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FH-2 virtual guitar amp, beta testing discussion

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  • @ALB said:
    Definitely has a Voxy sound if wanted. Can also get the Fender sound. I’m not hearing an ice pick top end, but I have only used a guitar with gold foil pickups. I will try it out with a Telecaster later as well as something with humbuckers.

    I didn’t notice any ice pick with a humbucker in the bridge position, which on my guitar happens to run quite hot (1999 Gibson historic shop ‘57 black beauty re-issue). The Mojotone however is a “Hot Bridge” and has an 11.6k resistance which is extremely high for a Strat. So when overdriven the treble rolls of naturally, but not when clean and uncompressed or unsaturated. Maybe just a simple case of single coils needing more eq tweak with FH-2. I should try the app with my other weaker single coil guitars, and my Godin with a P-90. Totally agree with the Vox Fender assessment.

    @DaveB have you considered adding a multiband eq pedal to the pedal chain, or is that redundant with the eq row already on the amp? Also how about an auto-wah or echo that you used to have, or a second row of pedals? I appreciate the simplicity of the chain and totally agree with the order, is the implication that the pedals are all Pre and/or Post by default? Would giving us the option to move modulation pedals around do more harm than good? Also, I like the sizing on an iPad 12.9, but it could be at least 10% bigger bigger on an iPhone, seems like there would be room for that.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    @DaveB ...I switched from Les Paul to Strat copy I built with Mojotone Quiet Coils, there were some presets where the top end was little ice-picky and harsh. I will have a play with lowering the treble and presence knob today, I just wonder if the top end can be eased off a little without muddying the entire spectrum

    With bright single coils, decrease the treble, use an edge miked cabinet, and keep room under 75% (as higher room settings add brightness). Then, increase presence to restore that lovely top end sparkle.

    Factory presets are just starting points. As with a real amp, you need to tweak. When I play a tele through my Princeton Reverb, I turn treble way down to 20% and increase bass to 80%. I am equally aggressive when using the tone controls in FH-2, it's all part of the fun :)

  • edited February 2021

    FH-2 gives me very nice guitartones with my Epiphone ES399 (wich has two rather 'dull' humbuckers), but with my PRS SE One (with one P-90 (and no tonecontrol-knob)) I find it very difficult to get a 'pleasent' non-icey sound: even the preset 'Warm Jazz' is too harsh for my taste. It seems that I need extra EQ before FH-2 to attenuate these highs.
    Overall I find FH-2 a very nice app: nice-looking UI, simple and clever. Nice preset-manager for banks and presets (only missing a Rename-option); also good to have a build-in tuner.
    +1 for midi-learn via Host-parameters;
    +1 for the preset-name always visible in the front (no problem when that's temp. overwritten by the Tuner-info).
    Thank you @DaveB.

  • edited February 2021

    @uncledave said:

    @DaveB said:

    @steve99 said:
    @DaveB i’ve been trying midi control, using a meloaudio MP100 (with its Bias FX preset). The bank and program changes are working perfectly for stepping through presets.

    The CC numbers though don’t seem to correspond to the manual. I tried 21 (drive), 30 (delay) 24 (phaser) and 35 (chorus). Only 35 did anything and that was to turn the Tremelo on and off. There’s a possibility I could be introducing an error, as I’m using NuRackFX to convert the CC numbers from those set on my controller, but I’ve not had issues with that previously.

    Pretty close though, CC numbers showing up in the display and the patch changing is perfect. I’m thinking maybe just the published numbers are wrong? I’d experiment with the numbers further, but it’s nearly time to go to bed and I’ve got to squeeze some playing in :)

    EDIT. Found on/offs for delay 38 and phaser 31, no sign of Drive.

    All that is for AUv3 in AUM. Is it possible to route midi in to the standalone?

    Thanks for this. There's definitely something up with the MIDI. I'll sort it in the next beta release, along with exposing the params so you can use MIDI Learn in AUM etc.

    I just updated an old StreamByter script to send the MIDI CC listed in the manual from my Xtouch Mini controller. All work as documented, both knobs and buttons. Using the AUv3 in AB3, FH-2 1.0.3. Given earlier reports, I expected a struggle, but the process was simple: build mapping table, implement mapping, exercise controls.

    I notice that FH-2 seems to listening Omni in this situation, not only to MIDI channel 1, as set in Settings. This means it hears a lot of noisy info on channels 11 and 12 that's used to control the Xtouch. It doesn't seem to respond to this data; maybe it just displays it in the message window. I suggest that it should ignore MIDI messages on all but one channel.

    MIDI learn would be nice, but this is pretty OK anyway, although it requires a script.

    Edit: 2 hours later. Boy, did I speak too soon here! Loaded the same script in an AB3 config with another instrument, and it's all crazy. FH-2 still reports the correct CC numbers, but the results are all over: CC 7 controls Master, 25 is Gate On, 26 is Gate Thresh, bonkers. Returned to the original setup, with just the controller and FH-2; flawless. Both AB3 on same iPad. Over to you, @DaveB.

    @uncledave thanks for update, I though I was losing it... I can confirm it works as per the manual CC numbers in AUM with no other apps running. I had Funk Drummer loaded in my original bad numbers test.

    EDIT - working fine with NuRack as a midi converter in AUM (from my controller to the correct published CC numbers), then Funk Drummer as standalone, so the fun can go on :)

  • @steve99 @DaveB I think I've figured it out. Restored the problem AB preset. Removed FH-2 from both Audio and MIDI channels. Loaded it back to Audio, then to MIDI. Controls now work correctly. Loaded an FH-2 preset; controls turned to junk. Solution: don't do that. Just use the MIDI controls until this is fixed.

  • @uncledave said:
    @steve99 @DaveB I think I've figured it out. Restored the problem AB preset. Removed FH-2 from both Audio and MIDI channels. Loaded it back to Audio, then to MIDI. Controls now work correctly. Loaded an FH-2 preset; controls turned to junk. Solution: don't do that. Just use the MIDI controls until this is fixed.

    On it.

  • Hey @DaveB i definitely dig the ui. Simple clean, colorful. I downloaded beta today and not sure if it’s been mentioned, but I was using a dry guitar audio loop, haven’t connected my axe yet and I seemed to get a lot of noise coming through, like lofi white noise, on every preset. And every change I made too, couldn’t get rid of it without additional processing. I might be late to the party on this one but I figured I’d mention it.

  • @Poppadocrock said:
    Hey @DaveB i definitely dig the ui. Simple clean, colorful. I downloaded beta today and not sure if it’s been mentioned, but I was using a dry guitar audio loop, haven’t connected my axe yet and I seemed to get a lot of noise coming through, like lofi white noise, on every preset. And every change I made too, couldn’t get rid of it without additional processing. I might be late to the party on this one but I figured I’d mention it.

    Perhaps the loops themselves are noisy?
    FH-2 doesn’t add any noise itself, but like any virtual amp, it will boost any noise present in the original signal, especially with high gain settings or if the compressor is turned up high. That’s expected behaviour.

  • Let me run a few tests. Thanks for heads up. There was a little Noise on the loop, but I did have gain and compression really low. I’ll keep messing with it. Cheers.

  • Can't really get more straight forward than this. The UI is really straight forward (as it always has been). Still listening to the range of tones it has. Won't comment on that yet. I do remember years ago when I used it on desktop I got most use out of it for tones not quite clean but not pushing the distortion too far. I'm getting the same feeling using it now but it's early days.

  • Lost an hour or two playing it through a Telecaster w/ stock single pickups. Really nice, good twang and presence. I wish that the “Drive” was a tad dialed back so that it starts out a bit less driven. But there are many pedal emulations on iOS that I could substitute in, so it’s not a real concern. The tuner is nice - I like how it cuts out the amp sound while on.

  • @DaveB said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    @DaveB ...I switched from Les Paul to Strat copy I built with Mojotone Quiet Coils, there were some presets where the top end was little ice-picky and harsh. I will have a play with lowering the treble and presence knob today, I just wonder if the top end can be eased off a little without muddying the entire spectrum

    With bright single coils, decrease the treble, use an edge miked cabinet, and keep room under 75% (as higher room settings add brightness). Then, increase presence to restore that lovely top end sparkle.

    Factory presets are just starting points. As with a real amp, you need to tweak. When I play a tele through my Princeton Reverb, I turn treble way down to 20% and increase bass to 80%. I am equally aggressive when using the tone controls in FH-2, it's all part of the fun :)

    @DaveB FH-2 was a revelation tonight. Your suggestions above certainly helped, but truth be told I couldn’t get this particular guitar to sound good with any of my other apps. And I upgraded the snot out of it (Ratio tuners, graphtech nut, mojotone pickups, Callaham bridge, saddles, and trem block). I need to do some more surgery on it.

    So I pulled out a cheap Stagg strat copy, with mediocre quacky pickups, I think I paid $60 at goodwill for it, never gave it much thought. It sounded stellar in FH-2. I spent two hours actually having fun. This app seems simple but it’s quirky, with lots of secrets. For me the big reveal was starting with the first preset, turning the treble down just a smidge and the presence up, then cranking the compressor to 3/4, reducing the room knob to about 2/3, adding a deep but slow speed chorus, some delay, some drive/tone, reverb maybe at half. I’m telling you it was amazing, sort of U2 or arena Brit pop or even driven funky Prince. I think the compressor really adds great tone and satisfaction and should not be skimped on. And there is so much tonal variety when switching IRs. Considering cheap medium output single coil guitars are ubiquitous, this is a really good sign. Also, the Brit Grit preset sounds amazing, perhaps my favorite of the non clean presets. What I like about FH-2 is it seems to preserve the character of the guitar. The low E string sounds particularly real.

    I appreciate the silent tuner, but I found myself reaching for the monitor button on my Motu. It’s not that I need to hear it when I tune, it’s that no guitar is perfect and each note sags or shakes differently. So I like to use a tuner but also use my ear to really lock in the polyphonic fluctuation of the frequencies. Even if every note shows perfect in tune, it won’t be when you actually strum a chord. It would be nice to be able to activate an option to hear the app or a bypass when tuning,

    On a whim I plugged my guitar into input 2 on the Motu, and there was no sound. This is a non-issue as an AUv3, but the fact that you can’t choose the input in standalone means FH-2 isn’t reading different interfaces and can only use input 1. Is this correct? This could be confusing unless it’s in the manual and I missed it. Maybe worth adding an audio settings menu along with sample rate buffer size, and maybe even output routing. Or at least some clarification. I really got along with the feel and simplicity of the app tonight. It’s not going to get you every guitar sound from every genre, but what it does get sounds fabulous. Cheers!

  • Quick update - beta testing is going well, thanks for all your feedback! Just a few minor bugs to resolve now. I'm also lightly tweaking the tone stack to sound nicer with bright single-coils, enhancing the quality of the overdrive & gain circuits, and improving the range & responsiveness of some of the controls (e.g. the gain knob now gives you much finer control over the early preamp breakup)

    Planning to have a 1.0.4 beta out early next week - and if no further feedback is received, the full FH-2 release shortly after.

  • @DaveB said:
    Quick update - beta testing is going well, thanks for all your feedback! Just a few minor bugs to resolve now. I'm also lightly tweaking the tone stack to sound nicer with bright single-coils, enhancing the quality of the overdrive & gain circuits, and improving the range & responsiveness of some of the controls (e.g. the gain knob now gives you much finer control over the early preamp breakup)

    Planning to have a 1.0.4 beta out early next week - and if no further feedback is received, the full FH-2 release shortly after.

    Cool! Will you give us access to the new beta? I really like this app, especially the simplicity of one in-depth tone stack surrounded by fx. It can cover several genres, from vintage clean to indie to rock .

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @DaveB said:
    Quick update - beta testing is going well, thanks for all your feedback! Just a few minor bugs to resolve now. I'm also lightly tweaking the tone stack to sound nicer with bright single-coils, enhancing the quality of the overdrive & gain circuits, and improving the range & responsiveness of some of the controls (e.g. the gain knob now gives you much finer control over the early preamp breakup)

    Planning to have a 1.0.4 beta out early next week - and if no further feedback is received, the full FH-2 release shortly after.

    Cool! Will you give us access to the new beta? I really like this app, especially the simplicity of one in-depth tone stack surrounded by fx. It can cover several genres, from vintage clean to indie to rock .

    Yup, the 1.0.4 beta will be available to you through TestFlight :)

  • Just want to say, I am really looking forward to this! Sounds like the tone is right up my alley.

  • Still loving it. I agree with @JoyceRoadStudios that it would be nice if you could put a little tap function on the tuner that we could hear our guitar going through. Only other suggestion might be shave off one decibel of high frequency on the tones, but honestly it’s nice to have it if we need it. I’ve tested on an Ovation Acoustic, a Telecaster with original pick ups, and an Ibanez semi-hollow Irene wannabe, and the tones are great with all. I think your controls are plenty to squeeze out a good tone on anything. Only thing I wish for would be a pitch shifting harmonizing pedal, but I can dream. Works fine on iPad Air 4, Air 2, and iPhone 11 and iPhone 6s even. I used a Motu M2, a Focusrite iTrack dock, and a Line 6 Sonicport VX.

  • I’m really liking FH-2!. Tested it with my 4 string CGB and it’s very easy and straightforward to get a good sound out of it. Add the onboard effects and you’re ready to go in no time. I quite like the IRs, I’m no expert but I find them less “boxy” than the ones in Nembrini. Specially liking the 10 inch cab.
    As per some comments here I also miss a sync option for the effects, in my case specially for the tremolo.
    There’s something in the UI options that I don’t quite understand. There’s an option for cab mic (close, edge, room) wnd then there’s the room dial. How do they relate?.

    Great job! 👍

  • @tahiche said:
    There’s something in the UI options that I don’t quite understand. There’s an option for cab mic (close, edge, room) wnd then there’s the room dial. How do they relate?.

    The cabinets are stereo impulse responses of real cabs, recorded with a mid-side mic pair. The mid mic points at the cabinet, the side mic captures room ambience. I recorded each cab at 3 positions - close (on-axis at the speaker cone) edge (off axis at the speaker edge) and room (on-axis, a couple of feet into the room)

    The room dial adjusts the level of room ambience (by varying the side mic level). With room at minimum, you hear a cabinet with a single SM58 mic. With room at 3 o'clock, the side mic kicks in and you feel like you're sitting in the room with the amp. Assuming you're using decent headphones, of course!

  • @DaveB said:

    @tahiche said:
    There’s something in the UI options that I don’t quite understand. There’s an option for cab mic (close, edge, room) wnd then there’s the room dial. How do they relate?.

    The cabinets are stereo impulse responses of real cabs, recorded with a mid-side mic pair. The mid mic points at the cabinet, the side mic captures room ambience. I recorded each cab at 3 positions - close (on-axis at the speaker cone) edge (off axis at the speaker edge) and room (on-axis, a couple of feet into the room)

    The room dial adjusts the level of room ambience (by varying the side mic level). With room at minimum, you hear a cabinet with a single SM58 mic. With room at 3 o'clock, the side mic kicks in and you feel like you're sitting in the room with the amp. Assuming you're using decent headphones, of course!

    I realize I want specific enough... If you choose “room” for cab mic, what does the room knob do?.
    Is there 2 room mics?. One “on-axis couple of feet into the room” and the “side mic”?. If that’s the case (that’s what I gather from your explanation) I’d change the name of one of them. Maybe label the side (room knob) “ambience” or label the room cab option “far”... Might be me, but i find it confusing.

  • My thoughts -

    Well for me I want effects in an AU to be beat-sync-able and I don't think this can happen?

    Generally I turned the reverb down on most presets.

    The menu for selecting cabinets has very small rows, perhaps should be bigger for my fat fingers.

    Had to read this thread to understand the "Room" deal... Maybe call it "Mic Distance"?

    Like others have suggested, I'd like a next/prev button on either side of the [currently absent] preset name.

    Cheers!

  • edited March 2021

    I’m not on the beta so I’m only going by what I’ve read on this thread but I think it’s a case of the close/edge/room being “how far away do you want the mic that points at the amp to be” and the room knob is “how loud in the mix do you want the “other mic”to be, the other one that points away from the amp into the room”

    Please correct me if I’m wrong

  • @tahiche said:
    I realize I want specific enough... If you choose “room” for cab mic, what does the room knob do?.
    Is there 2 room mics?. One “on-axis couple of feet into the room” and the “side mic”?. If that’s the case (that’s what I gather from your explanation) I’d change the name of one of them. Maybe label the side (room knob) “ambience” or label the room cab option “far”... Might be me, but i find it confusing.

    Fair point. I've changed the "room" dial to "ambience".

    Also, just to confirm how this works - when you turn up the "ambience" dial, it increases the amount of stereo ambience from the room mic.

  • edited March 2021

    My thanks to you all for the valuable feedback! FH-2 beta 1.0.5 is now with Apple for approval, and will be available to everyone in the beta team via TestFlight soon :smile:

    1.0.5 release notes

    • Enhanced quality of tone stack & gain circuitry.
    • Presets can be loaded from main panel (and last loaded preset persists in the display).
    • New factory presets (separate banks for humbuckers & single coil pickups)
    • Better control of Gain knob (to allow finer tuning of early break-up)
    • Improved usability of VU meters. Tickle the red region in both meters, and you’re all good!
    • Enhanced accuracy and tracking of tuner
    • Tuner can now be silent, or monitoring the input signal
    • Improved oversampling for smoother overdrive and high gain sounds.
    • Parameters now accessible in AUv3 (e.g.MIDI control in AUM, native automation in Cubasis)
    • Bug fix - AUv3 Supports multiple host sample rates
    • Bug fix - Fixed problems with MIDI CC control
    • Bug fix - Cabinets & presets were not shown in AUv3 immediately after a fresh install
    • Bug fix - Room knob changed to Ambience (to avoid confusion with “room” cabinets)

    Note : it is likely that any presets you created in 1.0.3 will not work in 1.0.5, due to the changes made to support AUv3 parameters.

  • Man you are good! Looking forward to playing with this. Thanks for your hard work.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Man you are good! Looking forward to playing with this. Thanks for your hard work.

    Hoping your superhot Mojotone sounds better with this build :). I'm quite happy now with the FH-2 tone from my Reverend Eastsider (EMG active tele pickups). All hail the sparkle <3

  • Nice! Thanks for the improvements.

  • @DaveB said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Man you are good! Looking forward to playing with this. Thanks for your hard work.

    Hoping your superhot Mojotone sounds better with this build :). I'm quite happy now with the FH-2 tone from my Reverend Eastsider (EMG active tele pickups). All hail the sparkle <3

    That’s a beautiful axe! Are those saddles stock or did you put them in? I often get stainless steel saddles as an upgrade for $15. Have craved a Tele for a long time, but I want a butterscotch maple one.

    Here’s my build around the Mojotone, I’ve always wanted a lake placid blue / tort combo. Only the neck/frets and body are original. Every single thing replaced with Callaham stainless steel, even neck pate and screws and claw. Cloth wire, and Graphtech nut, trees, and tuners. The steel adds life and ping, maybe a little too much. 11-52 gauge with wound g, and ready to slay!

  • edited March 2021

    @DaveB : fwiw I keep expecting that if I tap on the preset name that the preset list will show up. It seems like the display clears if you change any knobs, but I think it would be preferable to add an asterisk after the display name rather than clear the display so you know what your base was.

    I like the overall design, the sound of the reverb and effects. I find the amp saturation and distortion improved in the new beta but still a little fatiguing. (Written before I had unveiled the new presets by uninstalling and reinstalling -- the new presets make a big difference.)

  • Quick tip - in order to see the new factory banks, you need to uninstall FH-2 1.0.3 before installing 1.0.5. A quirk of the beta, I’m afraid!

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