Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

MisplacedDevelopment

@blueveek having great fun this afternoon playing with the new multi-channel mode. I have found myself wanting to reassign the channel of some of the bass notes I have written for a keyboard part so that they play on a different instrument/channel but I cannot see a way of changing the channel of a note short of rewriting it. Unless I have missed it and it already exists then would you please consider adding a “channel modify” note processing option at some point? Thanks.

Edit: just thought I can probably copy/delete/paste the relevant notes to the other channel, I’ll try that.
Edit2: yes, that works. I noticed that the selected notes do not disappear when I hide the channel, not sure if that is by design.

Stuntman_mike

@blueveek thank you for the empty pattern control!!! You’re like Santa 🎅

blueveek

@noniman93 said:
When multiple patterns are being triggered from a clip, how is the timeline maintained in the case of unequal loop lengths across patterns? I ask this because there is no concept of sync quantum(or is there?) in between patterns as there are in between clips!

Simply retrigger the clip. The pattern switching and playhead positioning are decoupled, so you can use the clip launching settings for the latter.

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
Edit: just thought I can probably copy/delete/paste the relevant notes to the other channel, I’ll try that.
Edit2: yes, that works. I noticed that the selected notes do not disappear when I hide the channel, not sure if that is by design.

It is! If I want to move notes to another channel, I usually pick the channel first, instead of doing a "cut" first.

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek thank you for the empty pattern control!!! You’re like Santa 🎅

Thanks for explaining what you need it for

gregsmith

So is it now possible to have a single row of atoms then a column of pads on a launchpad triggering the patterns within the corresponding atom instance?

(Hope that makes sense to someone!!)

Fingolfinzz

I picked a good day to get a launchpad

echoopera

@blueveek Atom2 is really shaping up to be something else. Really great work 👊🏼™️

@vasilymilovidov Thanks for the screenshots. I was scratching my head at first. Quick question. Is there a way to have different colors for the individual Channels in the single view, or do all channels share one color and you use the Channel Filter control to keep things organized.

I think Atom2 should be a part of everyone’s essential set of tools.

Stuntman_mike

@echoopera said:
@blueveek Atom2 is really shaping up to be something else. Really great work 👊🏼™️

@vasilymilovidov Thanks for the screenshots. I was scratching my head at first. Quick question. Is there a way to have different colors for the individual Channels in the single view, or do all channels share one color and you use the Channel Filter control to keep things organized.

I think Atom2 should be a part of everyone’s essential set of tools.

Good idea: color options for different channels!

tk32

@echoopera

Just select the built-in MIDI Channel Colors sylesheet (or make your own version of the CSS file and install it by drag&dropping it onto Atom from a hovering files app)

blueveek

Tip: to have a unique color per channel, read the tips in the release notes. (bah, who am I kidding, I don’t read ‘em either).

Use the "MIDI Channel Colors" theme

echoopera

@tk32 said:
@echoopera

Just select the built-in MIDI Channel Colors sylesheet (or make your own version of the CSS file and install it by drag&dropping it onto Atom from a hovering files app)

@blueveek said:
Tip: to have a unique color per channel, read the tips in the release notes. (bah, who am I kidding, I don’t read ‘em either).

Use the "MIDI Channel Colors" theme

Who has time to read. I just Update and Open. Hahaha. Thanks for the feedback. This is stellar. Thanks so much of thinking of everything and sharing this Genius with us. 👊🏼💕

echoopera

We’re entering the Atomic2 Age with Drambo now 🌞

@blueveek I just want to sincerely thank you for the Single instance MultiChannel capability of Atom2. It’s going to be such a huge workflow enhancement for all of us who have enjoy using Atom2. Great work 👊🏼™️💕

Stuntman_mike

@blueveek said:
Tip: to have a unique color per channel, read the tips in the release notes. (bah, who am I kidding, I don’t read ‘em either).

Use the "MIDI Channel Colors" theme

Genius!!!

echoopera

Here’s a super quick overview of how i will be integrating it within Drambo. And yes, i am placing it on the Main Channel 😜

reasOne

@echoopera said:
Here’s a super quick overview of how i will be integrating it within Drambo. And yes, i am placing it on the Main Channel 😜

This is officially the best workflow for an iPhone!

Super organized set up, nice and tight with sequencing several apps in one atom2 instance, i added a second instance just for drums, drambo fits really good on my iPhone 12 pro max.
This makes iPhone music making great again LOL .
I usually just tinker on the phone and do the heavy stuff on my iPad but this literally changes it all and Makes phone work way less frustrating and more enjoyable.
My phone is alive!
And def will transfer well to the iPad.
Imagine if you could load aum into drambo LOL that would be insane

wim

@blueveek said:

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
Edit: just thought I can probably copy/delete/paste the relevant notes to the other channel, I’ll try that.
Edit2: yes, that works. I noticed that the selected notes do not disappear when I hide the channel, not sure if that is by design.

It is! If I want to move notes to another channel, I usually pick the channel first, instead of doing a "cut" first.

I’m not having any luck with this in either the beta or the production release.

1. Enter notes on channel 1.
2. Change to another channel on the pencil tool.
3. Test by entering a few notes and verifying they are on the new channel/color.
4. Select some notes on channel 1 and cut to clipboard.
5. Paste. Notes are added with unknown channel. Color is Blue (the channel 1 color), but the channel number doesn’t display.

I think it worked once, the very first time, but I’ve not been able to get it to work since. Am I misunderstanding how this should work? I expected the paste to happen on the new channel.

brattcave

@ blueveek, why chords (from Tonality or ChordPolyPad) are recorded correctly in Atom1 but randomly arpegiated in Atom2?

You have step input enabled.

@blueveek yes, I would like like to step record them, like in Atom1, which is simple and quick input.
Is this option removed on Atom2?

Ah, gotcha! Step input inserts each note step by step with chords. I think it's also reasonable to expect notes that come in very close succession to be input together. I'll add this in an update in the very near future.

(Said without expectation!) Does anyone know if this has been implemented yet? i.e in step input, the chords from an external app like Tonality come in as chords, rather than arpeggiated?
Wondering if I've overlooked a clever long press type function or something?

Either way, really enjoying the progress of this outstanding app - really needs a 'tip jar' type function (E.g like Piano motifs) - so we can at least keep this chap's supply of coffee and snacks well topped up!

MisplacedDevelopment

@wim said:

@blueveek said:

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
Edit: just thought I can probably copy/delete/paste the relevant notes to the other channel, I’ll try that.
Edit2: yes, that works. I noticed that the selected notes do not disappear when I hide the channel, not sure if that is by design.

It is! If I want to move notes to another channel, I usually pick the channel first, instead of doing a "cut" first.

I’m not having any luck with this in either the beta or the production release.

1. Enter notes on channel 1.
2. Change to another channel on the pencil tool.
3. Test by entering a few notes and verifying they are on the new channel/color.
4. Select some notes on channel 1 and cut to clipboard.
5. Paste. Notes are added with unknown channel. Color is Blue (the channel 1 color), but the channel number doesn’t display.

I think it worked once, the very first time, but I’ve not been able to get it to work since. Am I misunderstanding how this should work? I expected the paste to happen on the new channel.

One thing to look out for is whether you are editing multiple channels or a single channel. I would lock all channels to start with then unlock the one I’m working on. If there is a single channel number without a plus in the top left then you should be good to go. Here is how I can copy a single note between channels:

1. Lock all channels
2. Unlock channel 1
3. Add note to piano roll, it appears in channel 1 colours
4. Select note and copy
5. Lock channel 1
6. Unlock channel 2
7. Paste note from clipboard menu
8. It should appear in channel 2 colours

blueveek

@wim said:

@blueveek said:

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
Edit: just thought I can probably copy/delete/paste the relevant notes to the other channel, I’ll try that.
Edit2: yes, that works. I noticed that the selected notes do not disappear when I hide the channel, not sure if that is by design.

It is! If I want to move notes to another channel, I usually pick the channel first, instead of doing a "cut" first.

I’m not having any luck with this in either the beta or the production release.

1. Enter notes on channel 1.
2. Change to another channel on the pencil tool.
3. Test by entering a few notes and verifying they are on the new channel/color.
4. Select some notes on channel 1 and cut to clipboard.
5. Paste. Notes are added with unknown channel. Color is Blue (the channel 1 color), but the channel number doesn’t display.

I see how that could be considered confusing. It's not an "unknown" channel, the notes are on channel 1. However, the tiny label inside the note is not displayed, since channel 1 is the default and I thought it was redundant. The labels inside the notes are just helper visual guides when working with multiple channels within the same view. You can easily verify this by showing/hiding, locking/unlocking or muting/unmuting channel 1.

I think it worked once, the very first time, but I’ve not been able to get it to work since. Am I misunderstanding how this should work? I expected the paste to happen on the new channel.

It does. However, when you're long pressing the "Add" button, you're picking the default channel for manual note entry, not for other operations. Just tap on the channel button in the top left and pick your targeted channels there.

All of this might be a little confusing at first, but it's necessary, given the fact that multiple channels can be edited at the same time. There needs to be a way of showing multiple channels at the same time, and also a way of picking a single note entry channel for manual input.

To copy-paste between channels, all you need to do is
1. Make a selection
2. Copy
3. Pick another channel from the top-left
4. Paste

@brattcave said:

@ blueveek, why chords (from Tonality or ChordPolyPad) are recorded correctly in Atom1 but randomly arpegiated in Atom2?

You have step input enabled.

@blueveek yes, I would like like to step record them, like in Atom1, which is simple and quick input.
Is this option removed on Atom2?

Ah, gotcha! Step input inserts each note step by step with chords. I think it's also reasonable to expect notes that come in very close succession to be input together. I'll add this in an update in the very near future.

(Said without expectation!) Does anyone know if this has been implemented yet? i.e in step input, the chords from an external app like Tonality come in as chords, rather than arpeggiated?
Wondering if I've overlooked a clever long press type function or something?

Not yet, but you're not the only one requesting it!

Pxlhg

@echoopera said:
Here’s a super quick overview of how i will be integrating it within Drambo. And yes, i am placing it on the Main Channel 😜

Thanks for showing that.

wexy

@blueveek I'm having trouble recording now the notes show up but disapear any ideas
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0opxdhr1cf3phsz/RPReplay_Final1621156375.MP4?dl=0

blueveek

@wexy said:
@blueveek I'm having trouble recording now the notes show up but disapear any ideas
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0opxdhr1cf3phsz/RPReplay_Final1621156375.MP4?dl=0

You're most likely recording into a channel that you've hidden.
Click on the channel button in the top left and show it.

wexy

@blueveek said:

@wexy said:
@blueveek I'm having trouble recording now the notes show up but disapear any ideas
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0opxdhr1cf3phsz/RPReplay_Final1621156375.MP4?dl=0

You're most likely recording into a channel that you've hidden.
Click on the channel button in the top left and show it.

Yeah, I worked this out. I'm getting there getting confused with all the new midi and a new LP

What I am trying to do is set the LP notes to ch1 and use mozaic to send midi through onto the correct track channel.
Looks like this kind of works but seems to give unpredictable results when recording leaving small slices and inconsistent note length for chords
Without this, it seems necessary to change the LP notes ch manually for each track? Or am I missing something?
Thanks

Stuntman_mike

@blueveek when I copy and paste notes at the play head I don’t hear them on playback and I’m using channel colors so it looks like when I pasted the notes the channel changed. What am I doing wrong?

tk32

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek when I copy and paste notes at the play head I don’t hear them on playback and I’m using channel colors so it looks like when I pasted the notes the channel changed. What am I doing wrong?

It sounds like you pasted the notes onto a channel that is either not enabled, or not being routed into another intrument/plugin.

Open the midi channel controls and check you are in filter mode, and have the neccessary channels enabled. You may find it easier just to enable all and show all channels

note this section in the latest release notes..

The Magic Clipboard will now paste on the first "targeted" channel, shown in the top left. Long pressing the paste buttons will paste preserving the original channels, for more advanced use-cases.

blueveek

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek when I copy and paste notes at the play head I don’t hear them on playback and I’m using channel colors so it looks like when I pasted the notes the channel changed. What am I doing wrong?

Sounds like you've copied notes on one channel, and expected them to paste on the same channel, but you were working on (targeting) a different channel.

Pasting pastes on the targeted channel, shown in the top left.
To paste preserving channel, long press "Paste at playhead" or "Paste at start".
Whenever you paste, there's a notification shown at the top saying onto which channel you've pasted.

Stuntman_mike

@tk32 said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek when I copy and paste notes at the play head I don’t hear them on playback and I’m using channel colors so it looks like when I pasted the notes the channel changed. What am I doing wrong?

It sounds like you pasted the notes onto a channel that is either not enabled, or not being routed into another intrument/plugin.

Open the midi channel controls and check you are in filter mode, and have the neccessary channels enabled. You may find it easier just to enable all and show all channels

note this section in the latest release notes..

The Magic Clipboard will now paste on the first "targeted" channel, shown in the top left. Long pressing the paste buttons will paste preserving the original channels, for more advanced use-cases.

@blueveek said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek when I copy and paste notes at the play head I don’t hear them on playback and I’m using channel colors so it looks like when I pasted the notes the channel changed. What am I doing wrong?

Sounds like you've copied notes on one channel, and expected them to paste on the same channel, but you were working on (targeting) a different channel.

Pasting pastes on the targeted channel, shown in the top left.
To paste preserving channel, long press "Paste at playhead" or "Paste at start".
Whenever you paste, there's a notification shown at the top saying onto which channel you've pasted.

This makes sense, thank you both!

onerez

@brattcave said:

@ blueveek, why chords (from Tonality or ChordPolyPad) are recorded correctly in Atom1 but randomly arpegiated in Atom2?

You have step input enabled.

@blueveek yes, I would like like to step record them, like in Atom1, which is simple and quick input.
Is this option removed on Atom2?

Ah, gotcha! Step input inserts each note step by step with chords. I think it's also reasonable to expect notes that come in very close succession to be input together. I'll add this in an update in the very near future.

(Said without expectation!) Does anyone know if this has been implemented yet? i.e in step input, the chords from an external app like Tonality come in as chords, rather than arpeggiated?
Wondering if I've overlooked a clever long press type function or something?

Either way, really enjoying the progress of this outstanding app - really needs a 'tip jar' type function (E.g like Piano motifs) - so we can at least keep this chap's supply of coffee and snacks well topped up!

Hmmmm. Yes weird I just tried this and the chords come in arpeggiated. Are we missing some tick or long press to stop this from happening?

Stuntman_mike

@onerez said:

@brattcave said:

@ blueveek, why chords (from Tonality or ChordPolyPad) are recorded correctly in Atom1 but randomly arpegiated in Atom2?

You have step input enabled.

@blueveek yes, I would like like to step record them, like in Atom1, which is simple and quick input.
Is this option removed on Atom2?

Ah, gotcha! Step input inserts each note step by step with chords. I think it's also reasonable to expect notes that come in very close succession to be input together. I'll add this in an update in the very near future.

(Said without expectation!) Does anyone know if this has been implemented yet? i.e in step input, the chords from an external app like Tonality come in as chords, rather than arpeggiated?
Wondering if I've overlooked a clever long press type function or something?

Either way, really enjoying the progress of this outstanding app - really needs a 'tip jar' type function (E.g like Piano motifs) - so we can at least keep this chap's supply of coffee and snacks well topped up!

Hmmmm. Yes weird I just tried this and the chords come in arpeggiated. Are we missing some tick or long press to stop this from happening?

I believe this is the only option for chords in Step Input right now. I would imagine this feature will be updated soon.

Stuntman_mike

@blueveek minor feature request: is there a way or can you create a option in the Move controls that allows us to move the play head without any notes selected for precision control? I’m thinking about pasting notes in specific places.

Oh by the way: I love the Blank Pattern control. It has elevated my workflow tremendously! I can just keep on creating patterns/takes. I’m using a Launchpad Mini and Launchkey 37 with a sustain pedal to trigger Blank Patterns.

blueveek

@Stuntman_mike said:
@blueveek minor feature request: is there a way or can you create a option in the Move controls that allows us to move the play head without any notes selected for precision control? I’m thinking about pasting notes in specific places.

Do you know you can tap on the ruler to place the playhead? It'll be quantized to grid.