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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @sinosoidal said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @sinosoidal said:
    We are uploading a new build of version 1.10.7 (build 235) with the following changes:

    • Added midi mappable scene up/down buttons to master track (midi mode only) @lukesleepwalker
    • Added visual feedback to scenes with follow action (indicator and progress) @branis
    • Set midi output device to LK Output when creating tracks on midi import
    • Removed module switching animations @Frank303
    • Fix clip selection boundaries
    • Fix scene follow action bug
    • Fix midi import crash when importing automations @White

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    So stoked! Thank you!

    Please let me know how it works for you! :wink:

    Will do, please see your DMs.

  • WhiteWhite

    @sinosoidal said:

    • Fix midi import crash when importing automations @White

    Thanks, it works fine now 😊

  • TatobxTatobx

    @sinosoidal said:

    @Tatobx said:
    Hi @sinosoidal , would it be possible in LaunchKey Mini MK3 that the pads in Drums mode were enlightened?
    Thanks

    I take this opportunity to tell you that the new firmware of the LKMK3 (1.1) doesn't break the integration with LK :smile:

    We need to investigate.

    Thanks a lot

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @branis said:
    After using the Scene follow actions for a while now, I find that having a scene progress indicator, like in clips, would be very useful. The indicator would make sense only for scenes with follow actions and would be based on the length of the scene.

    I previously suggested some kind of indicator that would inform about whether a scene is launched, but that also has use only with scenes with follow actions, so a progress bar would give both info at once.

    Does this look useful to anyone else. @sinosoidal what do you think?

    +1! I get lost in the progress of a scene sometimes.

    Just wondering if have you tried the new scene progress feature included the last beta? :blush:

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @sinosoidal said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @branis said:
    After using the Scene follow actions for a while now, I find that having a scene progress indicator, like in clips, would be very useful. The indicator would make sense only for scenes with follow actions and would be based on the length of the scene.

    I previously suggested some kind of indicator that would inform about whether a scene is launched, but that also has use only with scenes with follow actions, so a progress bar would give both info at once.

    Does this look useful to anyone else. @sinosoidal what do you think?

    +1! I get lost in the progress of a scene sometimes.

    Just wondering if have you tried the new scene progress feature included the last beta? :blush:

    Indeed, it's awesome! Such a helpful indicator to have when working with follow actions. Coupled with the new Previous/Next buttons to move through scenes incrementally with a couple of controller buttons, this is as easy to use as Ableton Live as a MIDI hub for live use. Great work!

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @branis said:
    After using the Scene follow actions for a while now, I find that having a scene progress indicator, like in clips, would be very useful. The indicator would make sense only for scenes with follow actions and would be based on the length of the scene.

    I previously suggested some kind of indicator that would inform about whether a scene is launched, but that also has use only with scenes with follow actions, so a progress bar would give both info at once.

    Does this look useful to anyone else. @sinosoidal what do you think?

    +1! I get lost in the progress of a scene sometimes.

    Just wondering if have you tried the new scene progress feature included the last beta? :blush:

    Indeed, it's awesome! Such a helpful indicator to have when working with follow actions. Coupled with the new Previous/Next buttons to move through scenes incrementally with a couple of controller buttons, this is as easy to use as Ableton Live as a MIDI hub for live use. Great work!

    Thanks for your feedback! :blush:

  • tahichetahiche

    Hi, I just got a Launchkey mini mk3 to use with LK.
    I kept reading about Launchpads and stuff so I though it’d be a nice test, if I don’t like I always have the keys :)
    I know this has been discussed plenty but if someone with a Launchkey could help me out...

    • Whats the deal with the colors?. All clips are orange, then I make one green and it turns out red... I know this has been discussed but I don’t know if there’s a “proper” solution.
    • How do you trigger scenes in a way that makes sense?. I’m aware it might be a limitation of the Launchkey only having 2 rows and one “launch scene” button... I fond it really unintuitive to scroll up and down using shift to select the scene to play. Maybe mapping an empty pad on each row to scene launch?. I usually play triggering scenes.
      Maybe there’s a video or tutorial somewhere?. Cheers and thanks in advance!.
  • TatobxTatobx

    @tahiche said:
    Hi, I just got a Launchkey mini mk3 to use with LK.
    I kept reading about Launchpads and stuff so I though it’d be a nice test, if I don’t like I always have the keys :)
    I know this has been discussed plenty but if someone with a Launchkey could help me out...

    • Whats the deal with the colors?. All clips are orange, then I make one green and it turns out red... I know this has been discussed but I don’t know if there’s a “proper” solution.
    • How do you trigger scenes in a way that makes sense?. I’m aware it might be a limitation of the Launchkey only having 2 rows and one “launch scene” button... I fond it really unintuitive to scroll up and down using shift to select the scene to play. Maybe mapping an empty pad on each row to scene launch?. I usually play triggering scenes.
      Maybe there’s a video or tutorial somewhere?. Cheers and thanks in advance!.

    Sorry I'm not helping you but:

    • for the colors there is no correspondence at the moment, but for me it is not a big problem
    • that's just how I launch the scenes, it's intuitive for me because I used it with Ableton and it worked like that
  • tahichetahiche

    @Tatobx

    that's just how I launch the scenes, it's intuitive for me because I used it with Ableton and it worked like that

    How do you mean?. Using the shift+scrolling?.

  • TatobxTatobx
    edited May 2021

    @tahiche said:
    @Tatobx

    that's just how I launch the scenes, it's intuitive for me because I used it with Ableton and it worked like that

    How do you mean?. Using the shift+scrolling?.

    Yes, shift+scrolling then press ">" key to launch the scene

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=IWABDpX3Htw&t=394s

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal
    edited May 2021

    We are beta testing two new features on 1.10.8:

    • Double tap composer keyboard key selects all notes of that pitch
    • Add track color to track property. Choosing a color sets all clips of that track to the selected color
  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @tahiche said:
    Hi, I just got a Launchkey mini mk3 to use with LK.
    I kept reading about Launchpads and stuff so I though it’d be a nice test, if I don’t like I always have the keys :)
    I know this has been discussed plenty but if someone with a Launchkey could help me out...

    • Whats the deal with the colors?. All clips are orange, then I make one green and it turns out red... I know this has been discussed but I don’t know if there’s a “proper” solution.
    • How do you trigger scenes in a way that makes sense?. I’m aware it might be a limitation of the Launchkey only having 2 rows and one “launch scene” button... I fond it really unintuitive to scroll up and down using shift to select the scene to play. Maybe mapping an empty pad on each row to scene launch?. I usually play triggering scenes.
      Maybe there’s a video or tutorial somewhere?. Cheers and thanks in advance!.

    @tahiche the issue with colors is that Novation controllers family has several modes that you can enable when interacting with them. To have full RGB support enabled you need to be in programmers mode. In this mode, nothing is programmed at all. We use a mode called DAW mode, which keeps some pre programmed stuff, chords and drumpads for instance.

    We have two options:

    • We either limit the color pallet in LK to match the limited pallete provided by the controllers in DAW mode
    • We move to programmers mode and implement the functionalities that are not working in programmers mode. (a hell amount of work specific to this controllers)

    Anyway, this will be a decision for later as we are quite busy right now.... :blush:

  • tahichetahiche

    @sinosoidal said:

    @tahiche said:
    Hi, I just got a Launchkey mini mk3 to use with LK.
    I kept reading about Launchpads and stuff so I though it’d be a nice test, if I don’t like I always have the keys :)
    I know this has been discussed plenty but if someone with a Launchkey could help me out...

    • Whats the deal with the colors?. All clips are orange, then I make one green and it turns out red... I know this has been discussed but I don’t know if there’s a “proper” solution.
    • How do you trigger scenes in a way that makes sense?. I’m aware it might be a limitation of the Launchkey only having 2 rows and one “launch scene” button... I fond it really unintuitive to scroll up and down using shift to select the scene to play. Maybe mapping an empty pad on each row to scene launch?. I usually play triggering scenes.
      Maybe there’s a video or tutorial somewhere?. Cheers and thanks in advance!.

    @tahiche the issue with colors is that Novation controllers family has several modes that you can enable when interacting with them. To have full RGB support enabled you need to be in programmers mode. In this mode, nothing is programmed at all. We use a mode called DAW mode, which keeps some pre programmed stuff, chords and drumpads for instance.

    We have two options:

    • We either limit the color pallet in LK to match the limited pallete provided by the controllers in DAW mode
    • We move to programmers mode and implement the functionalities that are not working in programmers mode. (a hell amount of work specific to this controllers)

    Anyway, this will be a decision for later as we are quite busy right now.... :blush:

    Understood!. Thanks! 🙏
    I wanted to try the Novation Launch(whatever) way after all the hype. Thought the Launchkey mini was a good compromise, if I didn’t click with it at least I had a keyboard.
    I’m having mixed feelings about it. It’s great when it works, like with LK. But the customization is so limited... seems like Novation is leaving all the work for the devs. As a user you’re stuck with one custom mode where you can hardly do anything. Just assign notes to pads. No grouping, no toggles...
    why would they have different color negotiation in programmers mode?. At least they could have implemented a function to map a color to the closest available.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @sinosoidal said:

    @tahiche said:
    Hi, I just got a Launchkey mini mk3 to use with LK.
    I kept reading about Launchpads and stuff so I though it’d be a nice test, if I don’t like I always have the keys :)
    I know this has been discussed plenty but if someone with a Launchkey could help me out...

    • Whats the deal with the colors?. All clips are orange, then I make one green and it turns out red... I know this has been discussed but I don’t know if there’s a “proper” solution.
    • How do you trigger scenes in a way that makes sense?. I’m aware it might be a limitation of the Launchkey only having 2 rows and one “launch scene” button... I fond it really unintuitive to scroll up and down using shift to select the scene to play. Maybe mapping an empty pad on each row to scene launch?. I usually play triggering scenes.
      Maybe there’s a video or tutorial somewhere?. Cheers and thanks in advance!.

    @tahiche the issue with colors is that Novation controllers family has several modes that you can enable when interacting with them. To have full RGB support enabled you need to be in programmers mode. In this mode, nothing is programmed at all. We use a mode called DAW mode, which keeps some pre programmed stuff, chords and drumpads for instance.

    We have two options:

    • We either limit the color pallet in LK to match the limited pallete provided by the controllers in DAW mode
    • We move to programmers mode and implement the functionalities that are not working in programmers mode. (a hell amount of work specific to this controllers)

    A sounds like the better option, controller support is hard enough ;)

  • bleepbleep

    I agree. I'm speculating that limiting the pallete will not be a big problem for any users. Having a better match with popular controllers comes with obvious benefits.

  • TatobxTatobx

    @sinosoidal said:
    We have two options:

    • We either limit the color pallet in LK to match the limited pallete provided by the controllers in DAW mode
    • We move to programmers mode and implement the functionalities that are not working in programmers mode. (a hell amount of work specific to this controllers)

    Anyway, this will be a decision for later as we are quite busy right now.... :blush:

    Given that for me the question of colors is not a problem, but... according to the new feature in the latest beta, couldn't we make the pad colors match the colors chosen for the track?
    We would limit the number of colors and there would be matching between track and pad.

  • gregsmithgregsmith
    edited May 2021

    @sinosoidal said:
    We are beta testing two new features on 1.10.8:

    • Add track color to track property. Choosing a color sets all clips of that track to the selected color

    I was hoping you’d do this at some point 🤗

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    Version 1.10.8 made available today at App Store:

    • Fix Wifi connection to Ableton Live broken with iOS 14.5.X (requires permission from the user to use multicast networking)
    • Fix hold on Keyboard, Midi Pads and XY modules
    • Slight reduction of track buttons height
    • Double tap composer keyboard key selects all notes of that pitch
    • Add track color to track property. Choosing a color sets all clips of that track to the selected color.
  • RajahPRajahP

    @sinosoidal said:
    Version 1.10.8 made available today at App Store:

    • Fix Wifi connection to Ableton Live broken with iOS 14.5.X (requires permission from the user to use multicast networking)
    • Fix hold on Keyboard, Midi Pads and XY modules
    • Slight reduction of track buttons height
    • Double tap composer keyboard key selects all notes of that pitch
    • Add track color to track property. Choosing a color sets all clips of that track to the selected color.

    Thanks... Digging in...

  • tahichetahiche
    edited May 2021

    Hi!
    As discussed in multiple occasions, there’s a void in audio clip launching for a perfect LK/ AUM setup. There’s workarounds like Multitrack auv3 by 4 pockets or using Drambo or some other sampler. It sort of breaks the flow for me so I’m trying to bound LK with Zenbeats. Using Zenbeats to record and launch audio clips while retaining the flexibility of AUM routing and midi. I like Zenbeats for audio clips, very straightforward.
    I’m using Zenbeats midi learn to listen to LK and trigger scenes. I sort of got it working...

    I wonder if anyone has used Zenbeats this way with LK and got it working. Here’s some details and some issues:

    • I need to have Audiobus open to use it’s midi port. Send LK midi to audiobus midi port and set Zenbeats to listen to audiobus midi. Can’t get it working without audiobus in the middle. Zenbeats won’t listen to AUM or even LK stand-alone, I can’t get app-to-app midi working without Audiobus or some middle routing thing.
    • Zenbeats mapping only works with CC data, not notes. And I can’t see how to set values either, seems like “all or nothing” so I set LK to output on channel 16 and send cc0 for Zenbeats scene 1, cc1 for scene 2 and so on.
    • The midi learn parameters in ZB are sort of confusing in how they interact with LK. I have to set LK’s clip to not loop, otherwise it toggles ZB play which is not what we want. This also means if you trigger the same scene twice it will toggle the ZB scene and stop it...
    • It’s sort of hit and miss and random in the way it syncs to trigger the ZB scene. Sometimes it changes when I expect it to, sometimes it waits for the next loop. You can see this in the video.

    Update: maybe a Mozaic script would help... convert LK notes to CC message, it’s a lot easier to draw notes in LK than a different CC per scene/clip.

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @tahiche said:
    Hi!
    As discussed in multiple occasions, there’s a void in audio clip launching for a perfect LK/ AUM setup. There’s workarounds like Multitrack auv3 by 4 pockets or using Drambo or some other sampler. It sort of breaks the flow for me so I’m trying to bound LK with Zenbeats. Using Zenbeats to record and launch audio clips while retaining the flexibility of AUM routing and midi. I like Zenbeats for audio clips, very straightforward.
    I’m using Zenbeats midi learn to listen to LK and trigger scenes. I sort of got it working...

    I wonder if anyone has used Zenbeats this way with LK and got it working. Here’s some details and some issues:

    • I need to have Audiobus open to use it’s midi port. Send LK midi to audiobus midi port and set Zenbeats to listen to audiobus midi. Can’t get it working without audiobus in the middle. Zenbeats won’t listen to AUM or even LK stand-alone, I can’t get app-to-app midi working without Audiobus or some middle routing thing.
    • Zenbeats mapping only works with CC data, not notes. And I can’t see how to set values either, seems like “all or nothing” so I set LK to output on channel 16 and send cc0 for Zenbeats scene 1, cc1 for scene 2 and so on.
    • The midi learn parameters in ZB are sort of confusing in how they interact with LK. I have to set LK’s clip to not loop, otherwise it toggles ZB play which is not what we want. This also means if you trigger the same scene twice it will toggle the ZB scene and stop it...
    • It’s sort of hit and miss and random in the way it syncs to trigger the ZB scene. Sometimes it changes when I expect it to, sometimes it waits for the next loop. You can see this in the video.

    Update: maybe a Mozaic script would help... convert LK notes to CC message, it’s a lot easier to draw notes in LK than a different CC per scene/clip.

    Good effort. I always liked the way Zenbeats handled audio and if I remember rightly the timestretch was ok. If only it wasn’t such a midi faff!

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @tahiche said:
    Hi!
    As discussed in multiple occasions, there’s a void in audio clip launching for a perfect LK/ AUM setup. There’s workarounds like Multitrack auv3 by 4 pockets or using Drambo or some other sampler. It sort of breaks the flow for me so I’m trying to bound LK with Zenbeats. Using Zenbeats to record and launch audio clips while retaining the flexibility of AUM routing and midi. I like Zenbeats for audio clips, very straightforward.
    I’m using Zenbeats midi learn to listen to LK and trigger scenes. I sort of got it working...

    I wonder if anyone has used Zenbeats this way with LK and got it working. Here’s some details and some issues:

    • I need to have Audiobus open to use it’s midi port. Send LK midi to audiobus midi port and set Zenbeats to listen to audiobus midi. Can’t get it working without audiobus in the middle. Zenbeats won’t listen to AUM or even LK stand-alone, I can’t get app-to-app midi working without Audiobus or some middle routing thing.
    • Zenbeats mapping only works with CC data, not notes. And I can’t see how to set values either, seems like “all or nothing” so I set LK to output on channel 16 and send cc0 for Zenbeats scene 1, cc1 for scene 2 and so on.
    • The midi learn parameters in ZB are sort of confusing in how they interact with LK. I have to set LK’s clip to not loop, otherwise it toggles ZB play which is not what we want. This also means if you trigger the same scene twice it will toggle the ZB scene and stop it...
    • It’s sort of hit and miss and random in the way it syncs to trigger the ZB scene. Sometimes it changes when I expect it to, sometimes it waits for the next loop. You can see this in the video.

    Update: maybe a Mozaic script would help... convert LK notes to CC message, it’s a lot easier to draw notes in LK than a different CC per scene/clip.

    Would Koala offer the audio clips functionality you need with less overhead than Zenbeats?

  • tahichetahiche

    @espiegel123 said:

    Would Koala offer the audio clips functionality you need with less overhead than Zenbeats?

    Koala won’t work because it doesn’t support multiple outputs and you wouldn’t be able to add effects per track. Drambo does. But still, a sampler is not ideal for longer recordings.

  • soundtemplesoundtemple

    @sinosoidal
    Slight reduction of track buttons height <-- thankyou! Makes a world of difference to me. It's the little things.

    One small thing I noticed and its only cosmetic. The automation the value indicator in the top left goes negative and above 128 when you drag above or below the automation window.

    One thing I would find handy (for pitch bend) is double-tap a node to reset to the middle line (0) - It's not too hard to get it on zero ie there is a big sweet spot but would be a nice to have.

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @soundtemple said:
    @sinosoidal
    Slight reduction of track buttons height <-- thankyou! Makes a world of difference to me. It's the little things.

    :blush:

    One small thing I noticed and its only cosmetic. The automation the value indicator in the top left goes negative and above 128 when you drag above or below the automation window.

    Thanks for reporting. Will be fixed! :blush:

    One thing I would find handy (for pitch bend) is double-tap a node to reset to the middle line (0) - It's not too hard to get it on zero ie there is a big sweet spot but would be a nice to have.

    I believe we have added node snap to zero if shift is press. Can you try it?

  • soundtemplesoundtemple

    @sinosoidal thanks. Shift functionality seems to be the same. Shift-tap a node seems to delete node

    ... and one last thing there is triplet record quantisation but is it possible to set a triplet grid?

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @soundtemple said:
    @sinosoidal thanks. Shift functionality seems to be the same. Shift-tap a node seems to delete node

    If you move the node next to zero if shift is pressed, it won't snap?

    ... and one last thing there is triplet record quantisation but is it possible to set a triplet grid?

    One of our goals is add support to different time signatures, if that is what you mean. Later this year for sure. :blush:

  • soundtemplesoundtemple

    @sinosoidal Seems to be the same to me (shift or no shift) but there is a big sweet spot around the zero area so it is easy enough to get 0 on the pitch bend. Perfectly fine.

    Triplet grid changes the divisions on the piano roll to fit 3 notes in the space of 3 (thats my understanding). CMD-3 in Ableton toggles it.

  • sinosoidalsinosoidal

    @soundtemple said:
    @sinosoidal Seems to be the same to me (shift or no shift) but there is a big sweet spot around the zero area so it is easy enough to get 0 on the pitch bend. Perfectly fine.

    Triplet grid changes the divisions on the piano roll to fit 3 notes in the space of 3 (thats my understanding). CMD-3 in Ableton toggles it.

    Oh, I see. We don't have support for this yet. Added to backlog.

  • krassmannkrassmann

    Hi, I try to sync LK and Cubasis. I used LK standalone and turned sync to Midi clock on. I set Midi In to Cubasis 3 and ensured Cubasis generates Midi clock. LK started to receive the Midi clock and adjusted the tempo. So far so good.

    LK did not react to start/stop of Cubasis. Both apps were totally not on the beat. Looks like they were not synced on a bar. Totally unusable.

    I tried to throw AudioBus into mix. The experience was better. AB being the Midi clock slave and LK loaded as AU in AB and host sync on. Basically works but there is a significant delay which is changing during playback - impossible to compensate. Also not usable.

    Any ideas?

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