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  • xorxor

    @xor said:
    @blueveek @tk32 2.0.6 🎉

    I also noticed the same problem as @MisplacedDevelopment did. Atom is switching patterns after the midi notes are generated (I had noticed the same thing in aum in earlier versions too). Sometimes it works but it appears wrong more often than right.

    Does it still happen if you set the tempo to something like 121.1? Me and @giku_beepstreet had a few issues in an older beta where rounding errors made it so that the pattern change messages that Drambo was sending could get lost. The way Atom implements it, it should be perfectly sample-accurate, but same could be said about Drambo, and perhaps we just don't match our "rounding" behavior :) I'll investigate.

    I couldn’t figure out how to get exactly 121.1 but at least 50 other, mostly integer, bpm between 40 and 300 exhibited the same behavior.

  • blueveekblueveek

    @xor said:
    I couldn’t figure out how to get exactly 121.1 but at least 50 other, mostly integer, bpm between 40 and 300 exhibited the same behavior.

    Gotcha, thanks! I'll have a look.

  • blueveekblueveek

    @zah said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:
    about drawing notes - would really like an option to ‘repeat after 1, 2, 3, 4... notes’

    I support this idea :) great for drums especially

    I think it would be super cool to have an euclidian paintbrush-like variant of the 'add' tool.

  • xorxor

    @blueveek said:

    @xor said:
    I couldn’t figure out how to get exactly 121.1 but at least 50 other, mostly integer, bpm between 40 and 300 exhibited the same behavior.

    Gotcha, thanks! I'll have a look.

    Here’s a new version that uses a cc trigger (track 1) rather than a lfo (track 2). I was wondering if it was a cc timing issue but, no.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nbo9sdbzcn0a7g4/Atom Test 2.drproject?dl=0

  • xorxor

    @blueveek said:

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    Sorry @blueveek , I hope you haven’t spent too long on this. One of my patterns was set to ableton or launchpad rather than hold which I think explains my issue.

    I'm glad everything is working. Just FYI, the clip launch settings are per-clip, while patterns are always in immediate-gate switching mode (with legato), but that's the expected default. I will however have another look at this.

    Not sure if this is related but as I was creating new patterns (variations for a Drambo pattern) I found myself wishing that the launch button on the pattern wasn’t immediate but rather activated at the next sync quantum just like clip launching.

  • xorxor

    @tk32 said:
    @slicetwo

    Yep. Up until the most recent update you had to have a separate clip for each separate pattern.

    This update has just opened the 4th dimension.

    by the way, it's theoretically still possible to have your one launchpad controlling both clip launching AND pattern selection. Here's one possible scenario (of many)...

    The pads on your launchpad select which clip is playing, and the velocity you hit the pad with determines which of that clip's many different sub-patterns is selected.

    Mind bending!!

    Being able to assign velocity ranges to patterns would make it totally playable.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    Aww nobody commented on the atom dream I had:(

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    Finally got a day off tomorrow. Atom2 and I have a date!

  • onerezonerez

    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

  • reasOnereasOne

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Set to same scale? If atom has a scale selected that is different from autony it could maybe do that or quantize them

  • onerezonerez
    edited April 2021

    @reasOne said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Set to same scale? If atom has a scale selected that is different from autony it could maybe do that or quantize them

    I have done both... no scale and same scale.... I have quantize off ass to capture as is... I still get missing notes.

    I can record straight into LK with no issues at all....... ☹️

    Also how the heck you access the manual from the in help?? I mean it launches the manual and there are pointers to a web version but you cant click them. They are not hyper linked?

  • tk32tk32

    @onerez hyperlinks are sadly disabled when viewing PDFs inside the app UI.

    Here's a (clickable) link to the manual for you...

    Https://tinyurl.com/Atom2Manual

  • vasilymilovidovvasilymilovidov

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    can you show you settings? just tried it and everything’s working fine for me

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?


    can you show you settings? just tried it and everything’s working fine for me

    Yeah, I tried it too in AUM and no dropped notes.

  • blueveekblueveek
    edited April 2021

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Aww nobody commented on the atom dream I had:(

    I mean... I've read it at least, and it was quite the literary journey :)

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    I'd be frustrated or confused as well if that were happening to me. If you can, please send me a test project which exhibits this behavior, and I'll have a look. Papercuts like these are something I'm very interested in ironing out – the first experience with the app shouldn't have any surprises like these.

    @onerez said:
    Also how the heck you access the manual from the in help?? I mean it launches the manual and there are pointers to a web version but you cant click them. They are not hyper linked?

    AUs are not allowed to open hyperlinks in an external browser. The only workaround could be to open a browser within the AU itself, but then you'd then still have to copy the link and open it externally yourself, as many things (e.g. downloading) are disabled or not working properly. Sadly, the only thing you can do for now is either type the short url in a browser yourself, or follow @tk32's link from the previous comment.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Aww nobody commented on the atom dream I had:(

    I thought it was great! Tragic yet great.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    tiny UI suggestion...
    Long pressed pop up areas could have an ‘x’ so they can be closed without second long press or without even thinking which one should I hold on to :)

  • vasilymilovidovvasilymilovidov

    when in process->pitch mode tonic menu doesn’t go backwards. it deselects everything instead.

  • OscarSouthOscarSouth

    @blueveek
    Could I make a feature suggestion that the bar numbering on the timeline could be displaced back or forward by an arbitrary amount? (as a result, making 'zero' and 'negative' bar numbering possible)

    What I'd use this for is adding pre-roll 'zero' bars when routing with external sequencers into Atom2 (I have to add a bar of silence or I'm losing the first notes of the first bar) or moving the bar numbering to the logical start of the composition, where I'm truncating the beginning of the pattern using the timeline area.

  • onerezonerez

    @vasilymilovidov said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?


    can you show you settings? just tried it and everything’s working fine for me

    @blueveek I also sent you a message... I did figure what the problem might be. Yes if you let the probability of Autony stay at 100% it records fine. But I had my probability set to 39% to get different sequences evolving. Autony plays it fine. LK can record it fine, but Atom does not capture all the notes coming in.

  • carvingcodecarvingcode

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Any chance you have changed the Probability setting?

  • onerezonerez

    @carvingcode said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Any chance you have changed the Probability setting?

    Yes see my last post. But why does that matter? What is the mechanism that allows LK to capture all of it, but Atom is not?

  • blueveekblueveek

    @onerez said:

    @carvingcode said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Any chance you have changed the Probability setting?

    Yes see my last post. But why does that matter? What is the mechanism that allows LK to capture all of it, but Atom is not?

    I don't know, but we can probably figure that out and easily fix it.

  • carvingcodecarvingcode

    @onerez said:

    @carvingcode said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Any chance you have changed the Probability setting?

    Yes see my last post. But why does that matter? What is the mechanism that allows LK to capture all of it, but Atom is not?

    I was referring to Probability in Atom 2.

  • onerezonerez

    @carvingcode said:

    @onerez said:

    @carvingcode said:

    @onerez said:
    So what the heck..... I am trying to do a simple recording of autony into Atom2. I have it set right I believe no quantized note selected.. Atom does not pick up all the notes. It misses some every now and again???

    What have I done wrong?

    Any chance you have changed the Probability setting?

    Yes see my last post. But why does that matter? What is the mechanism that allows LK to capture all of it, but Atom is not?

    I was referring to Probability in Atom 2.

    Yes sorry. No I dont.... I am working offline on this with Victor...

    Thanks for the help!

  • blueveekblueveek

    We figured it out. Autony is not sending 'note off' events for the first pitch it plays (either 'on' with velocity 0, or 'off') when lowering the reliability knob, and instead relying on a second audible note on to 'reset'. This only happens for the initial pitch and all further notes with that pitch will be affected. Technically, I think this is incorrect, but I can work around it.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @blueveek said:
    We figured it out. Autony is not sending 'note off' events for the first pitch it plays (either 'on' with velocity 0, or 'off') when lowering the reliability knob, and instead relying on a second audible note on to 'reset'. This only happens for the initial pitch and all further notes with that pitch will be affected. Technically, I think this is incorrect, but I can work around it.

    FWIW, Autony is supposed to be “unreliable”.

  • blueveekblueveek

    @Intrepolicious said:

    @blueveek said:
    We figured it out. Autony is not sending 'note off' events for the first pitch it plays (either 'on' with velocity 0, or 'off') when lowering the reliability knob, and instead relying on a second audible note on to 'reset'. This only happens for the initial pitch and all further notes with that pitch will be affected. Technically, I think this is incorrect, but I can work around it.

    FWIW, Autony is supposed to be “unreliable”.

    Yes, it's a good stress test :)

  • MisplacedDevelopmentMisplacedDevelopment

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    At first I did have a problem with not seeing what the notes on the other tracks were playing as it makes composition more difficult but you can use the layers functionality of Atom to overlay the notes from other patterns to aid with composition. You also obviously lose the MIDI preview of your data in the DAW which is a helpful thing to have but this can be worked around by appropriate naming of your DAW clips.

    (Moved from other thread)

    @blueveek on the above point, is it possible to add an option to show either what is playing or what is being edited when refreshing the layers list? The use case is where I jump to a different song part on the timeline and want to compose against what is currently playing in the section I have looped. At the moment I need to manually select the pattern that it is playing in the other Atom instance as the layers view only shows what you last clicked on to edit, which may be different to what is now playing. I hope that makes sense.

  • OscarSouthOscarSouth

    @blueveek Throwing in another feature suggestion here: I'm immediately hungering for the ability to view 'the grid' in ms or samples, rather than bars/beats, for truly 'off the grid' MIDI! (although I don't actually need that for anything specific and I'm sure it'd introduce plenty of other conceptual complications to other areas of the interface)

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