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These are good. Well worth $15 for the revolution pack. Perfect combos for the Iridium, which models Fender, AC30, and Marshall amps. Overwhelming variety, but well-organized and well named for their characteristics (shout out to the "sweet spot" files).
Very useful, thanks
Great job on the video. Very informative. One thing I’d like to add about keeping folders and files organized in IMPULSation is that you can also create descriptive library’s and banks to keep things tidy so you don’t end up with so many files to go through to find what you want. I purchased the rEvolution pack from OwnHammer and did pretty much exactly what you said with the summary folders. It’s a great system to follow but you still end up with close to 100 files to go through. If you put your various folders with their descriptions in banks, in makes it even easier to ultimately find what you’re looking for. IMPULSation actually has a pretty good file management system. I do want to check out Thafknar, though. There does seem to be some advantages in its simplicity.
Thanks again for the great video!
Glad you found it useful. I think the key with getting IRs into your iOS workflow, whatever your method, is to not inundate your IR loader apps with too many files and their coded names, it just gets overwhelming. So trimming and consolidating at the source. Otherwise you’ll be sorting and renaming and deleting single IRs for decades. IMPULSation is certainly great and I could see organizational features inside the app that I hadn’t even explored. Because with IRs sounding exactly the same regardless of app, one tends to just stick with the first app that works or the first app they try. Anyway, people get discouraged by the sheer amount of files that come with a single IR purchase, so this is a good way to trim and benefit. You have to overcome the limitations of iOS file management, basically.
For reverb uses, THAFKNAR can handle true stereo IRs if one has them (requires two stereo IR files made for this purpose) does Impulsation handle that? It also has a number of options for using mono to stereo IRs (the most common form) with various input options (left, right, mix, or stereo). For many cases, the “mix” option is the right one.
IMPULSation does not do true stereo. Here’s what @GospelMusicians said about true stereo that I copied from another thread:
“2. True Stereo support - Right now, you load a stereo WAV/AIFF file as the IR. The left channel of the IR goes on the left channel of the input audio, and the right to the right. True stereo would add twice the CPU to do it correctly and we don't want to add this as CPU is precious.”
If impulsation doesn’t have a mix input option that is a drag, too. Mono-to-stereo IRs (which is what an IR with only two channels is) won’t sound very good if anything in your mix is panned far from the center. If you have, let’s say piano panned hard left and bass hard right, REAL reverb will have piano in the left and right fields and bass in left and right fields. In that case you really want to send a mono mix through the reverb.
Does impulsation provide a mixed input option? If not, I’d stick with THAFKNAR.
If it does, I haven’t found it. I’m relatively new to this whole impulse response scene. I can certainly see the value of the significant improvements you can make to your tone but I’m still learning how best to use it. This forum has been an unbelievable asset in that learning process.
It's a bit of a mission to sift through all the options. I really want to whittle it down to a max of 10 IRs for each cab but that is a mission in itself. How do you all go about it?
I did it on a desktop. I created a folder with one representative for each cabinet from the Summary folder. I created another with a rear and room IR for for each cabinet.
So you don't go through them all to find the perfect one?
Does anyone else get this error loading Ownhammer IR’s in Bias Fx2?
That is literally the exact thing that I and everyone else is telling you to do. When you purchase an impulse response it’s not just one file or one IR, it’s a giant zip folder of hundreds of IRs of the same cabinet. So you can’t download just one or a few IRs. But once you unzip the file and choose your sample rate sub folder (based on the sample rate you want to work in), there’s a folder inside called “Summary”. Those are the 8 impulse responses you want. Is that not what you are looking for? 8 IRs per cabinet, so 48 IRs over 6 cabinets from the rEvolution bundle. Actually that bundle has a few extra IRs which are cabinet mixes, I like the Vox AC15/30 mix Summary IRs a lot.
That’s the manual description for Summary IRs, within that each summary IR has a coded file name with abbreviations that describe characteristics like “mid cut” “dark” etc...(also in the manual picture above). You can watch the video I posted above or read the Wiki links describing this process. It is literally directions for taking 8 IRs per cabinet.
You can’t possibly go through them all in a lifetime. If you think the rEvolution bundle has too many, other IRs of theirs like Zilla has several thousands of IRs. You have to consider 3 different grill cloths and backs opening for the Zilla cabinet as well as 4 sample rate folders for each rendition. It’s a lot of repeats. The point is to take all the “Summary” IRs which are the greatest hits or the “general characteristic of the cabinet”. The Summary IRs are your quick start IRs, and there are 8 of them per folder (get rid of the “right channel sub folder in there, not needed)
Once you explore the summary IRs you may realize you want it to sound darker, or you want something more scooped, or something that is rear micd instead. All of those other IRs you downloaded are engineer specific, for people who want those cabinets with specific mics or specific positions etc... They are not Included to overwhelm us, but rather for technical reasons. For most of us, the “summary” folder of each cabinet is all that we’ll ever need. There’s no such thing as looking for the perfect IR in the way that you’d expect. You can delve into all the other IR folders based on your needs that maybe different from the summary ones. They have a sweet spot mic IR folder. They have IRs captured with certain mics you may want. They have some technically specific IRs for specific recording or engineering needs, like when you want to use a rear and front mic, or a darker frequency mic, etc... in almost every case, the summary IRs already are the perfect ones for thst cabinet. So the exercise is more about taking your cabless bypassed guitar amp sim and cycling through different cabinet brands to find the perfect pairing. For example, for me the Nembrini Bst100 at high gain, paired with the Vox AC15/30 summary IR sounds amazing, and unexpected. It’s extremely important to read the manual attached inside each zip file so you get to know exactly how the IR files extensions are coded and what they describe. Does that help?
No. I use the summary as a starting point and then periodically try a variant if I am finding I need to explore other colors.
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Well let's be honest here. If that doesn't help then what would? Thanks very much. I think RTFM came about because me and my kind.
I don't have a lot of purchased IR files, a few Redwirez, a couple from 3Sigma and Recabinet. I've never looked for it but a Summary folder has never caught my eye before. Is the summary folder an Ownhammer thing or a more commonplace standard?
Not sure honestly, probably only an OwnHammer thing. It’s possible other brands sell just a single .wav file or you get a freebie pack of singles compiled from several companies. I’m a recent IR convert myself, and a recent iOS convert in general, so I’ve gone in collecting the latest and best apps and best IRs anyway. I only have OwnHammer IRs, don’t own any others. I will get the free Redwirez though out of curiosity. But my motto is if you’re gonna get something may as well get the best...
That's why @JoyceRoadStudios has been buying loads of cheap Strat knock-offs from Goodwill! 🤣
But seriously. Besides the Zilla and Revelution collections, which of the Ownhammer offerings do you feel are worth getting???
(From the Black Friday options)
Did you look at the thread we pointed you to about culling files FROM the summary. You don't use all the summary files to start with (that would still be too many files to get through). Search for own hammer on the wiki's Forum Gold page.
Good call on the sweet spot files, I’m gonna have to add those to Thafknar. The key on iOS to make it less overwhelming, besides committing to a sample rate folder, is trimming down and consolidating all the IRs you actually want to use at the source (Files app), and making that smaller file the one you upload into the app. I made the mistake as many have of just unzipping an entire IR purchase inside Thafknar, and scrolling through thousands of IRs is honestly a horrible experience. With the right organization it’s so much more satisfying. Obviously you can easily make a zip file on desktop and move it to iOS, probably much faster to organize.
The Iridium seems like an amazing piece of gear! Reading about it makes me want it so bad. And it already comes with some of my favorite OwnHammers preloaded, Vox and Marshall GNR. So you got the rEvolution bundle and uploaded them via desktop into the Iridium? That is seriously cool. You separated the files on desktop? How many IRs at a time can the Iridium hold on board? Do you send it FOH or frfr or just using headphones?
I missed that sorry. Will go back and look for it.
I highly recommend the Zilla. It’s from the MMMC collection, it features an insane amount of mic combinations, and they captured it with 3 different grill configurations. It’s like several thousand IRs. It’s not a heavy metal or vintage cab, it works with every genre imho. It’s one of those boutiques masterpieces, and as a 4x12 it’s the only one I’d really recommend besides the Marshall which is already in the bundle. I also have the Friedman 6 pack and Bogner Uber duo and those are definitely darker and heavier sounding, though to be honest I haven’t explored them completely.
I also think the rEvolution bundle has you covered. I had considered getting some more collections from the Black Friday sale, like the 2x12 Vox cabs or Core Tone, but if you look at the rEvolution bundle closely, it already has those so there’s a lot of crossover. You’ll notice the bundle already has a 2x12 Vox fawn alnico blue, so buying a whole separate Vox collection just gives you that same cab but with a few more speaker options. All this to say that the rEV bundle has in it already a buffet of cabs that are the same as in the other sale items. Except for the Bogner, Friedman, Zilla. So from my pov I’d recommend the rEV bundle, and Zilla for variety. That has you covered. You could get the creamback alnico Vox, but as I mentioned you should research the crossover in the rEv bundle. You don’t want to double buy the same cabinet, even if there are subtleties between releases.
I didn’t end up buying anything actually, I’m totally covered as far as the sale items. There are a few non sale IRs I want from previous years, but there’s no rush. The Vox AC15/30 combo mix IR form the rEvolution is actually my favorite, as is the Marshall GNR, and of course the Zilla. The Orange and Mesa cabs are darker and heavier. The 4x10 spring reverb is also great. Generally I’m staying away from the bloated dark cabs, or I need more time to figure them out at least.
Thanks @JoyceRoadStudios!
I was going to get that Vox pack, but you make an excellent point there. The Class-A Duo might give a little more variety with the AC15/30 options.
I'm thinking I'll get at least the rEvolution, the 112 DVRB, and (since you have spoken so passionately about it all weekend) the Zilla!
Nooo!!! Lol don’t pull the trigger yet
@SNystrom Look very carefully at the rEvolution bundle. The exact cabs from Class A duo are already in the bundle. The 112DVRB is also already in the bundle. Also read the part about the “Extras” from the rEv bundle. On top of the six, you also get free extra mix IRs, like the AC15/30!
The difference between the bundle and single cab collections, is those come with more speaker varieties. But being earlier releases they don’t have the 500ms true stereo files, only the rEv bundle does. You following me???
Get those Vox and Fender IRs if you want all the speaker varieties, but the rEv already has you covered with those exact cabs.
Okay. My wallet thanks you!