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I think it is less a matter of when you started (I started doing iOS music in 2018) as what apps you love. I have plenty of AU that I love and there are some IAA apps that were popular (and now) that are just amazing instruments that I gel with and for which I don't PERSONALLY find a satisfying replacement.
Different people have different preferences -- which is cool. It just bugs me when people act is if people that don't have their preference are somehow objectively wrong -- or that the apps they don't like should be shunned. I rarely see people with IAA faves saying "don't use AU" but there plenty of people that are AUv3 purists (again: totally fine if that is their preference) who feel the need to be dismissive of IAA apps and discourage people from using them.
Sometimes it all comes down to ECOOL
Oscar, if you don’t mind, how are you loading both Koala and Samplr on one screen? AudioBus?
For sure I don't know peoples' motivations here, but I kinda suspect that this is just old versus new perspective. It is for me too, but for me the new is the touch interface and what it brings and the old is the plugin.
Is that a key tester?
Samplr full screen and Koala in slide over mode. That’s a level of multi app fluidity that AU is years away from!
I also have dedicated buttons to switch between Koala and Samplr on a hardware controller (facilitated by audiobus).
That’s sweet, thanks!
I want to see a video!. Do you move samples back and forth between the 2?. Did i say I want a video?.
Just to understand: does the fullscreen argument have to do with eliminating all distractions? I've found that maximizing a plugin in AUM/CB3/Drambo is "fullscreen enough" for me, but maybe my combination of device size (12.9") and expectations could make me not see a problem others have.
For apps that make full use of the screen real estate on 9.7” iPads, the seemingly small amount of space they give up as “full-screen” can be (negatively impactful). On devices with larger screens this might not be an issue.
It’s just a usb 2 key keyboard. Was about 20$ on Amazon. Something small so you could command+tab cycle through open apps on the iPads without home buttons without having to fuss with the touchscreen. Worked great for cycling through open IAAs in a live situation.
Just brings up the app switcher for open apps without having to have a full keyboard attached.
Interesting that someone else has observed this too!
For me it’s more about app design and flow. AU apps tend to be embedded in a GUI diving/switching workflow while full screen apps are generally designed to minimise the need for flicking between different apps — you work in one specific flow per app and changes in flow fit well conceptually with moving to a different app (which these days is a one button push experience).
I do use lots of AU apps too, but they’re usually set up in advance and/or operated by MIDI, rarely in the foreground.
Well .. I am very encouragable!
I have them set up in a sort of loop, where audio from mics/line inputs and semi-modular synths hits Koala. Koala can export audio into Samplr very quickly and Samplrs audio stream is coming back into Koala by IAA on the same bus as the external inputs.
I see that SNOW FOX!
Cool! Does Koala let you set backgrounds? I never even checked...
That is pretty cool ! 😎👍
@BCKeys good feedback. I think the AU format still needs to improve so I hope Apple have eyes and ears into our discussions.
I guess it is a shame that it isn’t easier for programmers to create iOS apps that are both both AUv3 and IAA because the developers who now go the IAA route are missing out on sales, I expect. There’s a number of apps that I and others (on Discord and Facebook) just never purchased simply because they are IAA. Xequence2 is a good example. The response is often that these apps look awesome but they are not AU so they are going to be difficult to fit into a DAW workflow. Atom Piano Roll 2 is similar to Xequence2 in many ways (yes, very different in others) but it is AUv3. You can see the deserved buzz that having a top quality piano roll in AU format has generated. I don’t mean to pick on Xequence2 because I read the same comments about Patterning2, the Lumbeat apps, Sampletank, etc.
There’s actually very few IAA only apps getting released these days. I can only think of Koala, Flip Sampler and Jamm Pro recently and I guess they fit Oscar’s performance app criteria so maybe make sense? I think lobbying for improvements to the AU format is the way to go.
Yes, it allows you to do it (settings > extras)
@OscarSouth @espiegel123 thanks, that does put things in perspective for me
Ah, interesting, thanks for the info. I'm kinda into mechanical keyboards and it looked like a mini key switch tester.
AuV3 for me = multiple instances
As a developer that does AU's, my mentality is what you describe in your last sentence there. An AU's GUI is for setup and then stays out of the way. Part of this is because I don't get to dictate where my AU even sits on the user's screen or how big it is. There are tons of design constraints that a well behaved AU has that a full app does not. Just having the knowledge that you can do whatever you want with the UI and the user interaction frees creativity and thinking about what is possible with user interaction.
Multi-document apps would now allow that with stand alone apps too. It could be hard to arrange and control, but possible.
+1,000,000
Yeah!!
And yeah, you can set your own background and even make it scroll while the sync clock is running. Makes it feel very personal! Great touch.
Very interesting, enriching and insightful to read. Thanks for sharing from your perspective!
I really feel like we've gotten to the core of the subject matter here!