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THU—Holy Grail for Fender sound

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  • @raabje said:
    hello Forum, this is a great topic. As a result I have bought the Fender Super Reverb and Bassman rigs last night.

    I think I could use one more. I think I have the Fender department covered with these two. The Trem63 and Twin rigs are tempting but can wait. I read in this topic about Brit 2000 and Tone Impera, and Friedman BE50 as favorites. I am not into high gain, so Brit 2000 is not for me. And I guess with the Bassman I have the JTM45 also covered.

    What is in your opinion a nice rig for a more modern crunch/medium gain guitar sound, differently than the Fender sound signature? From the demo´s on the THU/Choptones website it is bit hard to judge for me. I play a stock 2015 USA Fender Stratocaster and a humbucker guitar with Seth Lover PAF´s.

    Fried Betty

  • @raabje said:
    hello Forum, this is a great topic. As a result I have bought the Fender Super Reverb and Bassman rigs last night.

    I think I could use one more. I think I have the Fender department covered with these two. The Trem63 and Twin rigs are tempting but can wait. I read in this topic about Brit 2000 and Tone Impera, and Friedman BE50 as favorites. I am not into high gain, so Brit 2000 is not for me. And I guess with the Bassman I have the JTM45 also covered.

    What is in your opinion a nice rig for a more modern crunch/medium gain guitar sound, differently than the Fender sound signature? From the demo´s on the THU/Choptones website it is bit hard to judge for me. I play a stock 2015 USA Fender Stratocaster and a humbucker guitar with Seth Lover PAF´s.

    A lot of Fender players here like the Choptones Dang Custom. It’s pretty great.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @raabje said:
    hello Forum, this is a great topic. As a result I have bought the Fender Super Reverb and Bassman rigs last night.

    I think I could use one more. I think I have the Fender department covered with these two. The Trem63 and Twin rigs are tempting but can wait. I read in this topic about Brit 2000 and Tone Impera, and Friedman BE50 as favorites. I am not into high gain, so Brit 2000 is not for me. And I guess with the Bassman I have the JTM45 also covered.

    What is in your opinion a nice rig for a more modern crunch/medium gain guitar sound, differently than the Fender sound signature? From the demo´s on the THU/Choptones website it is bit hard to judge for me. I play a stock 2015 USA Fender Stratocaster and a humbucker guitar with Seth Lover PAF´s.

    A lot of Fender players here like the Choptones Dang Custom. It’s pretty great.

    No doubt the Dang rig is top 5, maybe even top 3, and it has 50 of the best clean to edge of breakup patches I’ve ever heard. But I would still classify it as a vintage style rig rather than modern, and it sounds really really close to the Bassman rig. And it makes sense since bassman/jtm/Dumble share the same dna. To me the difference beteeen vintage and modern is in the way the distortion clips and the harmonic content. So rigs like Fried Betty or Bogner Xtasy etc.. have a more modern sound.

  • Thanks guys for the replies, and guiding me to the right direction. I will check the demo videos of both, Dang and Betty.

  • So I received a response from Overloud:

    Hello,

    I'm sorry to hear that, however the promotion ended the 31th of December Central European Summer Time, and since is not possible to create discount coupons for iOS products we won't be able to sell it at that price now.

    Best regards,
    Red
    OVERLOUD Support Team
    www.overloud.com

    I think next time we see a 48 hr special, for us here in the US it really is a 24 hr special. Lesson learned.

  • edited January 2022

    Guys, I changed my mind, listened to the demo´s of the Betty and Dang. Maybe it is because of too much pedals used instead of a dry sound, or the playing, I come to the conclusion I don´t like the modern medium/high gain sound. And I have the idea that for high gain you don´t need a specialized rig, a stock amp simulation with or without a OD pedal would be enough to get there.

    So I am coming back to the demo´s of the Trem63, Tone Impera, Super Thunder, and the rock demo of the Edge Twin is also very nice. Difficult, I should just flip a coin to make a choice. In the end I will get them all, the question is in what time and in what order.... The crux is, I want to use the stuff I buy, the more I buy the less I use them.

  • @raabje said:
    Guys, I changed my mind, listened to the demo´s of the Betty and Dang. Maybe it is because of too much pedals used instead of a dry sound, or the playing, I come to the conclusion I don´t like the modern medium/high gain sound. And I have the idea that for high gain you don´t need a specialized rig, a stock amp simulation with or without a OD pedal would be enough to get there.

    So I am coming back to the demo´s of the Trem63, Tone Impera, Super Thunder, and the rock demo of the Edge Twin is also very nice. Difficult, I should just flip a coin to make a choice. In the end I will get them all, the question is in what time and in what order.... The crux is, I want to use the stuff I buy, the more I buy the less I use them.

    see if you can find @flo26's demos on YouTube. IMO, the THU official demos don't show the amps off as well as they could. I think they often sound more one dimensional than the rigs are. The Dang is quite versatile. I think flo has done demos of it and the Tone Impera. They are worth checking out.

  • edited January 2022

    To me the Dang feels like a tiny weird amp you find in an overlooked corner of a studio that can roar and get a tone that no other amp quite has. I like its idiosyncratic quality.

  • okay, thanks, I will check the flo26 demo´s, more homework to do.

  • @raabje said:
    okay, thanks, I will check the flo26 demo´s, more homework to do.

    Here’s one:

    From there, you can find a lot of his demos of other rigs and sims

  • edited January 2022

    So I checked the Flo demo´s. In the Dang demo I heard the live guitar sound of Gary Clark jr (hard to discribe, like a rusty machine), that sold me instantly. I will try to reproduce this. And in the process of buying I also bought the Trem63. So now I have 3 Fender rigs and the Dang. There will be some overlap in the sound caracter. To get a better understanding of the rigs, I will use one for a week, and then rotate.

    A little surprise was the free tremelo pedal that comes with the Trem63 rig.

  • Can someone please confirm if there’s a Volume pedal included in the “all Fx Pack”?

    Thanks!

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    Can someone please confirm if there’s a Volume pedal included in the “all Fx Pack”?

    Thanks!

    I can’t be 100% certain because I didn’t purchase the all FX Pack but I did purchase the TH-U Full which has it. If you look in the PDF file https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/TH-U/TH-U+Model+List.pdf it does list the volume pedal under the effects category so I’m pretty darn sure it must be included in the “all FX Pack”.

  • New build with three new rigs just downloaded.

  • Thank you!

    I think I’m gonna go this route even if it’s not on special anymore. But the rigs i will definitely get only when on special cause they get pretty expensive. So far the free rigs with the free pack are so awesome, I’m finding it difficult to get any others especially for the music I play. That Blackstar HT40 sounds amazing for my worship backing tracks and even boosting it for leads! So amazing!

    @Philh0954 said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Can someone please confirm if there’s a Volume pedal included in the “all Fx Pack”?

    Thanks!

    I can’t be 100% certain because I didn’t purchase the all FX Pack but I did purchase the TH-U Full which has it. If you look in the PDF file https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/TH-U/TH-U+Model+List.pdf it does list the volume pedal under the effects category so I’m pretty darn sure it must be included in the “all FX Pack”.

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    Thank you!

    I think I’m gonna go this route even if it’s not on special anymore. But the rigs i will definitely get only when on special cause they get pretty expensive. So far the free rigs with the free pack are so awesome, I’m finding it difficult to get any others especially for the music I play. That Blackstar HT40 sounds amazing for my worship backing tracks and even boosting it for leads! So amazing!

    @Philh0954 said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Can someone please confirm if there’s a Volume pedal included in the “all Fx Pack”?

    Thanks!

    I can’t be 100% certain because I didn’t purchase the all FX Pack but I did purchase the TH-U Full which has it. If you look in the PDF file https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/TH-U/TH-U+Model+List.pdf it does list the volume pedal under the effects category so I’m pretty darn sure it must be included in the “all FX Pack”.

    Fwiw, the rigs only go on sale VERY rarely and often the savings are small.

  • I think we share almost the same kind of taste. I’m not into high gain music, especially since I’m leading worship at church; but most of the modern contemporary worship music players are having this beautiful cleans then going into overdriven crunch into the chorus of the songs.

    For Live playing, I’m using a Fender Blues Deluxe and a Joyo American Pedal which to my ears is the most amazing Fender emulator pedalboard ever! All into a Zoom G3 for all my modulation effects.

    But for the studio I want to emulate that Fender tone, and beyond. What Rigs do you guys recommend for the Fender tone.

    I will look into the Dang rig which seems that it would be awesome too!

    I always dreamed of owning a Mesa Boogie amp; this dude at church had one when I was a teenager, and wow! Just dreamed about it forever! Which Mesa rig would you guys recommend?

    @raabje said:
    Thanks guys for the replies, and guiding me to the right direction. I will check the demo videos of both, Dang and Betty.

    @raabje said:
    So I checked the Flo demo´s. In the Dang demo I heard the live guitar sound of Gary Clark jr (hard to discribe, like a rusty machine), that sold me instantly. I will try to reproduce this. And in the process of buying I also bought the Trem63. So now I have 3 Fender rigs and the Dang. There will be some overlap in the sound caracter. To get a better understanding of the rigs, I will use one for a week, and then rotate.

    A little surprise was the free tremelo pedal that comes with the Trem63 rig.

  • In the Overloud update today, there's a mention of "3 new Rig Libraries." You have to hunt a little to find them, but here they are. The prices listed in the image are for desktop. There doesn't seem to be a sale for iOS.

  • I think Joyceroad Studios is a authority on this subject, and when you read back his top 5 is somethink like the Bassman on 1, Trem63 on 2, Twin65 and EdgeTwin shared on 3 and 4, Super Reverb on 5, Princeton on 6. Somewhere between page 25-28 there is a lot of info to read back. If I remember it well.

    But he can better explain it himself :-)

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I think we share almost the same kind of taste. I’m not into high gain music, especially since I’m leading worship at church; but most of the modern contemporary worship music players are having this beautiful cleans then going into overdriven crunch into the chorus of the songs.

    For Live playing, I’m using a Fender Blues Deluxe and a Joyo American Pedal which to my ears is the most amazing Fender emulator pedalboard ever! All into a Zoom G3 for all my modulation effects.

    But for the studio I want to emulate that Fender tone, and beyond. What Rigs do you guys recommend for the Fender tone.

    I will look into the Dang rig which seems that it would be awesome too!

    I always dreamed of owning a Mesa Boogie amp; this dude at church had one when I was a teenager, and wow! Just dreamed about it forever! Which Mesa rig would you guys recommend?

    For Fender tone, the bassman rig is great -- the Dang is awfully versatile and for many its cleans would qualify as being a good Fender substitute.

    I don't have any of the Mesa rigs, but one should keep in mind that there are pretty massive differences in the sound of different Mesa models and eras -- to the extent that what I (an old guy) think of as the Boogie sound is radically different from what someone 15 years younger thinks of as th Boogie sound.

    A number of people have raved out the Mk5 rig since that amp covers a lot of ground and includes several different architectures.

  • edited January 2022

    @espiegel123 & @raabje thanks! Will look into those top 5. I know he had mentioned something about the Randalls but are those rigs or stock amps?

    Another amp i really loved when i had my Tonelab SE floor pedalboard was the Dumble. That sound was son awesome, brothers at church always came to me asking what amp was in using since at that time i was going straight to FOH . But what Rig do you guys know of that has a great Dumble sound.

  • Found my own answer about the Dumble! ❤️❤️❤️❤️🎸👍🏼☝️

    And this awesome video in YouTube:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @McD said:
    The best information I can find about the elusive Alexander Dumble and his amps comes from the
    Robben Ford interview of GuitarWank. The GuitarWank gang gets Robbed drunk in real time and he
    tells the best stories about:

    Joni Mitchell (he introduced her to Jaco),
    Miles,
    his feelings about the Major 7th and why he just won't use it (it sound too much like cocktail jazz)
    why he will only write songs
    moving from LA to Nashville
    and the secrets of mastering chords at a young age (It's a book that's no longer published, What?!)

    https://www.guitarwank.com/podcast/episode/826e0478/guitarwank-episode-9946-november-6th-2018-robben-ford

    https://www.guitarwank.com/podcast/episode/8517d7cd/guitarwank-episode-9947-november-13th-2018-robben-ford

    https://www.guitarwank.com/podcast/episode/85f3f739/guitarwank-episode-151-jan-1st-2019-robben-ford

    Speaking of Dumble, just a friendly reminder that the Overloud TH-U Vintage Collection Vol. 1 comes with 12 rigs of a Dumble Overdrive Special! YouTube videos and rare live shows are the closest most of us will ever come to hearing one, and these rigs are the closest we’ll come to playing one. In videos and demos a real Dumble has such a great voice that’s responsive and can be both dry and muscular. And the slight overdrive break has this signature in the way two notes interact, like two farts fighting for dominance. Some other amps have this too like a Bassman, where the overdrive sounds like purring turbine engines rather than crispy steel. It’s hard to explain but it’s so special. Anyway the Overloud rigs recreate this well. The overdriven rigs really ring out in the pocket and have that uncompromising soft overdrive purr that clashes. And I ran the clean rigs with a Brunetti Vanilla pedal with great success. These rigs made my Les Paul sound pretty Stratty. Of course it’s hard to recreate the responsiveness and dynamics of any tube amp, and the sims can sound a little digitally harsh sometimes in their attempt. The Dumble rigs can certainly be dialed in to great effect, they sound quite colorful as presented.

  • edited January 2022

    I have a question too, I have no experience with Kemper profiles, and THU rigs only for a few days.

    A profile or a rig is a capture of the frequency response of the amp, speaker and microphones (and the recording room). You feed the profile with your guitar signal, and the signal is altered like the real amp and other elements in the recording chain will do, at a certain setting.

    What happens when you raise or lower the gain in the rig player? Is there some dynamic interaction inside the profile itself? Or is this a programmed feature on top of the profile or rig?

    I am just wondering how this works, I am curious.

    edit: I thought OD pedals add volume to the rig player, but that is not true, maximum volume in the yellow Sdrive pedal (only OD pedal I have access to) is the same as bypass volume level. So slamming the rig player with a pedal is not possible.

  • I’ve researching the Choptones Bogie Dual Reverb 25 and that’s the one I remember loving its tone in the early 90’s ! Got my eyes on that one!

  • There are new amps coming in Overload, not rigs, screen shot. This one and the chorus, currently grayed out.

    Instabuy.

  • A Rockman and a Sans Amp?

    Thinking I’ll pass on those.

  • edited January 2022

    Sansamp is already in there, works great. Rockman is coming as it would appear.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios sent you a PM? Thanks!
    Need some advice please. 😌

  • Could someone confirm this? I can controle with a midi controller, in the rig player, the bottom row knobs (gain/treble/mid/etc.) with midi. But not the top row. Only one, global volume.

    All the interesting knobs (power sag, tube bias, clarity, etc) are not available in the midi menu. Maybe you don´t have to adjust these settings a lot, would be nice if this is possible in a future update.

  • @raabje said:
    Could someone confirm this? I can controle with a midi controller, in the rig player, the bottom row knobs (gain/treble/mid/etc.) with midi. But not the top row. Only one, global volume.

    All the interesting knobs (power sag, tube bias, clarity, etc) are not available in the midi menu. Maybe you don´t have to adjust these settings a lot, would be nice if this is possible in a future update.

    Keep pressing + and the menu will keep expanding with more and more things you can assign to midi

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