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@audiblevideo Thanks!
What a nice review (just received for the Windows version of Wotja)
"I never got the urge to review an app so much before" - "After using the free version with the online documentation there was no hesitation to purchase. This app is so deep, flexible and the best documentation I've ever seen. I believe it is under priced for how flexible it is so I got the Android version as well for on the go. Going to be using this is my college degree research on generative music. Thanks Guys:D"
That sort of feedback keeps us going
... right, back to my Wotja FX Editor re-architecture (!)...
Best wishes to all,
Pete
Your dog looks like Nick Cave if he were a cream-colored good boy.
@JeffChasteen He is indeed a very good boy....
I have been using Wotja as a sample source for some hip-hop beats...here's a live jam that uses this workflow.
Hi folks, Tim has been hard at work, re-thinking the way do Tutorials for Wotja 21.
If you're interested to see the state of progress, do please take a look!
https://intermorphic.com/wotja/21/guide/#tutorials
Best wishes,
Pete
Didn’t realise this place existed till recently so thought I should introduce myself.
I’m Mark. I do a lot of the sound design and synth presets for Wotja (and it’s ancestors).
Since the old IM forum ended there hasn’t really been a place for active discussion about sound programming and suchlike in Wotja. Making this thread on this place possibly the best option for now.
So if you’ve got anything you want chat about re the ISE and wotjas sound content (current and future!) fire away and I’ll do my best.
Welcome, Mark!
Wotja is a brilliant piece of work. You have to prepare yourself to give it some attention, since it can be complicated. But it's worth it, you can do so many things with it. I'm just a beginner but I can see the potential.
Wotja is a fantastic app, and I appreciate the updated User Guide, but some video guides for the 2021 version of the app would be very useful.
TImes the full one thousand. Really needed.
Hi Pete ... this looks interesting.
After using Wotja Pro for about 18 months I still feel there are large areas of mystery.ánd areas that I still can't work out what they do. What I feel is really needed is some big picture things, that show a conceptual framework, preferably in a more visual way, to help establish a framework for what Wotja is and does. The detail can then hang off that framework, filling in details. Wotja is quite a unique app and there are significant areas of its functionality that don't overlap with other music apps, so can't benefit from transferable learning from elsewhere.
Also a glossary of terms would be very useful. Although the manual is comprehensive, it often explains Wotja terms in terms of other Wotja terms, and it can be hard to break into that loop, especially for complete beginners. So I go in search of what Term 1 means to help me understand wat Term 2 means, which I need to understand what Term 3 means etc. This can be quite tiring and it's the reason I've tried and given up a few times to get into Wotja, but I'm determined to persevere.
Hiring someone like Tom Cosm to do some videos would be great i.e. someone who didn't create the app, and who doesn't already know it inside out, and can perhaps more easily explain it from a newcomer's point of view?
I think the new materials still have more of a "reference" than a "tutorial" feel for me. Useful, but I'd still love some tutorial material which helps build a conceptual framework for the app, and show how the different elements fit together.
What I would also really like is e.g. some mid-level tutorials about Generators, maybe building up examples from the ground up, showing how the different kinds of Generators work to pick notes, and how the rules interact as Wotja decides what notes to pick next etc. It seems that the Generators are the heart of Wotja - and where most of the alchemy is, and where most of the explanation is needed, and where learning progress is the most challenging.
I dont' mean to sound negative in any way, as I am a big Wotja fan - but speaking as an educator myself, and also as a Wotja user who has had many attempts to get into Wotja, and is very slowly making sense of it, I think there may be an opening for something that could help people get up to speed more quickly. I hope it might also help bring in more sales for you.
Happy to discuss!
And thanks again for bringing Wotja and all the added value it receives every year. Keep up the good work!
@craftycurate brilliant summation and absolutely on the money. This is the best encouragement/advice you could give to help make this app accessible (and therefore saleable) to the slightly somewhat more mainstream. And me.
Thanks for the feedback folks - very useful food for thought!
Pete
BTW, have any of you found the Synthesis tutorial useful?
https://intermorphic.com/wotja/21/engine/ise/#ise-tutorial1
My recollection is that Mark actually wrote this for us a long (long!) time back - he is very talented
Pete
@JohnnyGoodyear @Pierre118 @craftycurate @richiehoop ... and all the rest of you!
I've been thinking about creating a new section of the Wotja documentation, something called “The Wotja Book”. That would contain easy-to-read descriptions of Wotja terminology, approaches, etc. There could be links to the main docs, but it’d be a lot less focused on technical specifics of buttons, sliders and screen layouts; and more about explaining what things are, what they do, how they work. And it’d be where you go to find answers like “How do I do this”?
It sounds like such a document would be a really useful thing for all of you (and, no doubt, for many others...)
The problem, as always, is knowing where to start. I figured that if you have any specific questions you want answered, things explained, words defined, you can ask here, and I'll try to explain, and can use those snippets to start padding-out the book.
So, ask away... if you want to make sure I see the question, make sure to @ me!
Best wishes,
Pete
Thanks @impete . Firstly, can I say that the comment above by @craftycurate reflects my views far more succinctly than I could express them.
I had another look at the Synthesis tutorial you mentioned. Part 1 is largely theoretical stuff that I'm personally familiar with (though users new to synthesis in general might find it useful), and, as for part 2, when I tried to follow it I hit a roadblock straight away. The tutorial says to create a new mix from Menu > New, and then select from a pop-up list of templates. When I try to create a new mix, the choices are 'Mix (Automatic)', 'Mix (From Clipboard)', and 'Empty Mix (Cut-up Text)', so I'm already confused. I guess the problem arises from the fact that it's an old tutorial, as you mentioned, and it has been brought forward unedited to the Wotja 21 documentation.
The Wotja Book sounds like it could be useful, but I think that video tutorials are a better idea. In the last couple of years I'm been focusing on VCV Rack, and I've gone from a complete beginner to at least being able to take the stabilizer wheels off entirely by watching videos, especially those by Omri Cohen, which are a model for how these things should be done. I know it's not easy to make successful tutorial videos, but I think it would be worth it for Intermorphic to pay a professional to make a series of such videos, because it seems to me that the thing that puts most people off Wotja is it's apparent complexity. Like the app itself, the documentation is dense and comprehensive, but daunting.
The videos should be short and entirely practical, initially focusing on things as simple as how to create a very basic mix, how to make small edits to a mix and so on, IMHO.
+1
I can see scope for both the Wotja book as well as video. As a parallel, Tom Cosm's Sugar Bytes videos really opened up those apps for me, but the manual is also vital.
Hi folks! We're plugging away with your feedback.
For starters (thanks @craftycurate), we've now started building-up a Glossary of Terms... which is here:
https://intermorphic.com/wotja/21/guide/#glossary
Best wishes,
Pete
We're also expanding the tutorials - Tim is trying to keep each of these bite-size, so they don't get too complicated!
The link is here:
https://intermorphic.com/wotja/21/guide/#tutorials
Best wishes,
Pete
Note that we're using Animated GIFs rather than videos, as that way they're easy to embed in our documentation; you don't need to go off to YouTube to see them...
Off to look at Tim's efforts, but appreciate you doing this. More coffee!
Thanks @JohnnyGoodyear ... y'all just need to bear in mind that this stuff takes a long time to do ... but we're super-grateful for the feedback, and will do what we can...!
Best wishes,
Pete
Thank you @impete ! Hopefully these improvements will bring more people into Wotja!
@god that'd be very good indeed
Longish post
I’ve been thinking about easier and hopefully more interesting ways to create rhythmic beds in Wotja. It’s at a very early stage but I thought it might be worth sharing where things are at and to see what interest there might be in pursuing this concept.
What I’m thinking is that, rather than going down the traditional route with sample based drum voicings where you have one drum sound per key, instead you have one drum per preset. What I mean is that, inside a sound font you have a range of presets each of which is a single drum voice. So once you select a given preset, regardless of which midi note you play, you always hear the same drum voice.
The point of doing it this way is that notes don’t matter any more. The only thing that matters is the note duration, ie the rhythmic pattern.
So, instead of the currently rather involved way of creating beats in Wotja, (forcing voices to play specific notes ) you can simply focus on the rhythmic behaviour of each voice and build up percussive patterns from there.
This also means you can take a more stochastic approach using TTM, Rhythmic, Follows and Repeat voice types to generate shifting, evolving percussive accompaniments rather than wrangling pattern voices.
To do this you need to author soundfonts in a specific way. It’s not a big deal, it’s just not the way things have been done up to now. It does have the advantage that, once the soundfont is configured that way, you can easily identify individual drum voices without needing a cheat sheet telling you which drum is where.
This is a little take of a proof of concept. It’s using a simple 4/4 pattern as the leader. The other voices follow it using different quantised delay values or compose freely using rhythm rules. I don’t think this approach will result in many floor filling bangers but I do think it’s very well suited to down tempo, laid back pulses.
Maybe?
I didn’t understand any of that, but the demo is very good!
@UMCorps very nice!
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr to rephrase part of what Mark wrote: Sound Font Files (.sf2 format) can be set-up such that a sample / instrument can play the same fixed output pitch, whatever the driving MIDI note pitch might be. So, if you try playing a Middle C through one of these percussive SF2 instrument patches, it'll sound identical to how it sounds if you play Middle D, D#, or whatever. It'll always sound like (say) a snare drum at the pitch it is set-up to play with in the SF2 file.
So, that means that, whatever note you spit out from Wotja, if you're using one of these magic SF2 instruments, that note will sound the same. This makes it a lot easier to make some drum patterns in Wotja.
The next update to Wotja supports this magic SF2 feature (it didn't do this before). We also support velocity splits in SF2 patches, which means that in our Snare example, we could hear a different Snare sound depending on how loud the note is.
Hoping that helps!
Pete
@impete said:
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A very short proof of concept test of this is here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dzcqdkr5hmfvtmh/5754658912313379449snare_test_2.mp3?dl=0
Lots of potential......
@UMCorps nice