tricky one!

  • edited December 2020

    @sinosoidal I’ve been finally putting some time into LK Matrix in AUM and I’m loving it.

    However, since today’s update, clips play way too fast when I’m using my AirPods 😫

    The sample rate gets locked to 48khz and buffer to 480 in AUM when using AirPods. This wasn’t a problem for LK yesterday, but today it is!

    Please help!

  • @CracklePot said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    It’s the same for me with the App Store version

    @sinosoidal : any ideas?

    I am not getting the same ‘not starting when recording’ problem as @espiegel123, but I am having trouble getting midi to record consistently. It seems to drop out, or record really short or really long notes that I didn’t play, and it spikes the hell out of my CPU and the single AU synth (Phasemaker) breaks up completely.

    I can get it to start recording in an empty slot or a new clip, synced with AUM, no problem.
    After recording starts, and it is also sending to the AU synth, is when my problems appear.
    If I don’t send the LK track output to anything, it seems to record fine, and the CPU is stable.

    I have a feeling this is related to the weird iOS 14.2 midi bug that has recently been discussed on the forum, but can’t say for sure.
    But it might be worth waiting for 14.3 to see if these problems magically go away. Or if anyone is on the iOS beta and has LK, it would be cool if you could chime in.

    I can confirm that recording a midi clip can lead to cpu overload even with a single synth project. This seems to happen only while recording into empty clips, without predetermined length. Playback works without issues. Sadly iOS 14.3 didn’t fix it.

  • @branis said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    It’s the same for me with the App Store version

    @sinosoidal : any ideas?

    I am not getting the same ‘not starting when recording’ problem as @espiegel123, but I am having trouble getting midi to record consistently. It seems to drop out, or record really short or really long notes that I didn’t play, and it spikes the hell out of my CPU and the single AU synth (Phasemaker) breaks up completely.

    I can get it to start recording in an empty slot or a new clip, synced with AUM, no problem.
    After recording starts, and it is also sending to the AU synth, is when my problems appear.
    If I don’t send the LK track output to anything, it seems to record fine, and the CPU is stable.

    I have a feeling this is related to the weird iOS 14.2 midi bug that has recently been discussed on the forum, but can’t say for sure.
    But it might be worth waiting for 14.3 to see if these problems magically go away. Or if anyone is on the iOS beta and has LK, it would be cool if you could chime in.

    I can confirm that recording a midi clip can lead to cpu overload even with a single synth project. This seems to happen only while recording into empty clips, without predetermined length. Playback works without issues. Sadly iOS 14.3 didn’t fix it.

    We need to investigate. Thanks for your feedback.

  • @gregsmith said:
    @sinosoidal I’ve been finally putting some time into LK Matrix in AUM and I’m loving it.

    However, since today’s update, clips play way too fast when I’m using my AirPods 😫

    The sample rate gets locked to 48khz and buffer to 480 in AUM when using AirPods. This wasn’t a problem for LK yesterday, but today it is!

    Please help!

    I've just tried with my AirPods it works just fine. Reboot your device and try again. Also, when hosted on AUM, sample rate, buffer size and beat time depends completely on AUM, so it shouldn't be LK's problem.

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @gregsmith said:
    @sinosoidal I’ve been finally putting some time into LK Matrix in AUM and I’m loving it.

    However, since today’s update, clips play way too fast when I’m using my AirPods 😫

    The sample rate gets locked to 48khz and buffer to 480 in AUM when using AirPods. This wasn’t a problem for LK yesterday, but today it is!

    Please help!

    I've just tried with my AirPods it works just fine. Reboot your device and try again. Also, when hosted on AUM, sample rate, buffer size and beat time depends completely on AUM, so it shouldn't be LK's problem.

    To clarify, I wasn’t saying that the sample rate and buffer were your problem, I was just pointing out that’s what happens in AUM with AirPods.

    Anyhow, I tried restarting and no difference. The same project loaded in the same way with the previous LK was fine.

    I am using AirPod pros and I’m on iPhone 11 Pro if that makes any difference?

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @branis said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    It’s the same for me with the App Store version

    @sinosoidal : any ideas?

    I am not getting the same ‘not starting when recording’ problem as @espiegel123, but I am having trouble getting midi to record consistently. It seems to drop out, or record really short or really long notes that I didn’t play, and it spikes the hell out of my CPU and the single AU synth (Phasemaker) breaks up completely.

    I can get it to start recording in an empty slot or a new clip, synced with AUM, no problem.
    After recording starts, and it is also sending to the AU synth, is when my problems appear.
    If I don’t send the LK track output to anything, it seems to record fine, and the CPU is stable.

    I have a feeling this is related to the weird iOS 14.2 midi bug that has recently been discussed on the forum, but can’t say for sure.
    But it might be worth waiting for 14.3 to see if these problems magically go away. Or if anyone is on the iOS beta and has LK, it would be cool if you could chime in.

    I can confirm that recording a midi clip can lead to cpu overload even with a single synth project. This seems to happen only while recording into empty clips, without predetermined length. Playback works without issues. Sadly iOS 14.3 didn’t fix it.

    We need to investigate. Thanks for your feedback.

    Had the same consistent problem on iPhone in Drambo as a host. CPU overload happens around bars 35-40

  • @clowm said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @branis said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    It’s the same for me with the App Store version

    @sinosoidal : any ideas?

    I am not getting the same ‘not starting when recording’ problem as @espiegel123, but I am having trouble getting midi to record consistently. It seems to drop out, or record really short or really long notes that I didn’t play, and it spikes the hell out of my CPU and the single AU synth (Phasemaker) breaks up completely.

    I can get it to start recording in an empty slot or a new clip, synced with AUM, no problem.
    After recording starts, and it is also sending to the AU synth, is when my problems appear.
    If I don’t send the LK track output to anything, it seems to record fine, and the CPU is stable.

    I have a feeling this is related to the weird iOS 14.2 midi bug that has recently been discussed on the forum, but can’t say for sure.
    But it might be worth waiting for 14.3 to see if these problems magically go away. Or if anyone is on the iOS beta and has LK, it would be cool if you could chime in.

    I can confirm that recording a midi clip can lead to cpu overload even with a single synth project. This seems to happen only while recording into empty clips, without predetermined length. Playback works without issues. Sadly iOS 14.3 didn’t fix it.

    We need to investigate. Thanks for your feedback.

    Had the same consistent problem on iPhone in Drambo as a host. CPU overload happens around bars 35-40

    We are currently beta testing version 1.9.1 (build 178) which should fix this problem.

  • edited December 2020

    This is the most complete LK tutorial so far. It covers all the aspects from A to Z (in russian) when used as AUv3 plugin inside AUM. English subtitles available:

  • re. Airpods I've encountered occasional audio buffering instability more recently - not sure why but it seems to get worse if I'm using the Apple Pen thing. So maybe it's an Apple Bluetooth bandwidth issue rather than an LK or AUM issue. Just guessing... Also there's the rumour that Apple are (as I understand it) now automatically updating the firmware on the Airpods transparently which is a bad turn of events (not withstanding that these are of course first world problems...).

  • @sinosoidal: Any chance of implementing slide over / split screen on LK at some point in the future?

    Also it would be great to be able to assign set colours to individual pads/faders in the controller page...

  • I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

  • @branis said:
    I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

    If you don’t hear any artifacts, those spikes might just be an indication of the OS bringing resources online and then deciding they aren’t needed..as the OS dynamically throttles and and brings cores online and changes priorities.

  • Hi! Any word on when LK will support Launchpad Mini MK3?

  • edited December 2020

    @branis said:
    I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

    What's the buffer size you are using?

    Recording midi clip with pre defined length has proved to be quite intensive graphically because it needs to paint all elements of the composer due to length cnages. We have improved the repainting behaviour to the necessary only. Many redundant calls were being made and are now avoided.

    Recording has been dramatically improved on version 1.9.0 as we are now taking into account the sample position of the midi events. Recording from other midi generators via LK Input is now possible with accurate results. Maybe this is what you are feelling. We haven't made any changes regarding midi recording on version 1.9.1.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @branis said:
    I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

    If you don’t hear any artifacts, those spikes might just be an indication of the OS bringing resources online and then deciding they aren’t needed..as the OS dynamically throttles and and brings cores online and changes priorities.

    I think you’re right. I just did another test and I didn’t get CPU spikes. Must’ve been something else going on in the background on my iPad at the time of the first test.

  • @Stuntman_mike said:
    Hi! Any word on when LK will support Launchpad Mini MK3?

    Sorry, there is no ETA for that controller yet.

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @branis said:
    I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

    What's the buffer size you are using?

    Recording midi clip with pre defined length is proved to be quite intensive graphically because it needs to paint all elements of the composer due to length cnages. We have improved the repainting behaviour to the necessary only. Many redundant calls were being made and are now avoided.

    Recording has been dramatically improved on version 1.9.0 as we are now taking into account the sample position of the midi events. Recording from other midi generators via LK Input is now possible with accurate results. Maybe this is what you are feelling. We haven't made any changes regarding midi recording on version 1.9.1.

    My buffer size is 256 samples.

    I remember that with the previous build quantization gave some erratic results. Is it possible that in the previous build, due to the heavy cpu usage while recording, the recording was not precise which shifted recorded notes just enough to get unexpected quantization result?

    Anyway, it looks like the CPU spikes I had with the latest build were not caused by LK as I can’t reproduce the problem.

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    Hi! Any word on when LK will support Launchpad Mini MK3?

    Sorry, there is no ETA for that controller yet.

    Gotcha, thank you sir!

  • @branis said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @branis said:
    I am still getting CPU spikes (even going over 100%) while recording in 1.9.1 (build 178), but I wouldn’t know about it if there was no CPU meter in AUM. The recording is smooth, only looking at the meter is a bit worrying.

    I also noticed that quantization works much better. I’m not sure if the recording is now more precise or if the quantization itself was improved, but it works as expected now 👍

    What's the buffer size you are using?

    Recording midi clip with pre defined length is proved to be quite intensive graphically because it needs to paint all elements of the composer due to length cnages. We have improved the repainting behaviour to the necessary only. Many redundant calls were being made and are now avoided.

    Recording has been dramatically improved on version 1.9.0 as we are now taking into account the sample position of the midi events. Recording from other midi generators via LK Input is now possible with accurate results. Maybe this is what you are feelling. We haven't made any changes regarding midi recording on version 1.9.1.

    My buffer size is 256 samples.

    You are using a really tight buffer.

    Bigger buffer sizes means less CPU usage but more latency when recording audio or notes. Small buffer sizes means more CPU stress but lower latency.

    I remember that with the previous build quantization gave some erratic results. Is it possible that in the previous build, due to the heavy cpu usage while recording, the recording was not precise which shifted recorded notes just enough to get unexpected quantization result?

    Most probably! It is a very plausible explanation.

    Anyway, it looks like the CPU spikes I had with the latest build were not caused by LK as I can’t reproduce the problem.

    Great! Thanks for your valuable feedback. :blush:

  • Anyone else getting this, blank after hitting clip properties?

  • @RajahP said:
    Anyone else getting this, blank after hitting clip properties?

    What version? App Store or TestFlight?

  • edited December 2020

    @gregsmith said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @gregsmith said:
    @sinosoidal I’ve been finally putting some time into LK Matrix in AUM and I’m loving it.

    However, since today’s update, clips play way too fast when I’m using my AirPods 😫

    The sample rate gets locked to 48khz and buffer to 480 in AUM when using AirPods. This wasn’t a problem for LK yesterday, but today it is!

    Please help!

    I've just tried with my AirPods it works just fine. Reboot your device and try again. Also, when hosted on AUM, sample rate, buffer size and beat time depends completely on AUM, so it shouldn't be LK's problem.

    To clarify, I wasn’t saying that the sample rate and buffer were your problem, I was just pointing out that’s what happens in AUM with AirPods.

    Anyhow, I tried restarting and no difference. The same project loaded in the same way with the previous LK was fine.

    I am using AirPod pros and I’m on iPhone 11 Pro if that makes any difference?

    @sinosoidal I’m still getting this problem. I can send you a little video that demonstrates the issue if that helps?

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @RajahP said:
    Anyone else getting this, blank after hitting clip properties?

    What version? App Store or TestFlight?

    Seems it may be ‘one’ specific imported midi file that’s causing this... PMed..

  • @sambo said:
    @sinosoidal: Any chance of implementing slide over / split screen on LK at some point in the future?

    What do you mean with this? Can you explain a little better the details and purpose?

    Also it would be great to be able to assign set colours to individual pads/faders in the controller page...

    Even more important than colors would be the ability to choose an individual channel and device for each control.

    Even been focusing ourselves on the MATRIX. I guess that when the whishlist is empty for the MATRIX we can tweak many other things. :blush:

  • wimwim
    edited December 2020

    @RajahP said:
    Anyone else getting this, blank after hitting clip properties?

    That dotted line around the icon normally means you have a midi loop. That’s probably the cause.

    Strange though. I don’t see the orange dot on the “hamburger” menu, which usually means there’s nothing routed to it?

    I’d check all the routing carefully. Something weird is going on.

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