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Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

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  • Not sure if I’m missing something but it seems to me that sometimes updating a loop brace in a pattern doesnt stick. I made a short vid, where you can see when I change the loop brace the length doesnt change in the patterns window [editing] pattern. Moving to another pattern and coming back leaves you with the loop brace in the old position unchanged. I do it a few times and sometimes it changes sometimes it doesnt. Maybe I’m doing it the wrong way?

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/DELxvVWPyVxRhPar9

  • @zah said:
    With Atom, I feel like I missed a couple weeks of math class, and now I’m completely out of the loop...looking forward to manual 1.01

    This. :) I'm constantly torn between "I'm just to slow for this" and "I wish Victor relaxed a bit; there is a speed of development which stops being user friendly" :)

  • edited May 2021

    @soundtemple thanks for the suspected bug report and helpful video.

    So far, I've been unable to reproduce this in the latest beta of Atom2, which either means...

    1. I'm unable to find the exact scenario/steps that cause it, or
    2. It has been previously reported and fixed in the latest beta.

    I'll continue trying to recreate it, and ask Blueveek if this was fixed behind-the-scenes, but in the meantime if you (or anyone else) can identify any further the steps to reproduce that would be a big help.

  • edited May 2021

    @blueveek I’ve been trying to get Atom pattern triggering working in Cubasis 3 and have hit a problem which I can reproduce but I do not know if it is something that you or Steinberg need to investigate.

    The problem is Atom instances being reset/swapped out. I noticed it randomly happening but I have now managed to reliably recreate.

    To recreate:

    1. Create a new CB3 project
    2. Add a new MIDI track
    3. Under “MIDI Effects”, add MIDI Bus, then 4 Atom instances
    4. Create a second MIDI track and do the same as (3).
    5. Go back to the first track and drag the MIDI Bus plugin so it is the last thing in the list
    6. Check the Atoms in that track, some may or may not have changed.
    7. Drag the MIDI Bus plugin back to the top of the chain. You don’t seem to be able to drag upwards, it is more a click to place manouevre.
    8. Check the Atom plugins in track 1, you will see that some will have reset and taken on the internal Atom track numbers from the instances in track 2. You may also see this error:

    Once in this state then if you add any new notes to Atom instances and then try and move their position in the Effects chain then the instance state is reset each time it is moved and all notes are lost.

    No longer true, see below -> I have only been able to recreate this behaviour so far using MIDI Bus as the first plugin. Might there be some internal comms overlap between the MIDI Bus plugin and the IPC used by the Atom instances? I tried recreating this in NS2 and the reordering of plugins did not have the same effect.

    EDIT: As discussed in this other thread https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/45283/midi-bus-au#latest , I see the same behaviour with MIDI Route + MIDI Clone + MIDI Key Zone. Also, it is not just Atom that is affected, for example Mozaic in place of Atom will also lose its state.

  • I find step-recording chords to be a bit of a challenge as things are at the moment :)

    The playhead seems to advance after every incoming note and not after all notes have been released or tie/rest has been used (sustain pedal in most cases) which is a de-facto standard for step-recording.

    Hopefully this will not 'slip' as it feels like a pretty simple fix, at least in theory.

    Cheers!

  • @soundtemple I've had that or something like it a bit, usually with longish patterns. Sometimes I'd change the brace, but it wouldn't loop that section when I hit play. Like you, the pattern wouldn't show the updated brace length either. It happened to me after I was copying various sections of a master pattern to shorter patterns in the same clip, and needing to move sections around and update the loop brace length. I can't be more specific than that really.
    Also had an issue where I couldn't extend the default 2-bar pattern at all because the +/- buttons wouldn't show. don't know if anyone else has experienced that.

  • @tk32 thanks. I'll see if I can work out the exact steps to replicate as well. Sometimes I can't make it happen other times it happens multiple times in a row.

    @SimonSomeone ah good to know. My experience was with short clips 2bars or less

  • edited May 2021

    Pls help. Why isn’t this clip playing, obvs when I hit AUM play?

  • @NimboStratus said:
    Pls help. Why isn’t this clip playing, obvs when I hit AUM play?

    There’s nothing I can see in the screenshot that would explain why it’s not working for you.

    Could you send me the project via dm?

  • Sorry could you remind me how to

  • @NimboStratus

    Long press the project in the AUM project browser. Export it to a cloud storage service of your choice, then send me a link to it here via a private message.

    Or i can send my email address, if that's easier

  • @NimboStratus said:
    Pls help. Why isn’t this clip playing, obvs when I hit AUM play?

    Have you tried restarting your iPad to make sure it isn't just some glitch fixed by a restart?

  • @espiegel123 said:

    Have you tried restarting your iPad to make sure it isn't just some glitch fixed by a restart?

    yeah. will pm you @tk32 - ta

  • iOS 14.6 make Atom 2 much smoother… Thanks..

  • Been trying to fit Atom 2 into Cubasis 3 the last few days and the most reliable way I have found of triggering patterns is by having my trigger notes hosted on the MIDI track and the MIDI going directly to an Atom instance as the first thing in the MIDI chain.

    I would like to be able to use Atom 2 orchestrator(s) rather than the CB3 timeline for triggering but this is currently blocked by a couple of bugs. The first is duplicate notes when using MIDI routing, which is apparently due to be fixed in the next patch. The second I raised a bug report just now for - basically consecutive notes are not reliably sent between plugins in the MIDI chain so I cannot reliably trigger using Atom as an orchestrator:

    https://forums.steinberg.net/t/notes-dropped-when-generated-by-midi-plugins/720920

    Thought I would post this here in case anyone has worked around this somehow.

  • @RajahP said:
    iOS 14.6 make Atom 2 much smoother… Thanks..

    Yepp, this is very noticeable on older devices such as my iPad Air 2 :)

  • I'm not having any luck triggering the pattern plays via MIDI
    All my other midi triggers are working great ie Rec, Dup, Clear & Launch
    I have setup the CC, Switch Chanel, CC# and offset but they dont change
    It works but only changes to 1 pattern when set in the AUM parameters
    Is there something I am overlooking?

  • wimwim
    edited May 2021

    @wexy said:
    I'm not having any luck triggering the pattern plays via MIDI
    All my other midi triggers are working great ie Rec, Dup, Clear & Launch
    I have setup the CC, Switch Chanel, CC# and offset but they dont change
    It works but only changes to 1 pattern when set in the AUM parameters
    Is there something I am overlooking?

    If I understand what you're saying correctly ... You don't want to send the CC values to the AUM parameter, but to Atom 2 itself.

  • @wim said:

    @wexy said:
    I'm not having any luck triggering the pattern plays via MIDI
    All my other midi triggers are working great ie Rec, Dup, Clear & Launch
    I have setup the CC, Switch Chanel, CC# and offset but they dont change
    It works but only changes to 1 pattern when set in the AUM parameters
    Is there something I am overlooking?

    If I understand what you're saying correctly ... You don't want to send the CC values to the AUM parameter, but to Atom 2 itself.

    I got it working with aum parameters but it took some Lemur trickery as it works with knobs and I’m using pads to change patterns
    I couldn’t get the patterns to change via atom itself which weird because it worked before

  • @wexy said:

    @wim said:

    @wexy said:
    I'm not having any luck triggering the pattern plays via MIDI
    All my other midi triggers are working great ie Rec, Dup, Clear & Launch
    I have setup the CC, Switch Chanel, CC# and offset but they dont change
    It works but only changes to 1 pattern when set in the AUM parameters
    Is there something I am overlooking?

    If I understand what you're saying correctly ... You don't want to send the CC values to the AUM parameter, but to Atom 2 itself.

    I got it working with aum parameters but it took some Lemur trickery as it works with knobs and I’m using pads to change patterns
    I couldn’t get the patterns to change via atom itself which weird because it worked before

    Maybe you could post screenshots showing the setup and options you are using? You should be able to do it directly without using the AUM automation parameters. It works fine for me. Make sure that you have set Atom to be listening to channel you are sending on.

    And double-check that you are sending the CC number and value you expect. Are you sending CC value (CCV) to select a pattern number or sending a value on the CC you want to use (CC)?

  • edited May 2021

    Make sure that you have set Atom to be listening to channel you are sending on.

    That would be it. Thanks

  • @blueveek any chance of a parameter to set the current pattern?
    I’d like to switch patterns and record directly on that pattern

  • Setup a Lemur iPad controller for Atom I use this and the LP it's a great combo

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  • Last version of Atom Piano Roll 2 supports MPE. That's great.
    But I don't get it - does it record CC and PitchBend, or these features still missing?
    Is it possible to record GeoShred SWAM midi with all details?

  • @SashaPonkratov said:
    Last version of Atom Piano Roll 2 supports MPE. That's great.
    But I don't get it - does it record CC and PitchBend, or these features still missing?
    Is it possible to record GeoShred SWAM midi with all details?

    Hi @SashaPonkratov

    Atom is able to record ALL incoming automation, CC and MPE data - it's just that some of that data is not yet visible for editing. This is what we refer to as 'black box recording'.

    ...and yes, it is now possible to record GeoShred SWAM midi with all the details :)

  • Just a couple of usage questions, …

    How do you manage recording vs playing? When recording I need midi pass-thru enabled to hear what I’m playing (or I could route input to both atom and the synth). When playing, and being sequenced by a controlling atom to change patterns, pass-thru must be off. Are you constantly toggling pass-thru? Is a routing tree better than a chain even though you have to remember to disconnect the source (say riffer) from the synth after recording so it’s not really easier.

    Also, does atom ignore pattern-change events during record or do you just have to ensure you don’t send a pattern-changing note or cc while recording?

    Do you find yourself recording with loop mode off and then forgetting to toggle it back on for playback?

    I really like what atom does but I feel like I’m not finding the right way to use it to get the right flow.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2021

    @xor said:
    Just a couple of usage questions, …

    How do you manage recording vs playing? When recording I need midi pass-thru enabled to hear what I’m playing (or I could route input to both atom and the synth). When playing, and being sequenced by a controlling atom to change patterns, pass-thru must be off. Are you constantly toggling pass-thru? Is a routing tree better than a chain even though you have to remember to disconnect the source (say riffer) from the synth after recording so it’s not really easier.

    You don't need to set pass-thru off. Whatever messages are set to change patterns will automatically not be passed through.

    Also, does atom ignore pattern-change events during record or do you just have to ensure you don’t send a pattern-changing note or cc while recording?

    Good question. You can try it as easily as anyone else can.

    Do you find yourself recording with loop mode off and then forgetting to toggle it back on for playback?

    I just leave loop mode on while recording. I've never seen any reason not to.

  • @wexy said:
    Setup a Lemur iPad controller for Atom I use this and the LP it's a great combo

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    That's nice. Would you be willing to share it so other people could use it?

  • edited May 2021

    @xor said:
    Just a couple of usage questions, …

    How do you manage recording vs playing? When recording I need midi pass-thru enabled to hear what I’m playing (or I could route input to both atom and the synth). When playing, and being sequenced by a controlling atom to change patterns, pass-thru must be off. Are you constantly toggling pass-thru? Is a routing tree better than a chain even though you have to remember to disconnect the source (say riffer) from the synth after recording so it’s not really easier.

    Also, does atom ignore pattern-change events during record or do you just have to ensure you don’t send a pattern-changing note or cc while recording?

    Do you find yourself recording with loop mode off and then forgetting to toggle it back on for playback?

    I really like what atom does but I feel like I’m not finding the right way to use it to get the right flow.

    There was a bit of discussion on this back here: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/950066#Comment_950066

    There was a suggestion of having recording channels vs launching channels which would be useful. Another alternative is to use program control messages for the switching.

    At the moment I use a separate Atom which is routed to the same instrument just for recording into and then use layers to transfer the new pattern to the one being controlled.

  • Thanks, and a new problem. Is it possible to use notes to control both clip and pattern? I’m getting unexpected results. In the video below I would expect a repeating pattern of 1 bar of c2, 1 bar rest, 1 bar C6, 1 bar rest but instead I get a pattern of 1 bar c2, 1 bar rest. The second example should be a repeating pattern of 2 bars c2, 2 bars C6 but instead it is 2bars of c2 and then C6 for the rest of the time.

    Aum project: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxhjgj02eufpk3g/Atom sequencing question.aumproj?dl=0

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