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Helium AUv3 MIDI Sequencer by 4Pockets - Released

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  • @Pxlhg said:
    Pretty big update today and that includes this: "Added Tone Packet support" // "Added a new chord lane which can send midi chords and tone packets on a per track basis"

    Euclidian also gets an "Tone Packet" update ..

    Now, what the hell is "Tone Packet"? 😂😂

    from the beat community update post for strummer. Im sure paul added it to the manuals.

    Added Tone Packets support which detects chords from incoming CHORD/CLUSTERS which are translated into guitar chords. Added better detection for many more chord types. NOTE: Tone Packets us a new SysEx protocol designed by Greg Riker and David Collett to help transmit chords/note clusters and scales between apps.

  • From Paul just now

  • edited May 28

    @audiblevideo said:

    @Pxlhg said:
    Pretty big update today and that includes this: "Added Tone Packet support" // "Added a new chord lane which can send midi chords and tone packets on a per track basis"

    Euclidian also gets an "Tone Packet" update ..

    Now, what the hell is "Tone Packet"? 😂😂

    from the beat community update post for strummer. Im sure paul added it to the manuals.

    Added Tone Packets support which detects chords from incoming CHORD/CLUSTERS which are translated into guitar chords. Added better detection for many more chord types. NOTE: Tone Packets us a new SysEx protocol designed by Greg Riker and David Collett to help transmit chords/note clusters and scales between apps.

    @audiblevideo said:
    From Paul just now

    Video

    Double thanks!

    Edit: Awesome update!

  • Can Chord Track detect chords from midi controller like strummer? Or the option to select a chord or cluster on grid and see chord name reflected in chord track? It’d be swell to step input chord changes. Or upon editing know the chords I played. (Many times I forgot) I feel like I’m missing this option in menus.
    Or maybe a way to use both strummer and helium to achieve this?

  • I just started a new thread about Tone Packets, including a document describing the protocol.

  • Wow this is exciting. The new update is packed with good stuff.

    Just a few observations - any corrections/comments are welcome. Most of this information is available in the excellent help menu and some in the new video, but in case you don't have the app this info could be helpful:

    • Chords can play via multiple MIDI tracks if enabled. Although only one chord track is available and can play the programmed chords, the chords can be output on more than one track. For example, Track 1 could send the chords on MIDI Ch1 Port/Bus 1 and Track 2 can send the chords out on Ch2 Port/Bus 2. There are some per track controls for chord playback.
    • Chord mode and song mode are mutually exclusive.
    • Chords will play along with MIDI notes in the tracks at the same time.
    • The CC controller list defaults to showing all CC controls. You can change it to only show the ones that you select, but you must first long press on the box with the check mark on the far left in the pop-up dialog. Another long press will re-enable all CC settings again.
    • If you're not getting chord output after adding chords, check the settings in the main menu. It's easily overlooked. The built-in help explains it in the Chord Mode section and the new video shows the required settings here:

    So far, these updates and enhancements look really useful and easy to use.

  • wimwim
    edited May 28

    @Jökulgil said:

    Edit: Also, I could find Melodic and Harmonic Minor but not the Natural Minor?

    Aeolian mode is equivalent to natural minor.

  • How many hour a day is Paul Barnard working??

    He's got an amazing arsenal of iOS-apps that's awesome, and, very well priced!

    I really recommend the apps from 4Pockets.

  • Awesome update!! Almost perfect ala FL Studio for desktop.

    There only a couple more features to make it basically identical as far as midi editing or “typing in notes”:

    1. Ability to use the same note length as previous, as an option or not like Drambo and Logic, respectively.
    2. Scissor tool to quickly cut midi notes and get 2 seperate notes. Itd be cool to have it cut as far down as needed accros any angle. Sort of like how the “Line” tool is under Controllers. This is implemented well in FL Desktop.

    Now how can i send this to Paul.

  • @pogi6od said:
    Now how can i send this to Paul.

    support @ 4pockets.com

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @EdZAB said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    Haven’t seen anything in this thread about my question:

    Does Helium MIDI Sequencer have “Catch Playhead” ?

    It does have an "Auto-scroll" feature that will move the grid view to follow the playhead if it reaches the end of the screen, and it will jump to the position of the playhead in the grid. Here's an example: Load it in AUM, and set host sync on in Helium, and "Auto-scroll" on (I believe it is on by default. Hit play on the transport and the grid will move to keep the playhead in view. Fast forward or reverse in AUM by using the transport control and the grid will move to keep the playhead in view. Stop the transport in AUM, manually scroll away from the playhead in helium, and then hit play in the AUM transport - it will jump to the playhead position, which is in sync with AUM. Does that help?

    Yeah, thanks!!!

    I missed that settings option…
    The way Helium using “catch playhead” is OK, but, I rather prefer the way Logic Pro acts - there is the playhead still in the middle and the pianoroll moves…
    But, as I said, Heliums way is OK!

    Ooh yea in regards to this feature, the most useful implementation( to me ) is to have the playhead cross the screen without keeping everything else in motion, then at the end, jump to the next page or next part of the sequence (kind of like page 2), while having everything still as the playhead is crossing.

    This way, its convenient to make quick edits before it moves on to the next page and still be attached to the playhead as it keeps progressing, page after page.

    Sorry if that doesn’t make sense

  • @wim said:

    @pogi6od said:
    Now how can i send this to Paul.

    support @ 4pockets.com

    Ah, great. Thanks very much

  • Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    What is your favorite drum Auv3 to use along with helium?

    Does that workflow work well for you to build drum tracks !

  • How can you insert program change in the timeline?

  • @robklotzby said:
    How can you insert program change in the timeline?

    There's a controller lane at the bottom of the screen where values can be drawn in for Program Change and other entities like CC, Aftertouch, etc. It shows up as a graph of lines, but it pops up a box showing the numerical value when tapping on the screen and holding at any point.

  • @EdZAB said:

    @robklotzby said:
    How can you insert program change in the timeline?

    There's a controller lane at the bottom of the screen where values can be drawn in for Program Change and other entities like CC, Aftertouch, etc. It shows up as a graph of lines, but it pops up a box showing the numerical value when tapping on the screen and holding at any point.

    Many thanks!

  • edited July 29

    I'll give a stab at the first question.

    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    • You mentioned that you already have some drum goove MIDI files. You can preview them by playing them through a drum instrument, but I don't see the connection with Helium here, because you can import the MIDI directly into Cubasis, or you could preview them in a MIDI player, or even by loading them into GarageBand, so if you could clarify that would help.
  • @EdZAB said:
    I'll give a stab at the first question.

    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    • You mentioned that you already have some drum goove MIDI files. You can preview them by playing them through a drum instrument, but I don't see the connection with Helium here, because you can import the MIDI directly into Cubasis, or you could preview them in a MIDI player, or even by loading them into GarageBand, so if you could clarify that would help.

    I have thousands of midi grooves beat. I want to preview them to find the best fitting one before dragging them in a time linento build my song. From what I read Helium let's you preview midi clips before importing them.

    If you know any software that can do that I would be happy to know.

  • @ecou said:
    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    What is your favorite drum Auv3 to use along with helium?

    Does that workflow work well for you to build drum tracks !

    Hi Ecou ,

    This is exactly how I use helium with my midi collections. In AUM for example, I’ll run 4 instances of helium for melody, bass, drums and rhythm into LK and out from LK to my instruments/drums.

    Using the helium browser allows me to “mix” midi loops ‘live’ to create fills and breaks from other midi files, all recorded into LK. I then have a midiFX lane in AUM for pre-post midi effects to play with the LK recording. I end up using LK like midi tape recorder.

    This whole setup gives me more of a live feel, I’ve added some screenshots if it helps.

  • @ecou said:

    @EdZAB said:
    I'll give a stab at the first question.

    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    • You mentioned that you already have some drum goove MIDI files. You can preview them by playing them through a drum instrument, but I don't see the connection with Helium here, because you can import the MIDI directly into Cubasis, or you could preview them in a MIDI player, or even by loading them into GarageBand, so if you could clarify that would help.

    I have thousands of midi grooves beat. I want to preview them to find the best fitting one before dragging them in a time linento build my song. From what I read Helium let's you preview midi clips before importing them.

    If you know any software that can do that I would be happy to know.

    Gotcha, @ecou. @creativmotion has a great answer, and it's a brilliant setup.

    You are correct, and I'm sure @creativmotion uses the feature too - you can just click and hold any of the clips in the list and it will preview them by playing them through the selected Track/Channel (at the tempo of the host if loaded as an AUv3 like above). Note that this will only work for single channel MIDI files, and you must import them into the Helium Clips section before you can preview them, however you can import an entire folder and it will import everything within the folder and below.

  • @EdZAB said:

    @ecou said:

    @EdZAB said:
    I'll give a stab at the first question.

    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    • You mentioned that you already have some drum goove MIDI files. You can preview them by playing them through a drum instrument, but I don't see the connection with Helium here, because you can import the MIDI directly into Cubasis, or you could preview them in a MIDI player, or even by loading them into GarageBand, so if you could clarify that would help.

    I have thousands of midi grooves beat. I want to preview them to find the best fitting one before dragging them in a time linento build my song. From what I read Helium let's you preview midi clips before importing them.

    If you know any software that can do that I would be happy to know.

    Gotcha, @ecou. @creativmotion has a great answer, and it's a brilliant setup.

    You are correct, and I'm sure @creativmotion uses the feature too - you can just click and hold any of the clips in the list and it will preview them by playing them through the selected Track/Channel (at the tempo of the host if loaded as an AUv3 like above). Note that this will only work for single channel MIDI files, and you must import them into the Helium Clips section before you can preview them, however you can import an entire folder and it will import everything within the folder and below.

    Thank you guys. It's exactly the answer I needed.

  • edited July 30

    Thanks Edzab, yes you can tap on the midi files in time with other loops irrespective of the aum playhead running or not. Use the metronome or a kick drum to sync with AUM. If you happen to change tempo, press sync twice to have it match tempo with AUM. Also edzab is correct, There is no support for multi channel midi files using this method.

  • It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

  • edited August 1

    @robklotzby said:
    It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

    If you want that to happen, sending feedback to the developer directly gives you a way better chance of that happening.

    I do not think the developer visit this forum.

  • @ecou said:

    @robklotzby said:
    It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

    If you want that to happen, sending feedback to the developer directly gives you a way better chance of that happening.

    I do not think the developer visit this forum.

    +1 on that recommendation.

    I do have a question regarding your use case on this, though. Using PC and Bank to select a preset generally requires that you know the Bank number and Program number that you want to select, at least in my limited experience. When I use that type of feature, I either need to know the specific PC and Bank numbers to select the preset that I want, or I can use something that makes choices within a range of values, perhaps a random choice. So, I am curious - do you have a particular workflow or technique that you employ to select presets that way with other apps?

  • edited August 1

    @EdZAB said:

    @ecou said:

    @robklotzby said:
    It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

    If you want that to happen, sending feedback to the developer directly gives you a way better chance of that happening.

    I do not think the developer visit this forum.

    +1 on that recommendation.

    I do have a question regarding your use case on this, though. Using PC and Bank to select a preset generally requires that you know the Bank number and Program number that you want to select, at least in my limited experience. When I use that type of feature, I either need to know the specific PC and Bank numbers to select the preset that I want, or I can use something that makes choices within a range of values, perhaps a random choice. So, I am curious - do you have a particular workflow or technique that you employ to select presets that way with other apps?

    Well, some apps automatically recognize program and bank change commands written in the Helium controller lane, such as xinematrix or model d. But 4pockets apps unfortunately not - unless I missed a setting somewhere. Would interested if you have a midi app that one can use in between to trigger program change in apps.

  • edited August 2

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  • edited August 1

    @robklotzby said:

    @EdZAB said:

    @ecou said:

    @robklotzby said:
    It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

    If you want that to happen, sending feedback to the developer directly gives you a way better chance of that happening.

    I do not think the developer visit this forum.

    +1 on that recommendation.

    I do have a question regarding your use case on this, though. Using PC and Bank to select a preset generally requires that you know the Bank number and Program number that you want to select, at least in my limited experience. When I use that type of feature, I either need to know the specific PC and Bank numbers to select the preset that I want, or I can use something that makes choices within a range of values, perhaps a random choice. So, I am curious - do you have a particular workflow or technique that you employ to select presets that way with other apps?

    Well, some apps automatically recognize program and bank change commands written in the Helium controller lane, such as xinematrix or model d. But 4pockets apps unfortunately not - unless I missed a setting somewhere. Would interested if you have a midi app that one can use in between to trigger program change in apps.

    Oh ok. I did check using AUM and there's no AU parameter for program and bank change on those apps (the 4Pocket ones). However, while poking around, I see that AUM has an option for Preset Load, and it will query the list of presets for Copperhead (for example), and you can then choose from the list and assign PC value (or other MIDI control). I tested it out using Surface Builder and it seems to work well. You would have to manually build a list of presets and assign each to a PC of course. Just for fun, I added a couple presets to the Preset Load in AUM, then set up a loop in Helium and added a PC entry to the controller lane, and then started it, and then did a MIDI learn in AUM and it picked it up. I have no idea if this is in any way helpful to your specific situation, but I learned a few things after pondering your question!

    Edit: Clarified wording

  • @EdZAB said:

    @robklotzby said:

    @EdZAB said:

    @ecou said:

    @robklotzby said:
    It would be great if Paul’s other apps like Copperhead, Chameleon, String Labs, etc. Would react to program and bank change. Currently they dońt or maybe I missed something

    If you want that to happen, sending feedback to the developer directly gives you a way better chance of that happening.

    I do not think the developer visit this forum.

    +1 on that recommendation.

    I do have a question regarding your use case on this, though. Using PC and Bank to select a preset generally requires that you know the Bank number and Program number that you want to select, at least in my limited experience. When I use that type of feature, I either need to know the specific PC and Bank numbers to select the preset that I want, or I can use something that makes choices within a range of values, perhaps a random choice. So, I am curious - do you have a particular workflow or technique that you employ to select presets that way with other apps?

    Well, some apps automatically recognize program and bank change commands written in the Helium controller lane, such as xinematrix or model d. But 4pockets apps unfortunately not - unless I missed a setting somewhere. Would interested if you have a midi app that one can use in between to trigger program change in apps.

    Oh ok. I did check using AUM and there's no AU parameter for program and bank change on those apps (the 4Pocket ones). However, while poking around, I see that AUM has an option for Preset Load, and it will query the list of presets for Copperhead (for example), and you can then choose from the list and assign PC value (or other MIDI control). I tested it out using Surface Builder and it seems to work well. You would have to manually build a list of presets and assign each to a PC of course. Just for fun, I added a couple presets to the Preset Load in AUM, then set up a loop in Helium and added a PC entry to the controller lane, and then started it, and then did a MIDI learn in AUM and it picked it up. I have no idea if this is in any way helpful to your specific situation, but I learned a few things after pondering your question!

    Edit: Clarified wording

    Wow thanks for your input. Saved my weekend :-)

  • @creativmotion said:

    @ecou said:
    Question before buying Helium. From what I read, I should be able to preview my drum groove midi files. Can I preview the beat in time with my music playing in Cubasis ?

    What is your favorite drum Auv3 to use along with helium?

    Does that workflow work well for you to build drum tracks !

    Hi Ecou ,

    This is exactly how I use helium with my midi collections. In AUM for example, I’ll run 4 instances of helium for melody, bass, drums and rhythm into LK and out from LK to my instruments/drums.

    Using the helium browser allows me to “mix” midi loops ‘live’ to create fills and breaks from other midi files, all recorded into LK. I then have a midiFX lane in AUM for pre-post midi effects to play with the LK recording. I end up using LK like midi tape recorder.

    This whole setup gives me more of a live feel, I’ve added some screenshots if it helps.

    I tried to get this running in Cubasis and Audiobus with no luck. When I click on a clip in the media bay it does not play in time with my song. If I click on sync, no midi is sent to Beathawk from Helium.

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