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Drambo is an AU host now / the new Drambo mega thread

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  • @Vlad11 said:
    @giku_beepstreet I have a problem trying to download drambo on macos big sur. It says that I have to pay.. ¿? again? It is a bug on app store? I already payed for the app when came out. So... any way of fixing this?

    I had same. Risked it and pressed buy at which point it told me I had already purchased and could download free

  • Its AppStore area, out of my control. Open App Store app on your Mac, then go to your profile/account (bottom/left). There are 2 lists of purchased apps: Mac Apps and iPhone, iPad apps. Select Drambo and download.

  • Ok I hate to do this but I need to bump this question.....

    Ok so being a DramVirgin..... 😀. So i understand the concept of P-Locs and I am able to do them, but is there a way you can see what you have done in real time movement? Example of a bunch of P-locks on a cutoff filter. Is there a way for you to see it actually move instead of just highlighting letting you know it has it on it?

  • Is there a way to "MIDI map Drambo to itself"? Like, if I want to use the pads to mute/unmute a sequence, is there a way to record that without using an external sequencer?

  • @onerez said:
    Ok I hate to do this but I need to bump this question.....

    Ok so being a DramVirgin..... 😀. So i understand the concept of P-Locs and I am able to do them, but is there a way you can see what you have done in real time movement? Example of a bunch of P-locks on a cutoff filter. Is there a way for you to see it actually move instead of just highlighting letting you know it has it on it?

    No I don't think so unfortunately. I know what you mean, I'd like to see what's happening too, but I think I read this is to make processing the data more efficient and helps with cpu load. I'd like a setting which enables this view so you could choose to see it on higher powered devices though :)

  • edited December 2020

    @Skyblazer said:
    Is there a way to "MIDI map Drambo to itself"? Like, if I want to use the pads to mute/unmute a sequence, is there a way to record that without using an external sequencer?

    What do you mean by sequence? If you mean track, then just make the Mute button red and then tap the pads to mute/unmute. Edit: ah, maybe you want to have this recorded, I see.

  • edited December 2020

    @onerez said:
    Ok I hate to do this but I need to bump this question.....

    Ok so being a DramVirgin..... 😀. So i understand the concept of P-Locs and I am able to do them, but is there a way you can see what you have done in real time movement? Example of a bunch of P-locks on a cutoff filter. Is there a way for you to see it actually move instead of just highlighting letting you know it has it on it?

    You don't see the Drambo-mapped knob being moved, but keep the AU in view and see that the plugin knob does move in real-time with these P-locks. At least the one I just tried.

  • @bleep said:

    @onerez said:
    Ok I hate to do this but I need to bump this question.....

    Ok so being a DramVirgin..... 😀. So i understand the concept of P-Locs and I am able to do them, but is there a way you can see what you have done in real time movement? Example of a bunch of P-locks on a cutoff filter. Is there a way for you to see it actually move instead of just highlighting letting you know it has it on it?

    You don't see the Drambo-mapped knob being moved, but keep the AU in view and see that the plugin knob does move in real-time with these P-locks. At least the one I just tried.

    oh great, I've not tried this yet, but that's good to know :)

  • edited December 2020

    @veitz said:
    Thank you Wim. It was another mistake... now it works everything. Is all so wow.... ;-)

    @Skyblazer said:
    Is there a way to "MIDI map Drambo to itself"? Like, if I want to use the pads to mute/unmute a sequence, is there a way to record that without using an external sequencer?

    Yes, it can be done, but not internally. It will require midi loopback either in Aum, or with an app like FreEwi or Miditools. I’ve used loopback to map notes on the sequencer to switch patterns, thus creating a song mode.

    I recall Giku mentioned once, a long time ago, that internal loopback would possibly be implemented in the future. It’s one feature I’m actually highly anticipating.

  • @bleep said:

    @onerez said:
    Ok I hate to do this but I need to bump this question.....

    Ok so being a DramVirgin..... 😀. So i understand the concept of P-Locs and I am able to do them, but is there a way you can see what you have done in real time movement? Example of a bunch of P-locks on a cutoff filter. Is there a way for you to see it actually move instead of just highlighting letting you know it has it on it?

    You don't see the Drambo-mapped knob being moved, but keep the AU in view and see that the plugin knob does move in real-time with these P-locks. At least the one I just tried.

    Right I did know this as I stumbled across it. I should have made my question clearer... it would be nice to see the Drambo Knob move or what ever it P-Locked. I am curious what the CPU hit is by the GUI of the AU showing movement like normal. I thought I read that more automation is coming to Drambo so I will be chill.... Heck I have like 98% more to learn about the app 😂

  • edited December 2020

    @sigma79 said:
    Do you need Serum. Or is wave upgrade ( oscilator, filter and effect ) good to go?

    After you've purchased the Wavetable oscillator, you'll have more than 40 hand-picked factory wavetables included with it. "Serum" means that you can load Serum compatible wavetables into the oscillator too, and there are thousands on the internet.
    Now what's even better: You can load your own wave files!
    The file you load will be split up into chunks of 2048 samples so if you want to import your own waveforms, cut each to 2048 samples length, append them in your favorite wave editor (I recommend NanoStudio 2) and load them in the Drambo WT Oscillator. You will be able to "scroll through" these waveforms using the index knob.

    The wave effects allow you to mangle, bend, shape, tweak, abuse your wavetable waveforms in different ways, you might like it 😊

  • Hi, I think something like this has been asked in the past but I can't find the thread, apologies.

    Before I start really digging into trying to learn this thing can someone explain why Drambo is so great. I am not doubting that it is, everyone seems really enthused, and from tinkering with it in the past it seems very very deep. But I still don't think I understand the love that it evokes.

    Is it purely for the love of making your own racks/instruments/effects? That is, is it more the fun of the process rather than the output? Is it for the control you have over what you can do? Is there stuff you can do with audio that you can't do by stringing a load of plugins together? Is it having a sequence integrated with all the modules?

    Let me put it like this. I once heard a standup comedian say why anyone would bother to learn to cook chinese food for themselves, when they could just go to a restaurant. If you learn yourself it takes a load of time, and it won't be as good as the restaurant food anyway.

    Why is it not the same thing with Drambo vs effects and instruments that I could buy? I could spend hours making my own FM synth, but it is not going to be as good as something that I could buy from sugarbytes or whoever.

    Just to reiterate –I am not in anyway dismissing or criticising the product. I just can't quite get what it is that people love so much.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Do you need Serum. Or is wave upgrade ( oscilator, filter and effect ) good to go?

    After you've purchased the Wavetable oscillator, you'll have more than 40 hand-picked factory wavetables included with it. "Serum" means that you can load Serum compatible wavetables into the oscillator too, and there are thousands on the internet.
    Now what's even better: You can load your own wave files!
    The file you load will be split up into chunks of 2048 samples so if you want to import your own waveforms, cut each to 2048 samples length, append them in your favorite wave editor (I recommend NanoStudio 2) and load them in the Drambo WT Oscillator. You will be able to "scroll through" these waveforms using the index knob.

    The wave effects allow you to mangle, bend, shape, tweak, abuse your wavetable waveforms in different ways, you might like it 😊

    Might buy as I think im using drambo synths now. Thanks rs2000.

  • @nickneek have you tried the p-locking workflow? It is very quick and intuitive; hold down a step and turn the knob. With the new AU hosting you get a lot out of Drambo by just doing this, never mind all that building stuff (which you don't need to do). Besides, there are plenty good stuff on patchstorage, much like Mozaic (you don't have to code yourself to make Mozaic useful).

  • edited December 2020

    @nickneek said:
    ...
    Is it purely for the love of making your own racks/instruments/effects? That is, is it more the fun of the process rather than the output?

    That's a great part of it for sure. Songs happened more like happy accidents to me. I'm running Gadget when I have a musical idea in mind and I run Drambo when I have an idea of some sound that I would like to make or I'm just not inspired enough to write a song from scratch.

    Is it for the control you have over what you can do? Is there stuff you can do with audio that you can't do by stringing a load of plugins together? Is it having a sequence integrated with all the modules?

    Oh yes, both, and these are very strong points.

    Let me put it like this. I once heard a standup comedian say why anyone would bother to learn to cook chinese food for themselves, when they could just go to a restaurant. If you learn yourself it takes a load of time, and it won't be as good as the restaurant food anyway.

    The decision is completely up to you. If you don't like cooking then just choose from all the nice ready-made plugins on the AppStore.

    Why is it not the same thing with Drambo vs effects and instruments that I could buy? I could spend hours making my own FM synth, but it is not going to be as good as something that I could buy from sugarbytes or whoever.

    Not true. You can build instruments as good as or better than what is available on the AppStore.
    There are only a few synths or FX that cannot be done 100% in Drambo.
    If you don't want to spend the time learning much about modular synthesis then there is still an incredible collection of Drambo artwork on patchstorage.com.

    Just to reiterate –I am not in anyway dismissing or criticising the product. I just can't quite get what it is that people love so much.

    It's probably a similar case as with AUM: Some swear by it for music composition, others don't understand how it would ever replace a "true DAW".
    There is no such thing as the "best DAW". It's too much of a personal choice.

  • @nickneek I have the same question and that is a great analogy. I would like to know what folks mean when they say “Good Bye AUM” or statements like that... I am curious to see and hear examples. I 100% am not downing on Drambo.... it is because I never was a Groovebox person and I’m frustrated at myself for not having it click with me yet.

  • @bleep Interesting, when I start playing around I'll keep this in mind. Maybe this is one of the first things I should try to get a grip on.

    @rs2000 Thanks for all that, very clear (and that's an impressive number of patches you've got up on patchstorage)

    @onerez good to know I am not the only one.

    Thanks in advance to anyone else who might reply. I have to be away from wifi for a while, I'll check back later.

  • Am I doing something wrong or are all MIDI plug-ins just transmitting on channel 1? Tried LK and Rozeta XOX with a mozaic channel filter afterwards, all tracks in LK are merged to channel one and XOX transmits on channel 1 even though it’s set to channel 10.

  • Outstanding. Thanks @giku_beepstreet, you're an inspiration :)

  • @SheffieldBleep said:

    @Vlad11 said:
    @giku_beepstreet I have a problem trying to download drambo on macos big sur. It says that I have to pay.. ¿? again? It is a bug on app store? I already payed for the app when came out. So... any way of fixing this?

    I had same. Risked it and pressed buy at which point it told me I had already purchased and could download free

    Buff.. I pressed and it ask me if I was sure to pay. I didn't have the guts to keep pushing my good fortune. I will wait to see what will happen ... I'm sure its a bug.

  • @kveis said:
    Am I doing something wrong or are all MIDI plug-ins just transmitting on channel 1? Tried LK and Rozeta XOX with a mozaic channel filter afterwards, all tracks in LK are merged to channel one and XOX transmits on channel 1 even though it’s set to channel 10.

    I am getting weird results too, but I thought maybe Drambo was ignoring midi channels on AU midi plugin output.

  • This one of the most AUv3 filled Drambo sessions I've seen so far...

    My iPad Air 2 would just give up :D

  • I am really blown away... this AU Hosting is definitely one of the best things that happened lately in regards of updates ;)

    As a Drambo noob, is there a way to show all the channels als sliders instead of the knobs in the channels sections (these master knobs)?
    That would be nice. But i could possible hook up a controller too...

  • @nickneek said:
    Let me put it like this. I once heard a standup comedian say why anyone would bother to learn to cook chinese food for themselves, when they could just go to a restaurant. If you learn yourself it takes a load of time, and it won't be as good as the restaurant food anyway.

    Why is it not the same thing with Drambo vs effects and instruments that I could buy? I could spend hours making my own FM synth, but it is not going to be as good as something that I could buy from sugarbytes or whoever.

    I get it, but why even stop there. I spend hours learning how to make my own music, but it will never be as good as music I could just listen to.
    😆

  • @CracklePot said:

    @nickneek said:
    Let me put it like this. I once heard a standup comedian say why anyone would bother to learn to cook chinese food for themselves, when they could just go to a restaurant. If you learn yourself it takes a load of time, and it won't be as good as the restaurant food anyway.

    Why is it not the same thing with Drambo vs effects and instruments that I could buy? I could spend hours making my own FM synth, but it is not going to be as good as something that I could buy from sugarbytes or whoever.

    I get it, but why even stop there. I spend hours learning how to make my own music, but it will never be as good as music I could just listen to.
    😆

    Music that was created with groovebox presets by a ghost producer of the ghost producer who was picked by the “artist” for being the cheapest.

  • @nickneek said:
    @bleep Interesting, when I start playing around I'll keep this in mind. Maybe this is one of the first things I should try to get a grip on.

    I suggest adding your favorite drums and distortion AU to a track, do some AU knob mapping in this Drambo style (cutoff, reso, distortion mix etc.), then start playing around with various p-lock values. Note that they can be on any step, there does not need to be a note there. You'll pick it up easily:)

    @rs2000 (or anyone else), I thought I had seen a setting where one could say that a p-lock value should linearly transform to its next value, instead of the sudden jumps. Maybe I'm dreaming, and this needs automation curves support?

  • @jolico said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @nickneek said:
    Let me put it like this. I once heard a standup comedian say why anyone would bother to learn to cook chinese food for themselves, when they could just go to a restaurant. If you learn yourself it takes a load of time, and it won't be as good as the restaurant food anyway.

    Why is it not the same thing with Drambo vs effects and instruments that I could buy? I could spend hours making my own FM synth, but it is not going to be as good as something that I could buy from sugarbytes or whoever.

    I get it, but why even stop there. I spend hours learning how to make my own music, but it will never be as good as music I could just listen to.
    😆

    Music that was created with groovebox presets by a ghost producer of the ghost producer who was picked by the “artist” for being the cheapest.

    Definitely not the kind of music I had in mind.
    I was thinking of music I actually like, but did not make.
    There is a hell of a lot of it out there, with plenty more to discover.

    Yet, here I am, happily toiling and tweaking my life away.
    😊

  • @CracklePot said:

    @kveis said:
    Am I doing something wrong or are all MIDI plug-ins just transmitting on channel 1? Tried LK and Rozeta XOX with a mozaic channel filter afterwards, all tracks in LK are merged to channel one and XOX transmits on channel 1 even though it’s set to channel 10.

    I am getting weird results too, but I thought maybe Drambo was ignoring midi channels on AU midi plugin output.

    It is a known bug. Fix is on the todo list

  • edited December 2020

    @david_2017 said:
    I am really blown away... this AU Hosting is definitely one of the best things that happened lately in regards of updates ;)

    As a Drambo noob, is there a way to show all the channels als sliders instead of the knobs in the channels sections (these master knobs)?
    That would be nice. But i could possible hook up a controller too...

    Sure, just add as many sliders as you need to the main track and route them to the track level knobs like this:

    @bleep said:
    @rs2000 (or anyone else), I thought I had seen a setting where one could say that a p-lock value should linearly transform to its next value, instead of the sudden jumps. Maybe I'm dreaming, and this needs automation curves support?

    Not yet but if you want more advanced parameter control or automation, you'll have much more fun with
    Modulator > Graphic Modulator.
    It can be synced to the beat, it has an adjustable grid with snap mode and you can draw all kinds of curves inside it.
    If you need more of them on the same track, you can place them inside the Mixer > Layers module, connect each one to the Layers output and add a Mixer > Switch N-1 behind to switch between them as you like. You can automate the switch so you can even switch between different automation curves live or sequenced. You could even switch between them using another Graphic Modulator or LFO connected to the "Index" input of the N-1 switch. I hope your head doesn't explode yet 🤯

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