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@Dramatispersona13 said:
I don't have those apps but I will try and post the MIDI later when I get the chance.
Here is a link to the MIDI file if anyone else wants to try with the apps that I don't own:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5tqwgfxa07jfgs/Electric piano samples.mid
Out of curiosity, how do you use the MIDI file to control, for example, Super Manetron?
@kgmessier said:
From Cubasis, but you could also use Genome or another MIDI app.
@PaulB said:
Totally agree.
Also would like Super Manetron to have a global tune, not fix each sample to be in tune. That way little discrepancies between notes remain but the whole of the instrument can be more (or less) 'in range'. Really just setting the pitch wheel to be optionally spring loaded would do the trick.
@Flo26 said:
Does it support Audiobus?
ok I did the Gadget one was simple enough
@richardyot said:
Thanks! For Super Manetron, the MIDI sequencer app has to support CoreMIDI, correct?
@kgmessier said:
Sorry, not sure - I would have thought it was virtual MIDI, but I'm not techie enough to be certain.
Is it me or were the ST and Gadget versions an octave lower than the others?
@PaulB said:
Oh yeah - maybe. There is a bug in Cubasis where it randomly transposes midi.
Let me put it like this @firejan82
If you're happy with the sound of mellotrone on the Gadget that's good for you. As for me I can hear compression artifacts in the gadget sample, especially in lower register. Here's my clip, dry audio, no reverb.
Gadget middle register
TJ middle register
Gadget lower register
TJ lower register
To me even at middle register Gadget lacks warmth. I'm not sure about this but it also sounds to me like TJ is a multisampled instrument and gadget they just sampled a the middle octave and spread I'd all over the keyboard. And sorry there's a couple of nasty clips in the audio.
I'm not trying to argue that Gadgets tron sounds are better than TJ, ST, SM or M3000. But I also don't think its out of place in a thread that does comparisons of mellotron sounds of various iOS apps.
Cool, no worries.
@PaulB: I've just checked by physically playing a keyboard, the SampleTank Tron is not an octave lower in the sample I posted, it really does sound like that. When actually playing Sampletank and Manetron the difference is really stark, Manetron is a lot nicer.
I can vouch for Mellotron and Mellotron XL as far as sound quality. There is no Audiobus or Midi but the developer has stated in the past that AB could be a possibility. As stated in the app description, it is the only Mellotron app with sounds from the original library. I really like the sound of it, the increased functionality would be great.
I would love to hear some sound samples of that Mellotron XL app. Does it have inn app recording and audio copy/paste? And does it include stuff like that first preset from that Paul McCartney video posted above?
the Mellotron XL iTunes description says: This is the only Mellotron app with sounds from the original library.
M3000 iTunes description says: All samples are original MKI, MKII and M400 voices from the production tape library of Streetly Electronics.
Streetly Electronics being the original Mellotron manufacturer I wonder which of those apps have a more original library, or are they the same.
The "originality" of the tapes is an interesting topic. In previous PC/desktop versions of Mellotrons there were complaints that they didn't sound right even when sampled from an actual Mellotron or from copies of original tapes. Part of the reason for this is that most people have never heard an actual Mellotron in person and the few that have heard one heard a vintage ( read as "even more wonky") instrument. What most people have heard are recordings of Mellotrons. And most of these recordings were done in high-end studios with expensive mics, mixing desks, compressors and effects. If you want your Mellotron flutes to sound just like the Beatles then you need Abbey Road too. There are even some sample sets out there that try to emulate this. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think I remember reading about a sample set that was recorded in Abbey Road with vintage gear.
Propellerheads put out an abbey road refill for reason I believe. I've never heard it but I remember it getting good reviews.
The 'who has what tapes' thing...
http://www.mellotron.com/rework.htm
Great read. 350 tapes! Shew
More side info on the mellotron
There's a bit more info on this topic at about 14 min. mark of this Mellotron doucumentary/GForce software's M-Tron commercial.
DD829 - please get back to me omenie at omenie dot com regarding the 'clicking' - not sure what you are referring to, need to clarify this ASAP.
cheers
Phil (the developer)
No clicky sounds from my M3000. @DD829 - the Mellotronics has a tape setting that can be set for the original 7-8 seconds or for looping.
I think I have found the 'start of note' thing that @DD829 is referring to. It's subtle but real. In the pack of voices supplied with the app (rather than the IAPs), some of the notes within Logic, where I prepare Strictly's tapes for inclusion in the app, were slightly off-grid. Only by a ms or two but they were too early, enough to place the start of the played note within M3000 into the body of the sample, losing some of the on-tape attack and resulting in a harsh note start.
I'm later today going to distribute a modified version around my TestFlight team, if it passes muster it will go in for review at the same time as the iPad 1 fix - currently the 4 or 5 users left out there on iPad 1 have a non-functioning app, but unlike many developers in iOS music world I don't throw them to the wolves but actually keep things running on iOS 5.1 for as long as possible! But it would be nicer for me if they bought a cheap iOS 7 capable iPad on eBay ...
This kind of dev-user interaction is one of the things that makes this forum so great.
My 2 pennies... I have sold music made with Manetron. It does a fantastic job sounding like original Mellotron mystery tv music. With the clicks and everything. I suppose I need to try the others. But the tuning is supposed to be off. I have an upright pedal magnus chord organ (real not an app)... I would be a damn fool to tune it. Certain instruments need slight off tuning.
All people want is the option to lock the pitch dial. Every orchestra in the world at least attempts to get in tune.
@DD829 - the Audiobus controls in M3000 are strange. I can never tap the buttons until after I rotate the iPad (so the button side is on the opposite side). Even after I rotate back to the original position the controls will work. Give it a try.
@MrNezumi - I will address that weird rotation thing as I move to AudioBus 2, it needs digging into for sure
@DD829 - the attack issue is now resolved, every sample of every in-app voice was realigned to the grid yesterday, many of the voices are sounding much sweeter now - the problem was that recent efforts went into sweetening the IAPs - a huge job, given the number of tapes we are playing with - and the standard voice set got overlooked. Really, it is a massive improvement. Listen to the high C and D of EightChoir - now every note sounds like the D rather than the C in terms of preserved attack. I'm actually a wee bit horrified by how far some of the notes were off-grid ...
@PaulB - regarding locking the pitch - if we were to preserve that value of 'Pitch' as 'Save Bank' is hit, would that give you what you need - so basically restoring a VoiceBank (which equates to a song) would restore the Pitch setting at the point that VoiceBank was saved?