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First time using MagicDeathEye Compressor and 6144 EQ!

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  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:
    From https://www.masteringthemix.com/blogs/learn/76296773-mastering-audio-for-soundcloud-itunes-spotify-and-youtube it seems that -1 dBTP seems to be valid.

    Better use oversampling and look-ahead in the Limiter, but using "True Peek" should take care of that, I believe (if possible as option).

    Thanks for sharing that link. Useful reading material right there!

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  • onerezonerez

    I like this. Great work!!!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @McD said:

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Thanks @McD! I’m happy to hear MDES is doing what it’s supposed to do then! Mind if I ask; what are you listening to it on, since you mentioned it’s not iOS?

    MacBook Pro with $50 headphones that have large magnets (i.e. they can loud). Not necessarily flat but lot's of bass. I bought them because they are bluetooth and support
    a cable to a second headset so 2 people can watch TV with Bluetooth for the wireless connection. Great idea that we rarely use but I use them to watch TV when others are sleeping.

    Cool. Do you notice any clipping with this track using those? I know you said you can crank it pretty loud.

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  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @tja said:
    From https://www.masteringthemix.com/blogs/learn/76296773-mastering-audio-for-soundcloud-itunes-spotify-and-youtube it seems that -1 dBTP seems to be valid.

    Better use oversampling and look-ahead in the Limiter, but using "True Peek" should take care of that, I believe (if possible as option).

    Thanks for sharing that link. Useful reading material right there!

    AUM has a Limiter, as effect and then Dynamics, but it has the output ceiling hardcoded, IIRC - not sure at which level.

    When I dabble around, I use FabFilter Pro-L2, but Toneboosters Barricade seems to be valid too.
    The DDMF Limiter.... is visually and in regards to options, a bit limited ;)
    But of course a matter of taste.

    There is also the Amazing Noises Limiter.

    Thanks. I knew about the limiter in AUM, but never think to use it. The others are out of reach for now, as I just looked at my wallet and it gave me the finger lol..

    @onerez said:
    I like this. Great work!!!

    Thanks again!

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  • McDMcD

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Cool. Do you notice any clipping with this track using those? I know you said you can crank it pretty loud.

    Nothing obvious... maybe a touch on the big bass transients near the end... but only if I'm listening for any hint of my headphones hitting some physical excursion limit or the music having a bit of clip. It's loud but still very sonorous.

  • reasOnereasOne

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @reasOne said:
    this is great man!

    Thanks man! The fun was in Cykle’s generative randomness, as well as some probability settings on the snare in Drum Computer. It another subtle thing where I applied the probability to the snare on the second off beat on the first pattern, then the first off beat on the second pattern.

    man i just bumped this is my car and wow it sounds finished! the drums are hard the bass is heavy but clear and the melody cuts thru.. on top of that this is my kinda music so! 10/10 dude please make an album for me to listen to!!!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:
    $1.99 is out of reach?

    App "Limiter - Audio Processor"

    Developer: Amazing Noises
    URL: https://apps.apple.com/app/limiter-audio-processor/id945375756

    Minimum OS Version: 11.0
    Universal: Yes
    Price: $1.99

    DESCRIPTION:

    Audiobus and Inter-App Audio Effect.
    A brickwall peak limiting app, for the complete control of your audio volume.
    New Sampler! Now you can use the app as a standalone.

    The Amazing Noises Limiter it has a wide range of dynamic processing:
    from very gentle volume attenuation to heavy distortion (if you want it!).

    Main Features:

    • AudioUnit V3, Audiobus and Inter-App Audio support
    • Brickwall Limiter
    • Live Normalizer
    • Built In Stereo Sampler with varispeed
    • Control Manager LFO for Parameters
    • Midibus, Virtual Midi and Network: 14 bit NRPN controllers
    • Snapshots Presets Morphing Pad

    RELEASE NOTES: Version 3.2

    • AUv3: the bybass toggle does not affect anymore the gain input
    • Ableton Link Network Permission enabled in iOS 14 and higher

    lol I could probably scrape up another 2 bucks I guess. Adds up though as I’m sure you know.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/27375/in-praise-of-the-amazing-noises-auv3-limiter-audio-processor-app-for-2-99

    Ok so after reading the comments in that thread and the reviews on the App Store, I went ahead and grabbed it. You talked me into it lol!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @McD said:

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Cool. Do you notice any clipping with this track using those? I know you said you can crank it pretty loud.

    Nothing obvious... maybe a touch on the big bass transients near the end... but only if I'm listening for any hint of my headphones hitting some physical excursion limit or the music having a bit of clip. It's loud but still very sonorous.

    Thanks for the report. Taking notes...

  • rs2000rs2000

    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @reasOne said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @reasOne said:
    this is great man!

    Thanks man! The fun was in Cykle’s generative randomness, as well as some probability settings on the snare in Drum Computer. It another subtle thing where I applied the probability to the snare on the second off beat on the first pattern, then the first off beat on the second pattern.

    man i just bumped this is my car and wow it sounds finished! the drums are hard the bass is heavy but clear and the melody cuts thru.. on top of that this is my kinda music so! 10/10 dude please make an album for me to listen to!!!

    Thanks man! I’m so glad you tried it out in your car! That was the first thing I did (mentioned in OP) because I wanted to see if I could really hear what MDES was doing as this piece was my first attempt at using it, and trying to be serious about my sound. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised, as a lot of my previous recordings sound a whole lot different in the car versus either my apple earbuds, the iPad or iPhone speakers, or through my mid/low end Samson studio cans that I use when recording.

  • McDMcD

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    You've got really good monitors, right? So you can hear clipping. I assumed my headphones
    were just being pushed too hard and crapping out on the kick drum peaks.

    Other than that it's a pretty nice mix, IMHO. Just a little extra compression in the MDES should fix it... dial back the output knob a touch.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @McD said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    You've got really good monitors, right? So you can hear clipping. I assumed my headphones
    were just being pushed too hard and crapping out on the kick drum peaks.

    Other than that it's a pretty nice mix, IMHO. Just a little extra compression in the MDES should fix it... dial back the output knob a touch.

    No, I just turned down the headphones level and the clipping was still there so... y'know.
    It does sound punchy, no question :#

    @Intrepolicious I'd love to hear them compared to similar AUv3 FX but thanks for posting the video anyway.

  • onerezonerez

    So... gave a listen on my DT pros.... I think that the kick is clipping in the video... but then I listen on my monitors and not so much. Then in my car didn’t sound too bad.... right on the edge.

    @Intrepolicious still its a rocking track !!!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    Severe? Hmm FWIW, the Kick drum sound in Drum Computer does have a distorted element to it.
    Either way, I’ll have to run it through again and see if I can dial that clip back a little.

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  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @rs2000 said:

    @McD said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious I'd love to hear them compared to similar AUv3 FX but thanks for posting the video anyway.

    I’m sure exactly what you mean. You mean try the same piece with a different compressor and EQs?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    Severe? Hmm FWIW, the Kick drum sound in Drum Computer does have a distorted element to it.
    Either way, I’ll have to run it through again and see if I can dial that clip back a little.

    Oh yeah, it could be your deliberate decision, I've heard two or three commercial songs that had it too! What sounds like sound apocalypse to an audio engineer may be appreciated by average pop music listeners, you never know.

    I’m sure exactly what you mean. You mean try the same piece with a different compressor and EQs?

    Yes, make the mix sound virtually "identical" with other AUFX.
    Not to prove me anything, just to get a clearer picture about the "special hot sauce" in 6144 and MDES.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @onerez said:
    So... gave a listen on my DT pros.... I think that the kick is clipping in the video... but then I listen on my monitors and not so much. Then in my car didn’t sound too bad.... right on the edge.

    @Intrepolicious still its a rocking track !!!

    This discussion is exactly what I hoped would happen. There’s no better way to learn how to use these tools, than by having some extra ears and listening perspectives.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    Severe? Hmm FWIW, the Kick drum sound in Drum Computer does have a distorted element to it.
    Either way, I’ll have to run it through again and see if I can dial that clip back a little.

    Oh yeah, it could be your deliberate decision, I've heard two or three commercial songs that had it too! What sounds like sound apocalypse to an audio engineer may be appreciated by average pop music listeners, you never know.

    I’m sure exactly what you mean. You mean try the same piece with a different compressor and EQs?

    Yes, make the mix sound virtually "identical" with other AUFX.
    Not to prove me anything, just to get a clearer picture about the "special hot sauce" in 6144 and MDES.

    Ah, gotcha. About the kick sound, you know how Drum Computer is right, for a bass drum sound I cycled through so many sounds using the “random” dice thing under “kick” sounds, and you get results ranging from a duck quacking to an elephant farting. I settled on this kinda crackly sounding thud for my kick sound. So maybe it’s that, or maybe it IS clipping. Is there a good meter type app I could run the sound through to get the best visual on clipping? What do you use?

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited December 2020

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    Severe? Hmm FWIW, the Kick drum sound in Drum Computer does have a distorted element to it.
    Either way, I’ll have to run it through again and see if I can dial that clip back a little.

    Oh yeah, it could be your deliberate decision, I've heard two or three commercial songs that had it too! What sounds like sound apocalypse to an audio engineer may be appreciated by average pop music listeners, you never know.

    I’m sure exactly what you mean. You mean try the same piece with a different compressor and EQs?

    Yes, make the mix sound virtually "identical" with other AUFX.
    Not to prove me anything, just to get a clearer picture about the "special hot sauce" in 6144 and MDES.

    Ah, gotcha. About the kick sound, you know how Drum Computer is right, for a bass drum sound I cycled through so many sounds using the “random” dice thing under “kick” sounds, and you get results ranging from a duck quacking to an elephant farting. I settled on this kinda crackly sounding thud for my kick sound. So maybe it’s that, or maybe it IS clipping. Is there a good meter type app I could run the sound through to get the best visual on clipping? What do you use?

    My ears.
    If you have an audio chain that has a clipping spot somewhere on the path, an oscilloscope might help, or just a regular VU peak meter. Another easy test is to turn down all volumes in the chain and turn up each one, from start to end, until you hear clipping. Keep at least 6..10dB headroom, depending on how the source levels can fluctuate.
    Also google "gain staging" for typical approaches.

    BTW I love the random button in DrumComputer :smiley:

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:
    I bought Cykle :o

    Awesome! You’re gonna have a blast with it!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Am I the only one to hear severe kick drum clipping in the video?
    I wonder how much different 6144 and MDES are different from other similar FX...
    I mean, a good EQ and compressor can do a lot already ;)

    Severe? Hmm FWIW, the Kick drum sound in Drum Computer does have a distorted element to it.
    Either way, I’ll have to run it through again and see if I can dial that clip back a little.

    Oh yeah, it could be your deliberate decision, I've heard two or three commercial songs that had it too! What sounds like sound apocalypse to an audio engineer may be appreciated by average pop music listeners, you never know.

    I’m sure exactly what you mean. You mean try the same piece with a different compressor and EQs?

    Yes, make the mix sound virtually "identical" with other AUFX.
    Not to prove me anything, just to get a clearer picture about the "special hot sauce" in 6144 and MDES.

    Ah, gotcha. About the kick sound, you know how Drum Computer is right, for a bass drum sound I cycled through so many sounds using the “random” dice thing under “kick” sounds, and you get results ranging from a duck quacking to an elephant farting. I settled on this kinda crackly sounding thud for my kick sound. So maybe it’s that, or maybe it IS clipping. Is there a good meter type app I could run the sound through to get the best visual on clipping? What do you use?

    My ears.
    If you have an audio chain that has a clipping spot somewhere on the path, an oscilloscope might help, or just a regular VU peak meter. Another easy test is to turn down all volumes in the chain and turn up each one, from start to end, until you hear clipping. Keep at least 6..10dB headroom, depending on how the source levels can fluctuate.
    Also google "gain staging" for typical approaches.

    BTW I love the random button in DrumComputer :smiley:

    I figured. I can usually single out clipping by ear as well most of the time. I guess it’s hard to distinguish a raunchy distorted hit from a signal clip in some cases. This is why I figured a good visual meter app would be useful. I have known about gain staging for some time and always try to keep those principles in mind while recording.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @tja said:

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @tja said:
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/27375/in-praise-of-the-amazing-noises-auv3-limiter-audio-processor-app-for-2-99


    Ok so after reading the comments in that thread and the reviews on the App Store, I went ahead and grabbed it. You talked me into it lol!

    That's the purpose of this forum, or?

    You made me buy Cykle, which is more expensive :D :)

    Touché!

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @tja said:
    $1.99 is out of reach?

    App "Limiter - Audio Processor"

    Developer: Amazing Noises
    URL: https://apps.apple.com/app/limiter-audio-processor/id945375756

    Minimum OS Version: 11.0
    Universal: Yes
    Price: $1.99

    DESCRIPTION:

    Audiobus and Inter-App Audio Effect.
    A brickwall peak limiting app, for the complete control of your audio volume.
    New Sampler! Now you can use the app as a standalone.

    The Amazing Noises Limiter it has a wide range of dynamic processing:
    from very gentle volume attenuation to heavy distortion (if you want it!).

    Main Features:

    • AudioUnit V3, Audiobus and Inter-App Audio support
    • Brickwall Limiter
    • Live Normalizer
    • Built In Stereo Sampler with varispeed
    • Control Manager LFO for Parameters
    • Midibus, Virtual Midi and Network: 14 bit NRPN controllers
    • Snapshots Presets Morphing Pad

    RELEASE NOTES: Version 3.2

    • AUv3: the bybass toggle does not affect anymore the gain input
    • Ableton Link Network Permission enabled in iOS 14 and higher

    lol I could probably scrape up another 2 bucks I guess. Adds up though as I’m sure you know.

    Just a wafer thin mint, Sir!

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Intrepolicious In that case I'm quite sure it's a property of the DC kick. No worries, it just didn't sound "right" to me.

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