Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

blueveek

@noniman93 said:

@espiegel123 said:

Maybe you could do a screen recording and post a link to an uploaded video?

You can see in the video that I set two notes to two velocities. But when I come back to the first one I can’t recover its offset.

Yeah, that UI isn’t the best for editing velocities for individual notes, and designed more for broad strokes or adding chaos. There’s a few weird questions that might arise if I were to fix this, e.g “what happens when you select multiple notes”?

Really what’s needed is a proper way of editing velocity like in Atom 1, with cool lines and curves and all the shiny, and that is going to be part of the automation update.

blueveek

@sloJordan said:
btw, thanks @blueveek for adding that sausage fingers script. Was able to look at that as an example and super quickly made a "really fat" fingers version with even larger buttons but smaller keyboard as I mostly use atom for live recording rather than editing. Really cool how easy it is to customize the ui to fit little changes like this!

Is it possible to change the ordering of buttons in the toolbars with a script? I've been looking through your documentation, but haven't been able to find the answer. Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated!

Nice, I’m glad people are getting into scripting. There’s a ton that can be unlocked this route, the rabbit hole is deep

Changing the ordering is possible, but I’d like to avoid enabling too many wacky things (there’s maybe too many already, which could prove significant effort to support down the line). Can you let me know what you’d like to do first? Just change the order of buttons in a toolbar? Maybe hide some buttons?

espiegel123

@blueveek said:

@noniman93 said:

@espiegel123 said:

Maybe you could do a screen recording and post a link to an uploaded video?

You can see in the video that I set two notes to two velocities. But when I come back to the first one I can’t recover its offset.

Yeah, that UI isn’t the best for editing velocities for individual notes, and designed more for broad strokes or adding chaos. There’s a few weird questions that might arise if I were to fix this, e.g “what happens when you select multiple notes”?

Really what’s needed is a proper way of editing velocity like in Atom 1, with cool lines and curves and all the shiny, and that is going to be part of the automation update.

+1 (and some sort of visual representation via shading or whatever would be nice in the piano roll when you get a chance down the line)

blueveek

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

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Maybe we should make a separate thread for Atom scripting

That could be cool, certainly an FAQ would at least be nice. I’m trying to capture a lot of details in the readme, but there’s probably some nuance to some things that is missing (e.g. “how can I add a script?” or “what happens when the app updates?”)

blueveek

@espiegel123 said:

@blueveek said:

@noniman93 said:

@espiegel123 said:

Maybe you could do a screen recording and post a link to an uploaded video?

You can see in the video that I set two notes to two velocities. But when I come back to the first one I can’t recover its offset.

Yeah, that UI isn’t the best for editing velocities for individual notes, and designed more for broad strokes or adding chaos. There’s a few weird questions that might arise if I were to fix this, e.g “what happens when you select multiple notes”?

Really what’s needed is a proper way of editing velocity like in Atom 1, with cool lines and curves and all the shiny, and that is going to be part of the automation update.

+1 (and some sort of visual representation via shading or whatever would be nice in the piano roll when you get a chance down the line)

This can actually be done already using theming via CSS. I’ll add an example when I get the chance.

espiegel123

@blueveek said:

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

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Maybe we should make a separate thread for Atom scripting

That could be cool, certainly an FAQ would at least be nice. I’m trying to capture a lot of details in the readme, but there’s probably some nuance to some things that is missing (e.g. “how can I add a script?” or “what happens when the app updates?”)

Can we get some volunteers to feed a page on the wiki?

I've put some of the tips and tricks in it, but the more the better -- and we could use an additional Atom Scripting article

noniman93

@blueveek said:
Yeah, that UI isn’t the best for editing velocities for individual notes, and designed more for broad strokes or adding chaos. There’s a few weird questions that might arise if I were to fix this, e.g “what happens when you select multiple notes”?

Really what’s needed is a proper way of editing velocity like in Atom 1, with cool lines and curves and all the shiny, and that is going to be part of the automation update.

Many thanks! Also, although the offset states aren’t recovered on the slider when moving from one note to the other but while playing the clip the velocity settings are respected right, for each note?

blueveek

@espiegel123 said:

@blueveek said:

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

---

Maybe we should make a separate thread for Atom scripting

That could be cool, certainly an FAQ would at least be nice. I’m trying to capture a lot of details in the readme, but there’s probably some nuance to some things that is missing (e.g. “how can I add a script?” or “what happens when the app updates?”)

Can we get some volunteers to feed a page on the wiki?

I've put some of the tips and tricks in it, but the more the better -- and we could use an additional Atom Scripting article

I will add as much detail there as needed, just help me to compile a list of questions. For example, if you think of something or you don’t know how to do something, chances are it’s a FAQ at this point Add it to the wiki and I’ll populate with an answer.

blueveek

@noniman93 said:

@blueveek said:
Yeah, that UI isn’t the best for editing velocities for individual notes, and designed more for broad strokes or adding chaos. There’s a few weird questions that might arise if I were to fix this, e.g “what happens when you select multiple notes”?

Really what’s needed is a proper way of editing velocity like in Atom 1, with cool lines and curves and all the shiny, and that is going to be part of the automation update.

Many thanks! Also, although the offset states aren’t recovered on the slider when moving from one note to the other but while playing the clip the velocity settings are respected right, for each note?

Yup!

tk32

I’d be happy to help with the wiki too

noniman93

@blueveek said:
Yup!

Thanks @blueveek . Your app is a wonder! I’d definitely leave a review on the App Store!

espiegel123

@tk32 said:
I’d be happy to help with the wiki too

I've set up 3 related pages. The main page (https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=atom_piano_roll_2#atom_piano_roll_2) and a scripting/css page and a FAQ page. There are links to the FAQ and scripting pages at the top of the base page.

Much appreciation in advance to anyone that contributes.

Folks! Please also add links to any videos to the pages. Feel free to just add the video URL if you don't know how to embed the video -- someone else can clean that up.

@blueveek

tk32

Excellent. thanks @espiegel123

I’ve started adding a few bits. Hopefully you won’t have to clean my markup too much

espiegel123

@tk32 said:
Excellent. thanks @espiegel123

I’ve started adding a few bits. Hopefully you won’t have to clean my markup too much

Tx!

sloJordan

@blueveek said:

@sloJordan said:
btw, thanks @blueveek for adding that sausage fingers script. Was able to look at that as an example and super quickly made a "really fat" fingers version with even larger buttons but smaller keyboard as I mostly use atom for live recording rather than editing. Really cool how easy it is to customize the ui to fit little changes like this!

Is it possible to change the ordering of buttons in the toolbars with a script? I've been looking through your documentation, but haven't been able to find the answer. Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated!

Nice, I’m glad people are getting into scripting. There’s a ton that can be unlocked this route, the rabbit hole is deep

Changing the ordering is possible, but I’d like to avoid enabling too many wacky things (there’s maybe too many already, which could prove significant effort to support down the line). Can you let me know what you’d like to do first? Just change the order of buttons in a toolbar? Maybe hide some buttons?

Ya of course, that makes sense. I'm interested in just doing some simple things. When you make the toolbars larger like in the sausage fingers version, it comes with the downside that not all the icons will fit on the screen without horizontal scrolling (especially because I'm using an ipad mini). The idea is to move buttons I need most frequently to be left-most in the order. Things like time signature, tempo, swing, or prob, to me personally are more "set and forget" items, compared to the buttons for zooming and opening the patterns menu which i am using constantly. But additionally, would be cool if i could move the zoom buttons to the right toolbar in the empty space above the Move button, but that sounds more complicated, so maybe that is too much for now.

I feel this question may be too specific for adding to the FAQ? but if you want I can add it there too.

echoopera

@blueveek said:

@Connor said:

@echoopera said:
@blueveek really enjoying Atom 2 but i am experiencing quite a few crashes when using multiple instances to drive 3 or more synths in Drambo.

Could you and @giku_beepstreet sync up to look in to this. Atom2 fails to load after it crashes in Drambo and i am unable to recover the file. Let me know if there’s anything i can provide to assist in this issue.

Thanks. 👊🏼™️

Ditto + more AU UI issues in Drambo too unfortunately. Missing buttons/options, no vertical scroll, horizontal menu can’t scroll 😕

This is very bizarre and since it works fine in other hosts, indicative of Drambo doing some funky business with how input events are sent to the plugin.

FWIW, i tracked down the bug. If i copy and paste a Rack with Atom2 and Korg Module Pro to a new track in Drambo, Atom 2 crashes and refuses to initialize and the instance is forever corrupt on any Saved file that had it running before the crash occurred.

I posted a video here showing the issue. Looks like i can’t use Module Pro with Atom 2 inside of Drambo for the time being.

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

Video:

blueveek

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

blueveek

@sloJordan said:

@blueveek said:

@sloJordan said:
btw, thanks @blueveek for adding that sausage fingers script. Was able to look at that as an example and super quickly made a "really fat" fingers version with even larger buttons but smaller keyboard as I mostly use atom for live recording rather than editing. Really cool how easy it is to customize the ui to fit little changes like this!

Is it possible to change the ordering of buttons in the toolbars with a script? I've been looking through your documentation, but haven't been able to find the answer. Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated!

Nice, I’m glad people are getting into scripting. There’s a ton that can be unlocked this route, the rabbit hole is deep

Changing the ordering is possible, but I’d like to avoid enabling too many wacky things (there’s maybe too many already, which could prove significant effort to support down the line). Can you let me know what you’d like to do first? Just change the order of buttons in a toolbar? Maybe hide some buttons?

Ya of course, that makes sense. I'm interested in just doing some simple things. When you make the toolbars larger like in the sausage fingers version, it comes with the downside that not all the icons will fit on the screen without horizontal scrolling (especially because I'm using an ipad mini). The idea is to move buttons I need most frequently to be left-most in the order.

Cool, this should be very straightforward. How about I name all of the buttons, then you can add an ‘order’ property to them in a CSS file to change the order in which they appear? (yes it really is that simple). DM me to hop on the beta and make sure we agree on the public API.

motmeister

Patterns within the same instance are not:
Simultaneous
Consecutive.

They are only selectable, one at a time (per instance).

Is that correct?

echoopera

@blueveek said:

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

Sure thing. Here you go:

https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0noKaA0AMlYrij4l9Njz4yxYQ#Atom-modulepro-crash_file

If Atom fails to load upon opening the file, just remove it and add it again to reinitialize the plug-in instance.

blueveek

@motmeister said:
Patterns within the same instance are not:
Simultaneous
Consecutive.

They are only selectable, one at a time (per instance).

Is that correct?

Correct. I am currently experimenting with ways to make them triggerable. The upcoming 2.0.2 update will also add a non-destructive merge function that addresses the “simultaneous” aspect.

reasOne

Has anyone made a video or explained how to trigger atom 2 sequences with LK?
I like the idea is using atom 2 for the sequencing but launching clips via LK. I don’t have a hardware midi controller

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sloJordan

@blueveek said:

@sloJordan said:

@blueveek said:

@sloJordan said:
btw, thanks @blueveek for adding that sausage fingers script. Was able to look at that as an example and super quickly made a "really fat" fingers version with even larger buttons but smaller keyboard as I mostly use atom for live recording rather than editing. Really cool how easy it is to customize the ui to fit little changes like this!

Is it possible to change the ordering of buttons in the toolbars with a script? I've been looking through your documentation, but haven't been able to find the answer. Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated!

Nice, I’m glad people are getting into scripting. There’s a ton that can be unlocked this route, the rabbit hole is deep

Changing the ordering is possible, but I’d like to avoid enabling too many wacky things (there’s maybe too many already, which could prove significant effort to support down the line). Can you let me know what you’d like to do first? Just change the order of buttons in a toolbar? Maybe hide some buttons?

Ya of course, that makes sense. I'm interested in just doing some simple things. When you make the toolbars larger like in the sausage fingers version, it comes with the downside that not all the icons will fit on the screen without horizontal scrolling (especially because I'm using an ipad mini). The idea is to move buttons I need most frequently to be left-most in the order.

Cool, this should be very straightforward. How about I name all of the buttons, then you can add an ‘order’ property to them in a CSS file to change the order in which they appear? (yes it really is that simple). DM me to hop on the beta and make sure we agree on the public API.

That sounds perfect! will dm

gregsmith

I got round to trying Atom 2 and LK together this evening, with LK launching Atom clips. It works really well. There’s something nice about separating the arrangement from the clips. LK does clip launching very neatly, Atom brings the extra depth and control.

Here’s a video.

I set all the Atom clips to ‘hold’ launch mode, and set the triggers to be an octave higher with each column, so first row would be C-1, C0, C1, C2 etc.
Second row would be C#-1, C#0, C#1, C#2, and so on.

LK clips are set to the same amount of bars as their corresponding Atom clip, with a long note trigger that fills the whole clip.

Hope this is helpful to some.

Edward_Alexander

@echoopera said:

@blueveek said:

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

Sure thing. Here you go:
https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0noKaA0AMlYrij4l9Njz4yxYQ#Atom-modulepro-crash_file

If Atom fails to load upon opening the file, just remove it and add it again to reinitialize the plug-in instance.

I noticed this not by copy and pasting, but just by saving a project with any Atom 2 instances would result in this behavior when trying to load it back up.

echoopera

@Intrepolicious said:

@echoopera said:

@blueveek said:

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

Sure thing. Here you go:
https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0noKaA0AMlYrij4l9Njz4yxYQ#Atom-modulepro-crash_file

If Atom fails to load upon opening the file, just remove it and add it again to reinitialize the plug-in instance.

I noticed this not by copy and pasting, but just by saving a project with any Atom 2 instances would result in this behavior when trying to load it back up.

Yep. Something about how Drambo is handling the AUv3 instances of Module Pro does not treat Atom2 right.

Edward_Alexander

@echoopera said:

@Intrepolicious said:

@echoopera said:

@blueveek said:

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

Sure thing. Here you go:
https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0noKaA0AMlYrij4l9Njz4yxYQ#Atom-modulepro-crash_file

If Atom fails to load upon opening the file, just remove it and add it again to reinitialize the plug-in instance.

I noticed this not by copy and pasting, but just by saving a project with any Atom 2 instances would result in this behavior when trying to load it back up.

Yep. Something about how Drambo is handling the AUv3 instances of Module Pro does not treat Atom2 right.

I don’t think it’s anything specific to Module pro (which I don’t even have) but any track with an Atom 2 instance in it. This is happening no matter what kind of AUv3 instrument I’m using. Everything plays and gets along fine until I try to save and reopen the project.

echoopera

@Intrepolicious said:

@echoopera said:

@Intrepolicious said:

@echoopera said:

@blueveek said:

@echoopera said:

I hope the video helps @blueveek @giku_beepstreet as it demonstrates a repeatable issue you can hopefully instrument.

What an excellent video and report! From the video, it seems like the issue might be with the other plugins and not Atom. However, can you please send me the project or some way for me to reproduce this locally? If there’s a workaround I can add in Atom, I’m happy to verify.

Sure thing. Here you go:
https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0noKaA0AMlYrij4l9Njz4yxYQ#Atom-modulepro-crash_file

If Atom fails to load upon opening the file, just remove it and add it again to reinitialize the plug-in instance.

I noticed this not by copy and pasting, but just by saving a project with any Atom 2 instances would result in this behavior when trying to load it back up.

Yep. Something about how Drambo is handling the AUv3 instances of Module Pro does not treat Atom2 right.

I don’t think it’s anything specific to Module pro (which I don’t even have) but any track with an Atom 2 instance in it. This is happening no matter what kind of AUv3 instrument I’m using. Everything plays and gets along fine until I try to save and reopen the project.

Hrmm...i guess i haven’t ventured that deep into it since the first crash kept me from really using it in Drambo. I am sure @blueveek and @giku_beepstreet will figure out what’s going on soon.

reasOne

@gregsmith said:
I got round to trying Atom 2 and LK together this evening, with LK launching Atom clips. It works really well. There’s something nice about separating the arrangement from the clips. LK does clip launching very neatly, Atom brings the extra depth and control.

Here’s a video.

I set all the Atom clips to ‘hold’ launch mode, and set the triggers to be an octave higher with each column, so first row would be C-1, C0, C1, C2 etc.
Second row would be C#-1, C#0, C#1, C#2, and so on.

LK clips are set to the same amount of bars as their corresponding Atom clip, with a long note trigger that fills the whole clip.

Hope this is helpful to some.

Nice!!! Just commented on YouTube! Thanks for this