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Buttersynth. New Hybrid Synth from the makers of Cream Mobile

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  • dendydendy
    edited April 2023

    @MadGav said:
    The idea of a best filter is… difficult. Certainly there is the “does it work right” level but it gets subjective quickly. For instance I currently have 3 filters in my Eurorack - Oberheim SEM-style, Moog-style and Roland-style. There is nothing objectively better about one vs the other, they each sound different in a good and useful way.

    but the idea of good DSP code implementation of filter is not that difficult .. this is btw relevant also for HW dsp synths not just for apps

    good filter implemenation should:

    • to be perfectly smooth for slow sweeps (no stepping) but also for FAST sweeps (two different problems)
    • to not produce non-harmonic distortion (try max resonance on Model D plugin and do sweep cutoff - in top part of Cutoff area there is nasty noise - that's it, bad implementation of filter introducing non-harmonic distortion)
    • option to add saturation to signal (so filter doesn't sound sterile but adds more harmonic frequencies)
    • option to self-oscillate (produce sine signal, ideally possible to play in key, without any input signal, created just by resonance feedback)

    Most filter problems are easy to identify when you tweak resonance to max a then you try do some sweeps (fast / slow) .. this is moment when you immediately hear if there is good or bad filter implementation.

    Btw. also some famous companies have sometimes horribly bad filter implementations in their hw synths (roland sh32, sh201, their old MC grooveboxes series)

  • dendydendy

    this is PRETTY good standalone filter plugin, if i good rememeber, it's long time ago i tried it but i remember it sounded really great

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @dendy said:
    this is PRETTY good standalone filter plugin, if i good rememeber, it's long time ago i tried it but i remember it sounded really great

    Yes this is one of my faves, despite the usual subpar JAX UI

  • NeuMNeuM

    Just saving this here for future reference.

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @dendy said:

    @MadGav said:
    The idea of a best filter is… difficult. Certainly there is the “does it work right” level but it gets subjective quickly. For instance I currently have 3 filters in my Eurorack - Oberheim SEM-style, Moog-style and Roland-style. There is nothing objectively better about one vs the other, they each sound different in a good and useful way.

    but the idea of good DSP code implementation of filter is not that difficult .. this is btw relevant also for HW dsp synths not just for apps

    good filter implemenation should:

    • to be perfectly smooth for slow sweeps (no stepping) but also for FAST sweeps (two different problems)
    • to not produce non-harmonic distortion (try max resonance on Model D plugin and do sweep cutoff - in top part of Cutoff area there is nasty noise - that's it, bad implementation of filter introducing non-harmonic distortion)
    • option to add saturation to signal (so filter doesn't sound sterile but adds more harmonic frequencies)
    • option to self-oscillate (produce sine signal, ideally possible to play in key, without any input signal, created just by resonance feedback)

    Most filter problems are easy to identify when you tweak resonance to max a then you try do some sweeps (fast / slow) .. this is moment when you immediately hear if there is good or bad filter implementation.

    Btw. also some famous companies have sometimes horribly bad filter implementations in their hw synths (roland sh32, sh201, their old MC grooveboxes series)

    Thanks @dendy I’ll have a play with some filters against this list. Especially Bleass as I use this all the time!

    Is there a way to check if a filter can self oscillate?

    Perhaps we need a filter showdown thread!

  • ZerozerozeroZerozerozero

    @dendy said:

    Is there a date for implementation? Doesn’t seem to be available to order from phone yet.

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  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @tja said:

    @Zerozerozero said:

    @dendy said:

    Is there a date for implementation? Doesn’t seem to be available to order from phone yet.

    I think it is "available" only as a pre-order and this seems not to reflect the latest change.

    From the screenshot, I believe this to be implemented already.
    We expect the real thing on friday and sure it will be visible on iPhone then ...

    There was also no new beta for this and last beta shows up as "iPad only" on my phone.

    I replied to their tweet about this and had no reply.

    Then remembered I can just preorder on iPad and it’ll hopefully appear on both devices on Friday!

  • ZerozerozeroZerozerozero

    Ah ok, assume it will filter through at some point, was just curious 👍🏻

  • MadGavMadGav

    @dendy said:

    @MadGav said:
    The idea of a best filter is… difficult. Certainly there is the “does it work right” level but it gets subjective quickly. For instance I currently have 3 filters in my Eurorack - Oberheim SEM-style, Moog-style and Roland-style. There is nothing objectively better about one vs the other, they each sound different in a good and useful way.

    but the idea of good DSP code implementation of filter is not that difficult .. this is btw relevant also for HW dsp synths not just for apps

    good filter implemenation should:

    • to be perfectly smooth for slow sweeps (no stepping) but also for FAST sweeps (two different problems)
    • to not produce non-harmonic distortion (try max resonance on Model D plugin and do sweep cutoff - in top part of Cutoff area there is nasty noise - that's it, bad implementation of filter introducing non-harmonic distortion)
    • option to add saturation to signal (so filter doesn't sound sterile but adds more harmonic frequencies)
    • option to self-oscillate (produce sine signal, ideally possible to play in key, without any input signal, created just by resonance feedback)

    Most filter problems are easy to identify when you tweak resonance to max a then you try do some sweeps (fast / slow) .. this is moment when you immediately hear if there is good or bad filter implementation.

    Btw. also some famous companies have sometimes horribly bad filter implementations in their hw synths (roland sh32, sh201, their old MC grooveboxes series)

    All of this is no more than “clearing the bar”, avoiding being an objectively bad filter. I’d really hope that by 2023 this was universal… (from the perspective of being a VST plug-in dev now over a decade ago and receding in the rear-view mirror 😂)

  • Nathi94Nathi94
    edited April 2023

    I saw on Twitter that price after the pre-order period will be $19,99.

  • erosseross

    so this has a sampler for an oscillator? that could be cool. hopefully kinda like phaseplant ?

  • dendydendy
    edited April 2023

    @eross said:
    so this has a sampler for an oscillator? that could be cool. hopefully kinda like phaseplant ?

    samoler oscillator is just very basic in initial release .. basic settings you see on screenshot + loop points have rombe saved inside wav file .. it literally just plays sample .. granulato is a bit more fun

    no editing inside app .. There are plans for future improvements but nothing specific, no deadline for that ..

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    Just having a play around with the beta. Am I right in thinking there’s no visual feedback on the lfos at all? Not even a blinking light to indicate speed? Or am I missing something?

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @Nathi94 said:

    Btw I saw on Twitter that price after the pre-order period will be $19,99.

    Where did you see that?

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord

    @gregsmith said:
    Just having a play around with the beta. Am I right in thinking there’s no visual feedback on the lfos at all? Not even a blinking light to indicate speed? Or am I missing something?

    You can turn it on in settings, visualise automation I think it’s called

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Just having a play around with the beta. Am I right in thinking there’s no visual feedback on the lfos at all? Not even a blinking light to indicate speed? Or am I missing something?

    You can turn it on in settings, visualise automation I think it’s called

    Ah excellent, thanks. I should probably rtfm 😉

  • Nathi94Nathi94

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Nathi94 said:

    Btw I saw on Twitter that price after the pre-order period will be $19,99.

    Where did you see that?

    Was in the comments of the tweet: Reminder: 6 day left to pre-order

  • CrawlingwindCrawlingwind

    My first app preorder. This is really the only thing on my gas list for quite a while. I must admit, the preorder buzz is a pleasant one - incoming synth later this week!!

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    The dev has just said iPhone support will come shortly after launch. It didn’t make the approved launch release that you can preorder.

  • tk32tk32

    @gregsmith said:
    The dev has just said iPhone support will come shortly after launch. It didn’t make the approved launch release that you can preorder.

    Beta team are just making sure the iphone version is as bulletproof as the ipad version. You won’t have to wait long after release for this functionality to go live - although it does slightly depend on the appstore review/approval process.

    ;)

  • CrawlingwindCrawlingwind

    It’s up 👍

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear
    edited April 2023

    Yum. I see where to save/resave presets. Any chance of favoriting existing ones? (No doubt missing the obvious, as ever...)

  • RedSkyLullabyRedSkyLullaby

  • dendydendy

    i would suggest to move post release discussion here just to avoid duplicite tasks.

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55283/butter-synth-is-released#latest

    @Michael maybe you can close this thread ;)

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