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@JoyceRoadStudios i see, that makes sense. If i buy say the Rock Bundle on desktop, but buy the effects and distortion packs on mobile, will that be a reasonable approach you think? Then save up and buy desktop rigs from there and add them for $1.
Also if i buy the Rock bundle desktop will it be available on mobile for $1?
I apologize for so many questions.
Literally anything is more convenient than the THU interface itself!
As far as I know (and it proves on their website) Overloud gives discount only on THU Premium and Rig Libraries.
For example, I have THU Premium on desktop. Once I login on iOS with my desktop's account, I found the updated price for Desktop Owners - $44.99 instead of $110 (now it costs less). Also I have two expansion packs on desktop (Eric Gales Pack and 60's Expansion Pack ) which are not included in Premium version. Each one cost me $0.99 on iOS.
Would the Dang Rig or Bassman Rig be closest thing to a Dumble Amp sound?
Isn’t there a Dumble in there? I’m sure there’s at least one model
Edit: https://overloud.com/products/vintage-collection-1-rig-library
It’s in the Vintage collection
Dang description in THU store:
“ Dang Custom is the TH-U expansion library, created by Choptones, seeking to recreate the sound of a D'Angelo Custom Made* amp.
This rare boutique amp is a one-channel Dumble-style head, with lot of dynamics. It is perfect when used with pedals to shape their tone with great control! That's why the library has been created by boosting the head with 10 different overdrive pedals, in addition to the basic amp tone to be used with TH-U built-in stomps.”
@Tones4Christ first of all, Dang Custom is not a profile of Dumble amp. As it explained on the website: "Dang Custom (...) seeking to recreate the sound of a D'Angelo Custom Made* amp. This rare boutique amp is a one-channel Dumble-style head". So it's not a Dumble Rig. But it should sounds very close to Dumble.
AFAIK, the main problem with digital clones of Dumble amps that these devices are hard to find. But if you luck enough to find it, the next problem will be the price. Dumble amp could cost of $750,000 so nobody knows how developer can get it for work.
Secondly, if you never use the real Dumble, you can't compare the real thing with Rig Library.
So, the best thing you can do with this rig is just listen and enjoy the sound.
@Kranick is right.
Besides getting access to one, there were a number of different versions produced by Dumble that are significantly different models.
Use your ears and play what sounds great to you.
FYI: Here is the other “Dumble” amp from THu:
Thanks @Kranick & @SNystrom
Is this one included as one of the Funk Bundles?
I finally went for the Fx and Distortions packs. Haven’t gotten a rig yet. Will have to wait until all the amp/cabs pack is on special. Otherwise, it’s like i never saved anything. But yeah, the Dumble has a really special sound that just feels amazing to me.
@Tones4Christ yes, this one is included to Funk Bundle. Actual model list you could find on the website.
https://www.overloud.com/products/th-u-funk-and-rb/models
The vintage collection I linked has this:
Tested it in the trial and it sounds pretty good.
Has anyone gone for the full desktop version of THU for ~€279? It’s tempting just to forget about deciding on which amps to get. Then again, that’s a of cash.
If you buy the desktop version, or—say—the Funk Bundle (I want the bassman), is the iOS version discounted?
Thanks @Kranick for clearing that up. I was thinking of getting that bundle or the rock bundle but now that you mentioned the Dumble sim is in there, that might move me towards the Funk bumdle.
Is there any particular effects we gain other than the amps and cabs if one already has the effects/distort packs?
@mistercharlie , I missed the full premium when it was on special, so what has been recommended is to get the Dist/effects packs and rigs, and just wait until there’s a special for the amps/cabs pack. Then you’ll have the entire pack but really only overpaid about $10 from regular price. The thing is that one has to be disciplined not to go a la carte otherwise you’ll definitely overpay.
Will check out the vintage collection. I heard since it wasn’t captured by Choptones it wasn’t that great. But then again, beauty is in the ear of the hearer!😌😆
@Tones4Christ I’ve been playing with the desktop trial, and I want the Bassman, a Twin, and the Dumble. They all sound amazing to me, as good as my tube amp, and way more practical.
I haven’t yet worked out how to get what I want, but I’m close!
The sims are not of a quality with the rigs. The Dumble sim in the funk bundle is, IMO, not particularly Dumble-ish. While the Dang rig isn’t a Dumble, it or the Bassman rig are exceptional sounding and may be more Dumble-ish than the sim. And the funk bundle had the clean Dumble only.
The funk bundle does have a nice assortment of effects.
@espiegel123 thanks! Ah, this is what I dislike, you get a little here a little there and never the whole thing.
@mistercharlie I decided to go IOS route. I don’t see myself ever going back to laptop. If anything, i will save to get a used Pro 2nd gen someday as my 9.7” is already choking up a bit but at least it’s holding its own for now.
I even plan to build a live rig with Midi foot controller and a used but healthy iPhone 6 as the brains of it all hosting THU Overloud.
My current pedalboard works like a dream but the sounds coming out of Overloud are truly great even for live playing. So many plans need to start something.
Regarding the bundles, i think I’m gonna be set with all the effects/distortion packs for now, and not invest in the bundles, as I would be overpaying once the Amps/Cab bundle goes on special in IOS.
Once you have the all effects/Distort packs plus the Amp/Cabs you basically have the Full Premium edition. So that’s gonna be my route. Like @McD said, once you go ala carte, you begin to overpay little by little.
Might just go for the Vintage Collection as they did actually capture a Dumble and both channels! Even if it’s not as good as Choptones, perhaps it is the best or closest I’ll ever get to a real dumble.
Here’s a pic of my setup for leading worship at church. It’s simple but gets me that clean fender tone i really love! That Joyo American pedal is the secret sauce tho. The voice knob literally makes the tone go from a roaring Bassman to Boutique Dumble sound! So hopefully the Vintage Collection can get me close enough? We shall see. I’ll get it and review it and compare it to my floor setup.
One of the main reasons for me to go software is for the reamping ability. Although i love my tone, i hate to print it to tape and not have the ability to change things after recording.
IMO the Joyo pedal is still better than any of the amp sims, even the TH-U rigs. It’s more responsive to dynamics, which is still a weakness of the sims for me.
I did own two times an American Sound pedal, and sold it twice. It is a nice drive pedal but as an amp sim I thought it sounded (as an amp sim, with a bit of reverb in to a mixer) a bit 2D and raspy, like a transistor amp. So for me the THU rig sound more alive and 3D.
But the American Sound is indeed a nice pedal in the right setting. I bought a Palmer Eins 1 watt tube amp as a replacement, that amp head also can be used as a pedal. But you can´t put it on a pedal board. And now with THU and the rig files even my Palmer is redundant now (it is a nice device to warm up the guitar signal before it enters the audio interface).
https://www.palmer-germany.com/en/products/guitar-amplifiers/5131/eins
My advice is when it comes to THU and you want to save money, go for the best and only buy a few rig packs, and forget about the rest. And also forget what you paid for it, will do some pain but you will survive. In real live you also don´t need an huge collection of gear. I think the quality vs. cost ratio of the rigs is o.k.
@richardyot Yeah the American Sound pedal right now is basically doing the pre amp work. At church our space is not conducive to host my amp (Blues Deluxe) pretty old one, i think it’s a ‘93 or so, so i just go from Zoom G3’s built in DI box to snake to FOH. Really loved going into my amp for sure but this gets me close to what I love. The sound guy cranks my wedge pretty good so I can’t complain.😌🎸
Only reason I contemplated using the iPhone rig with Midi footpedal live is cause of ability to ise my tweaked presets but again, i would still use the Zoom G3 as the main DI since it does have a built in audio interface via USB to iPhone. Will see.
@raabje yeah, i think that’s what I’m going to do. Gonna go for Vintage Collection first, if that satisfies then, I’ll invest in the Mesa which I always dreamed of owning, or wait until they go on special.
Will definitely save for Camelot Pro as I just recently received response from Dev that it does use the headphone output of iPad if equipped, as an additional output! That is huge!
Well there's a lot of factors that go into personal preferences but one thing I can't seem to do with any of the TH-U rigs is to really change the character of the sound simply by playing harder, at least not as much as when using a real tube amp. The Joyo American gets me a little closer to that feel than a sim. YMMV of course.
That’s interesting. I find some of the rigs quite responsive though it always involves some tweaking and fine-tuning the input level to THU. I guess this is a very YMMV situation.
@richardyot I agree with you mostly, with a good IR you can get 85 percent there, but the feel is not quite right compared to a tube amp, and you have to contend with low quality FRFRs when gigging which doesn’t make it feel any better.
However, I think it can be done with a lot of tweaking on the Rig player and other components. Most of the knobs on the rig player do very little, but some do quite a lot. For example, have you ever tried lowering the definition knob all the way on any of the rig profiles? It gives a really awesome thuddy air moving quality to the feel, and it feels uncannily real. I often set the definition knob really low and turn the clarity knob up a little to compensate. So I would guess there are knob tweak in there that could get one closer to a tube amp feel.
However, the real reason I think it can be done in th-u is because one day I randomly found a preset in the 60s pack, called “rolling breakup”. Here’s how’s it’s set up…
I don’t quite know why, but it actually does exactly what a lot of us have been looking for. Very clean with soft playing and really reactive into edge of breakup as you dig in. And this isn’t even a rig! So I think it can be done, it’s just not a pick up guitar and cable plug in to a cranked bassman and perfect kind of situation. Lots of tweaking needed…
You know, I started thinking about that. It’s weird that the main reason i got attracted to THU Overloud is that specific reason, the feel which translated to the sound. Could it be due to the pickups we’re using? On my Strat I’m usimg old Gold Lace Sensors which I installed a long time ago due to the original pickups were weak and hummed so much. The Gold Lace Sensors really sound beautiful to me and gave me that satisfactory Bellish tones.
For me,nowadays all these amp sims react really well to dynamics without even tweaking anything.
No,it is not like what you get with a real amp,but it is pretty convincing.
More than convincing.
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I’ve loaded up the Choptones Twin, which is pretty sweet. I’ll check the Dumble. And the bassman is fantastic. I’m not looking for particularly accurate sounds—I have a Princeton Reverb and a Tweed Champ here if I need that. I’m just looking for great tone, man
I think I will just buy these three in whatever combo works out cheapest.
One question: the rigs that sit in that special rig loader, you can’t add your own IR, is that right?
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@richardyot I’ve been quite surprised about how responsive this is. I have a Strat, and when I roll the volume down a bit on the guitar, the amps clean right up. I also have some analog sim pedals (Ethos Clean), and a Mooer Radar, but I prefer T-HU at the moment. Easy to record too—I’m hosting it in Ableton.
100% agree. Most of the time the tweaking for me is really just pairing the right IR and adjusting eq accordingly. The feel is more than good enough as you say.
Having the best quality matched IR to your rig, and for gigging a high quality FRFR or PA, that is the final missing piece to near perfection.
@mistercharlie yes and no, it’s a cumbersome implementation. You cannot load your own IR into the actual rig player, it doesn’t have that feature. But you simply turn off “cab power” inside the rig player, and add any of the cabinet sim modules in the chain right after the rig player, and load the IR that way, and save your preset or whatever. As you know, the IR loader on iOS is free and can be accessed inside any of the cabinet modules. Each module has a dual IR loader and you can add as many IRs as you want really until the cpu overloads. So you can choose literally any cabinet, the one that looks the best to you, it doesn’t matter, and load IRs that way. I had like 5 cabs doing 10 IRs in there once just for fun and it didn’t crash. And I think on desktop this implementation is better, but anyway, this is how you add your own IRs to the rig player and stay in the box.
Oh and one important thing, sometimes if you turn off “cab power” in one rig profile and have your own IR going, but then you cycle up and down through different rig profiles, the cab power doesn’t stay off and turns back on because you’re in a different preset. So you’ll be hearing the rig IR and your IRs. So always check that the “cab power” remains off as you browse. Actually I’m gonna write overloud and ask for a “cab power always off” option on the rig player, like a lock-in feature…
I’m under so much data overload right now, too much input said that little 80’s robot! 😂
But this is so awesome to get this type of input from such talented and gifted fellow musicians!
@mistercharlie hope you get the vintage collection and do some Dumble samples. I saw the online vids but they didn’t concentrate on the Dumble in the vintage collection. I wanna hear it with different pickup configs. I have an old tele with a SD Little 59’ in the bridge which i use to satisfy my sadness for parting with an old 82’ Gibson Standard. Sad story, but i let it go when my back went out. It was sooo heavy. I regretted ever since, But, my first love is my Strat black beauty.
We are so blessed to have this technology to play these amazing virtual amps in out homes without disturbing the peace of our neighbors. 😂❤️🎸☝️
https://www.guitarworld.com/amp/news/orange-guitar-butler
Just read about this, I hope it sounds great. I’m really into this idea… why? Because this could bridge the gap between amps and sims, or at least help with integration. Not only is this a dual channel pre-amp with separate channel controls and a boost, but this has both an amp out and a direct out out for your interface or PA. And it has an fx loop for your hardware pedals. As much as I love going guitar-interface-amp sim, I have found that if I put an overdrive pedal right in front of the interface, just dialed for a boost or some slight heat, the amp sim sounds better.
Just going guitar into interface can sound clinical or at least so transparent that it’s colorless. And that’s good of course because we tone shape in the box, but going guitar-overdrive-volume pedal (to dial in the exact signal level hitting the interface without losing the overdrive), then interface, you can greatly improve the feel and response of the playing, at the root of it.
So I can Imagine this Jfet Guitar Butler, or many similar devices, going into an interface, could actually lead to the best results… and the best part is you can use your real amp simultaneously.
Quoting myself, this new pedal is definitely not gonna do it. The balanced direct out has a cab simulation on it that can’t be switched off, so using your own IR plug-in or IR box after it is useless. They don’t even specify if the amp out and direct out can be used simultaneously. Move along, nothing to see here.