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Koala sampler update!!!!!

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  • @espiegel123 said:

    Some apps are just going to be a lot harder to do right and have be stable as AUv3. I'd much rather have this stay standalone and stable than be constrained by the limits of AUv3. Apps of 'host-level-complexity' make sense as standalones.

    Yepp, this I fully agree on...
    For me Koala is a stand alone sampler with very good import & export options.

    Most of the time when I connect Koala to AUM it is is to sample from Radio Unit...
    ...so in short Koala could maybe eventually host AUv3's and use them as sources for sampling and stay 'stand alone'.

    I think the real issues behind the 'Koala AUv3' requests is the current state of the integrated samplers in most hosts that calls for better options...

    Even though BM3 may be a more fully featured sampler its no where near as fast and fun to work with as Koala is :)

  • @Samu said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    Some apps are just going to be a lot harder to do right and have be stable as AUv3. I'd much rather have this stay standalone and stable than be constrained by the limits of AUv3. Apps of 'host-level-complexity' make sense as standalones.

    Yepp, this I fully agree on...
    For me Koala is a stand alone sampler with very good import & export options.

    Most of the time when I connect Koala to AUM it is is to sample from Radio Unit...
    ...so in short Koala could maybe eventually host AUv3's and use them as sources for sampling and stay 'stand alone'.

    I think the real issues behind the 'Koala AUv3' requests is the current state of the integrated samplers in most hosts that calls for better options...

    Even though BM3 may be a more fully featured sampler its no where near as fast and fun to work with as Koala is :)

    I suspect that there will be some host-to-host communication method (maybe just audiobus?) before Apple actually kills off IAA. Given the number of popular music apps not likely to be turned into AUv3, it would not surprise me if IAA remains supported for years.

    (Contrary to what you might think deprecated does not mean that no support or bug fixes will happen. An app I used to work relied on Apple APIs that were deprecated for for something like a decade before they were removed and during that time Apple tested them and fixed bugs as they were reported. That is no guarantee of anything. Some deprecated technologies get removed faster than that.)

  • @Samu said:
    Considering IAA is on the way out AUv3 is currently the only proper way forward if/when interaction with other apps is needed.

    I use Koala as a 'stand-alone' but there are times I wish I could easily pipe-in synth apps and sample them into Koala.
    IAA connections are bit of a hit or miss and sometimes take multiple tries before the connection is established.
    (When I do need the connection it's Koala in 'Slide over view' in an FX slot in AUM).

    Time will tell where things go...

    How about koala as an AU host to pipe those sounds in?

  • wimwim
    edited January 2021

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Samu said:
    Considering IAA is on the way out AUv3 is currently the only proper way forward if/when interaction with other apps is needed.

    I use Koala as a 'stand-alone' but there are times I wish I could easily pipe-in synth apps and sample them into Koala.
    IAA connections are bit of a hit or miss and sometimes take multiple tries before the connection is established.
    (When I do need the connection it's Koala in 'Slide over view' in an FX slot in AUM).

    Time will tell where things go...

    How about koala as an AU host to pipe those sounds in?

    AU hosting is such a can of worms. Easily 10x the work as the original app, and a constant support drag as well. I would think that making Koala an AU FX would be a lot easier path.

    Beepstreet seems to have pulled it off elegantly in Drambo. On the other end of the scale, Modstep comes to mind as a stellar app that just completely lost forward momentum when they went there.

    Gotta say I have real misgivings when I think about Koala trying to be an AU host. On the other hand, Koala is nothing short of amazing, and elegant in every respect, so the developer is surely capable of such a feat. But ... no ... I just can't think of that as a good idea.

  • @wim said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Samu said:
    Considering IAA is on the way out AUv3 is currently the only proper way forward if/when interaction with other apps is needed.

    I use Koala as a 'stand-alone' but there are times I wish I could easily pipe-in synth apps and sample them into Koala.
    IAA connections are bit of a hit or miss and sometimes take multiple tries before the connection is established.
    (When I do need the connection it's Koala in 'Slide over view' in an FX slot in AUM).

    Time will tell where things go...

    How about koala as an AU host to pipe those sounds in?

    AU hosting is such a can of worms. Easily 10x the work as the original app, and a constant support drag as well. I would think that making Koala an AU FX would be a lot easier path.

    Beepstreet seems to have pulled it off elegantly in Drambo. On the other end of the scale, Modstep comes to mind as a stellar app that just completely lost forward momentum when they went there.

    Gotta say I have real misgivings when I think about Koala trying to be an AU host. On the other hand, Koala is nothing short of amazing, and elegant in every respect, so the developer is surely capable of such a feat. But ... no ... I just can't think of that as a good idea.

    Ah, gotcha. It wasn’t apparent to me whether it would be easier and faster to host or act as a plug in.

  • Loving the new update. I dont know if this was just added, or i just had no idea that koala could do this. But i just realized i could use my magic keyboard as a midi controller for koala for basically every function, and obviously to play the pads as well, the app that just keeps on giving!!

  • @McD said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Why? Because Koala.

    After watching more videos I'm beginning to see the value of Koala.
    It's beautifully designed like Spacecraft Granular to allow me to work on an iPhone
    and make something interesting.

    And it's got IAA so you can feed it from all your other apps in AUM. I fed it some
    Funk Drummer to investigate chopping for a quick drum set of samples. It works
    well and will keep attracting users that make more current music.

    I'm glad I bought it way back when and grabbed the "Samurai" IAP for $3. It open doors
    to the sample-based workflow for this old fart.

    I actually started appreciating the sample based workflow because of Koala, Blocs Wave, and Reslice. Took me a while to get used to it, but the ability to build off a complex piece of work is so different, yet insane. Taking the sample and turning into an instrument, or a drum kit, or a bass line is sick. Even changing vocal arrangements into something entirely different is crazy.

  • How about a video on the new timestretch?

  • @RajahP said:
    How about a video on the new timestretch?

  • @rickelal3 said:
    Loving the new update. I dont know if this was just added, or i just had no idea that koala could do this. But i just realized i could use my magic keyboard as a midi controller for koala for basically every function, and obviously to play the pads as well, the app that just keeps on giving!!

    magic keyboard ? what’s that?

  • @Halftone said:

    @RajahP said:
    How about a video on the new timestretch?

    Sweet... Thanks... ✌️

  • @Halftone said:

    @RajahP said:
    How about a video on the new timestretch?

    Thanks HT.

  • @eross said:

    @rickelal3 said:
    Loving the new update. I dont know if this was just added, or i just had no idea that koala could do this. But i just realized i could use my magic keyboard as a midi controller for koala for basically every function, and obviously to play the pads as well, the app that just keeps on giving!!

    magic keyboard ? what’s that?

    It’s just the apple qwerty keyboard for iPad. It appears Koala supports keybindings, which is totally awesome.

  • edited January 2021

    The timestretch is gonna be loads of fun for jungle stuff, but so far I gotta say I ended up liking the piano roll way more than I thought I would!

    Something I found a while back is you can fake a song mode by stacking clips into one sequence, freeing up your fingers for fx stuff. But it was very easy to get lost and hard to preview parts of that sequencer without wading through bars upon bars...

    Now with the piano roll you can open that stacked sequence and preview any part of the song by tapping the top timeline in the piano roll. Super helpful for keeping track of full song all within the app and for improvising with fx.

    In this jam I threw everything into a 64 bar sequence after composing in groups of 2-8 bars and just let it play all the way through while I fooled around with fx.

    Really great update imo!!! Now if only I could figure out how to route xequence midi into it through aum...

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  • @d4d0ug said:

    @aleyas said:

    @eross said:

    @rickelal3 said:
    Loving the new update. I dont know if this was just added, or i just had no idea that koala could do this. But i just realized i could use my magic keyboard as a midi controller for koala for basically every function, and obviously to play the pads as well, the app that just keeps on giving!!

    magic keyboard ? what’s that?

    It’s just the apple qwerty keyboard for iPad. It appears Koala supports keybindings, which is totally awesome.

    Key bindings too? Is there a list out there?

    Dunno if it’s learn or pre assigned.

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  • It’s pre assigned ....the left side of the keyboard is for thee pads

  • It's begging for Au... Multi instances are wanted..... I'll pay well for it... Excellent App. #1 for 2021.

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  • edited January 2021

    @GeorgeL909 said:
    Now with the piano roll you can open that stacked sequence and preview any part of the song by tapping the top timeline in the piano roll. Super helpful for keeping track of full song all within the app and for improvising with fx.

    Thanks! I do wish for a clip launcher style sequencer one day, but that’s a good workaround to stack the clips and use the piano roll to view your timeline.

  • Well :)
    it would a be a great AU music effect (sampler FX with midi control), but way over the top and unnecessary to make it a host and I'm sure the developer wouldn't bother with that anyway.

    GR-16 I think is great as an AU.
    Also an AU version does not affect the stability of the standalone app, they are separate apps.

    Even if the developer decides not to update an AU version I'll still use this periodically but I know I'd use it more as an AUv3 music effect. :)

  • edited January 2021

    @CapnWillie said:
    I hope Elf ignores most of the feature requests and sticks to his winning visions for his app. Frequently on ABF folks overwhelm the most engaged Devs for tons of “upgrades” that take brilliant apps into complicated zone.

    Grooverider comes to mind. Probably an excellent app, but way too many features make it look over complicated. Hardly ever hear it mentioned around here anymore after the natives spent launch and months thereafter hounding the Dev for new feature after new feature. When’s the last time you saw a new Grooverider thread? Yeah. Right.

    Koala brilliance is in simplicity and speed. AU this, AU that....dude, it’s a sampler. Sample your AUs. If you can’t be bothered with that...Bm3.

    It’s hilarious to me that naysayers say Bm3 is too much.🤦🏽‍♂️ Same folks want fast and simple Kaola to be Bm3 apparently. I don’t get it.lol

    Yeah, let’s add more complexity and work for Elf because his own vision isn’t what we all love already.

    Stick to doing your thing @elf_audio

    PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE.

    We DEFINITELY don’t need Kaola to host AU nor really be AU so we can hear the same users complain about it crashing and lack of stability (As they do unfairly with Bm3).

    Kaola is near perfect as is. Please stay YOUR course sir. 🙏🏽

    End of rant.

    You do know that iaa will be (what do they call it) ‘depreciated’ in the near future? Like it or not, AU is the future.. Anyway... GrooveRider is as complex as you make it.. Updated a couple days ago...

    Edit.. Jesus.. this thing is so nice.. will really love to have 2-3 instances going in a project... state saving.. etc.. the things that Au is known for... bless..

  • edited January 2021

    Everyone uses apps for different use cases and workflows, so when someone says “I want it to do x”, don’t assume that their workflow is the same as as yours. I would much rather use BM3 as a sampler on my iPad but koala is the best when I’m on the go and only have my iPhone. Other folks probably much prefer koala on the iPad, so i see no value in refusing to see the value of their feature requests. Horses for courses, as we’ve asserted many times before.

  • Bass line thing..

  • @RajahP said:

    @CapnWillie said:
    I hope Elf ignores most of the feature requests and sticks to his winning visions for his app. Frequently on ABF folks overwhelm the most engaged Devs for tons of “upgrades” that take brilliant apps into complicated zone.

    Grooverider comes to mind. Probably an excellent app, but way too many features make it look over complicated. Hardly ever hear it mentioned around here anymore after the natives spent launch and months thereafter hounding the Dev for new feature after new feature. When’s the last time you saw a new Grooverider thread? Yeah. Right.

    Koala brilliance is in simplicity and speed. AU this, AU that....dude, it’s a sampler. Sample your AUs. If you can’t be bothered with that...Bm3.

    It’s hilarious to me that naysayers say Bm3 is too much.🤦🏽‍♂️ Same folks want fast and simple Kaola to be Bm3 apparently. I don’t get it.lol

    Yeah, let’s add more complexity and work for Elf because his own vision isn’t what we all love already.

    Stick to doing your thing @elf_audio

    PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE.

    We DEFINITELY don’t need Kaola to host AU nor really be AU so we can hear the same users complain about it crashing and lack of stability (As they do unfairly with Bm3).

    Kaola is near perfect as is. Please stay YOUR course sir. 🙏🏽

    End of rant.

    You do know that iaa will be (what do they call it) ‘depreciated’ in the near future? Like it or not, AU is the future.. Anyway... GrooveRider is as complex as you make it.. Updated a couple days ago...

    Edit.. Jesus.. this thing is so nice.. will really love to have 2-3 instances going in a project... state saving.. etc.. the things that Au is known for... bless..

    Re "deprecated". No one knows how soon or far off that will have any impact. Deprecated APIs have sometimes remained suppprted for many years. Michael has said that he will find a way to make Audiobus work if/when IAA gets pulled from the OS.

    I personally hope Koala stays a strong standalone for maximum usability and stability.

  • @CapnWillie said:
    I stated that I’m sure GR is great. My point is no one talks about it now that the hype and thrill of hounding about updates is over. Where are the new GR threads? Examples of all the great things people around here are doing with it?

    I know what you mean but just because there are less threads, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not being used/appreciated, it can also mean there's less workflow problems to discuss and people are just using it. :)

    Actually my main issues with GR-16 are design related but I really like it much more now it's an AU and I'm using it much more regularly now vs not at all before the update.

    Anyway good luck to Koala, I'm sure it will go from strength to strength with whatever he decides for it :)

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @CapnWillie said:
    I hope Elf ignores most of the feature requests and sticks to his winning visions for his app. Frequently on ABF folks overwhelm the most engaged Devs for tons of “upgrades” that take brilliant apps into complicated zone.

    Grooverider comes to mind. Probably an excellent app, but way too many features make it look over complicated. Hardly ever hear it mentioned around here anymore after the natives spent launch and months thereafter hounding the Dev for new feature after new feature. When’s the last time you saw a new Grooverider thread? Yeah. Right.

    Koala brilliance is in simplicity and speed. AU this, AU that....dude, it’s a sampler. Sample your AUs. If you can’t be bothered with that...Bm3.

    It’s hilarious to me that naysayers say Bm3 is too much.🤦🏽‍♂️ Same folks want fast and simple Kaola to be Bm3 apparently. I don’t get it.lol

    Yeah, let’s add more complexity and work for Elf because his own vision isn’t what we all love already.

    Stick to doing your thing @elf_audio

    PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE.

    We DEFINITELY don’t need Kaola to host AU nor really be AU so we can hear the same users complain about it crashing and lack of stability (As they do unfairly with Bm3).

    Kaola is near perfect as is. Please stay YOUR course sir. 🙏🏽

    End of rant.

    You do know that iaa will be (what do they call it) ‘depreciated’ in the near future? Like it or not, AU is the future.. Anyway... GrooveRider is as complex as you make it.. Updated a couple days ago...

    Edit.. Jesus.. this thing is so nice.. will really love to have 2-3 instances going in a project... state saving.. etc.. the things that Au is known for... bless..

    Re "deprecated". No one knows how soon or far off that will have any impact. Deprecated APIs have sometimes remained suppprted for many years. Michael has said that he will find a way to make Audiobus work if/when IAA gets pulled from the OS.

    I personally hope Koala stays a strong standalone for maximum usability and stability.

    Seeing the export features now. Ableton Live export, etc. Loving it.. still, multi instances, state saving will be nice..

  • That's an interesting flip on a AUv3 subject, for Koala to be able to host AUv3 FX Plugins.
    Just imagine creative possibilities in making new samples by layering FX and resampling. Fun for days.

  • @RajahP said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @CapnWillie said:
    I hope Elf ignores most of the feature requests and sticks to his winning visions for his app. Frequently on ABF folks overwhelm the most engaged Devs for tons of “upgrades” that take brilliant apps into complicated zone.

    Grooverider comes to mind. Probably an excellent app, but way too many features make it look over complicated. Hardly ever hear it mentioned around here anymore after the natives spent launch and months thereafter hounding the Dev for new feature after new feature. When’s the last time you saw a new Grooverider thread? Yeah. Right.

    Koala brilliance is in simplicity and speed. AU this, AU that....dude, it’s a sampler. Sample your AUs. If you can’t be bothered with that...Bm3.

    It’s hilarious to me that naysayers say Bm3 is too much.🤦🏽‍♂️ Same folks want fast and simple Kaola to be Bm3 apparently. I don’t get it.lol

    Yeah, let’s add more complexity and work for Elf because his own vision isn’t what we all love already.

    Stick to doing your thing @elf_audio

    PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE.

    We DEFINITELY don’t need Kaola to host AU nor really be AU so we can hear the same users complain about it crashing and lack of stability (As they do unfairly with Bm3).

    Kaola is near perfect as is. Please stay YOUR course sir. 🙏🏽

    End of rant.

    You do know that iaa will be (what do they call it) ‘depreciated’ in the near future? Like it or not, AU is the future.. Anyway... GrooveRider is as complex as you make it.. Updated a couple days ago...

    Edit.. Jesus.. this thing is so nice.. will really love to have 2-3 instances going in a project... state saving.. etc.. the things that Au is known for... bless..

    Re "deprecated". No one knows how soon or far off that will have any impact. Deprecated APIs have sometimes remained suppprted for many years. Michael has said that he will find a way to make Audiobus work if/when IAA gets pulled from the OS.

    I personally hope Koala stays a strong standalone for maximum usability and stability.

    Seeing the export features now. Ableton Live export, etc. Loving it.. still, multi instances, state saving will be nice..

    Sure it would be nice: if it doesn't come at the expense of usability and stability and the development isn't so time-consuming that it comes at the expense of other refinements and doesn't require one to have the latest and greatest iPad or iPhone.

    Getting this all to work nicely as an AUv3 (particularly if one tends to fill up a project with a full-complement of samples) seems like a much bigger task than people imagine.

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