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And now this guy wants to produce IDM!

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  • edited June 2021

    That would be a cool sequencer ( if its a sequencer ) but live also. Via midi. Ideally an upgrade to what I use. Drambo euclidean. Warping the time so it would then have to catch up etc. What is the bend time module?

  • edited June 2021

    Such good sequencing anyway. Probably the best iv heard. Would be good if it were something you could incorperate with euclidean so it worked good with euclidean drums. Vatexh live. You are gonna do the twist on the dancefloor.

  • edited June 2021

    Track lengths. Drambo but...my euclidean setup :(

  • To produce this stuff, you’ll need a mono synth, a poly synth (not multi-timbral), a sampler with very very little memory and an Atari (or an amiga).

  • Rubber Johnny was always my fav…

  • Yesterday, i saw a guy at a busstation. He was freaking me out, because he looked exactly like the morphed Richard D. James, with the sleek hair, ungrown beard and strange smile. I turned around about 3 times when i passed him.

  • edited June 2021

    IDM doesn’t mean anything. It’s a bunch of artists at a certain point in history that were artificially lumped together under a dumb term. It’s just experimental electronic music. My advice would be to stop thinking about genres and just make music you like.

    For Windowlicker type sounds look into FFT/spectral processing.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic You should make a poll to let us decide the next style of music you are going to produce 😂😂

  • @ecou said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic You should make a poll to let us decide the next style of music you are going to produce 😂😂

    “First wave” ska. Easy answer.

  • @Dalle said:
    IDM doesn’t mean anything. It’s a bunch of artists at a certain point in history that were artificially lumped together under a dumb term. It’s just experimental electronic music. My advice would be to stop thinking about genres and just make music you like.

    For Windowlicker type sounds look into FFT/spectral processing.

    I used to call it Warp music.

  • edited June 2021

    @sigma79 said:
    How do you think the twisting metal sound were made? Modular or a certain sequencer with midi control of sound?

    What about at 22.00 onwards. Is the sequencing going fast then slow? Think you could make with euclidean via controller manually ( if you were to program/daw style ) Or would there be a sequencer which is smart like other sequencers. Which could go fast and slow in a musical way?

    Lots of highly-modulated synths (FM) used in some Braindance music. AFX, Autechre, Venetian Snares...

    Re: 'Bucephalus Bouncing Ball' aka 'Marble Physics':

    First try modulating an LFO with another LFO. Or a step sequencer's clock input with another modulator. Or fake-it with a sequencer/tracker that can do 64ths, and modulate stuff like pitch and pan, per-step. Or try the Sugar Bytes effects like Turnado, Effectrix, and Looperator, or buffer effects like Replicant or Dedalus.

    There's lots of tools in Cycling '74 Max, Max for Ableton Live, Pure Data, Reaktor for these effects.

    Or get an Elektron.

    Here's how to do it on a Make Noise Maths (dual slew generator):

    Bouncing Ball, 2013 edition thanx to Pete Speer:
    Set CH. 1 Rise full CCW, Fall to 3:00, response to Linear.
    Set CH. 4 Rise full counter clockwise, Fall to 11:00, response to Linear.
    Patch CH. 1 EOR to CH. 4 Cycle Input, and Ch. 1 variable Output to Ch.4 Fall Input.
    Patch CH. 4 Output to VCA or LPG control Input.
    Patch a Gate or Trigger source, such as the touch gate from Pressure Points, to CH. 1 Trigger Input for manual start of "bounces."
    Adjust Channel 4 Rise and Fall for variations.

    Anyone try this in miRack or Drambo?

  • So many great responses and videos. I think I'm starting to understand a bit more now.

    @Dalle said:
    IDM doesn’t mean anything. It’s a bunch of artists at a certain point in history that were artificially lumped together under a dumb term. It’s just experimental electronic music. My advice would be to stop thinking about genres and just make music you like.

    For Windowlicker type sounds look into FFT/spectral processing.

    Pretty much the most straightforward answer is that it's experimental electronic music. Fuckin hell, is it really that simple? 😂 Basically Stockhausen with a beat?

    Nice tip on the Windowlicker sounds btw. Cheers mate! :)

  • edited June 2021

    @jwmmakerofmusic Are you working on your first IDM track?
    I enjoyed your first minimal techno track, so maybe an easy segue to IDM/Braindance would be Mdrmx by Brothomstates or Fear of Corners by Dntel.

    Modulate the hell out of a few elements, like hats, snares/claps, metallic percussion, lead synths.
    Polymetric rhythms are key. Gadget's good for this. So is Effectrix (odd lengths: 31 steps instead of 32).
    Stutter FX on hats, snares, percussion using Looperator, Effectrix, Replicant...
    Slicing using Egoist or sEGments...odd lengths again.
    Small chunks in granular synth like Quanta; lots of modulation.
    Jazzy basslines - Rozeta Bassline with its 'realtime mutation probability' at 20% is good.
    Randomizers are good.


  • @ocelot said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic Are you working on your first IDM track?

    A few failed starts. I deleted them, because I'm like "This sucks. Too straightforward! Not trippy enough. Fuck is wrong with you Jim?" 😂 With Minimal Techno, it's easy to get into a steady flow of repetition and a hypnotic trance when producing it. It's a total vibe. I'm just not gettin my musical rocks off to my first attempts at IDM.

    I enjoyed your first minimal techno track, so maybe an easy segue to IDM/Braindance would be Mdrmx by Brothomstates or Fear of Corners by Dntel.

    Modulate the hell out of a few elements, like hats, snares/claps, metallic percussion, lead synths.
    Polymetric rhythms are key. Gadget's good for this. So is Effectrix (odd lengths: 31 steps instead of 32).
    Stutter FX on hats, snares, percussion using Looperator, Effectrix, Replicant...
    Slicing using Egoist or sEGments...odd lengths again.
    Small chunks in granular synth like Quanta; lots of modulation.
    Jazzy basslines - Rozeta Bassline with its 'realtime mutation probability' at 20% is good.
    Randomizers are good.


    Definitely checking out those vids. Thank you for the advice mate. :)

  • i second the Dntel reference. solid album.. for something more modern,, check out Minor Science, really great stuff.

    also, burial -

    for something modern and more aggressive, try g Jones. (this guys productions are fucking MIND BLOWING).

    Fractal Bits is a great iOS drum machine for these kind of glitch sounds. As others have mentioned use the sugar bytes stuff., lots of heavily modulated synths. Found sound, dreamy big reverbed pads. Minimal techno / ambient techno and "IDM" go hand and hand.

  • edited June 2021

    @ocelot said:

    @sigma79 said:
    How do you think the twisting metal sound were made? Modular or a certain sequencer with midi control of sound?

    What about at 22.00 onwards. Is the sequencing going fast then slow? Think you could make with euclidean via controller manually ( if you were to program/daw style ) Or would there be a sequencer which is smart like other sequencers. Which could go fast and slow in a musical way?

    Lots of highly-modulated synths (FM) used in some Braindance music. AFX, Autechre, Venetian Snares...

    Re: 'Bucephalus Bouncing Ball' aka 'Marble Physics':

    First try modulating an LFO with another LFO. Or a step sequencer's clock input with another modulator. Or fake-it with a sequencer/tracker that can do 64ths, and modulate stuff like pitch and pan, per-step. Or try the Sugar Bytes effects like Turnado, Effectrix, and Looperator, or buffer effects like Replicant or Dedalus.

    There's lots of tools in Cycling '74 Max, Max for Ableton Live, Pure Data, Reaktor for these effects.

    Or get an Elektron.

    Here's how to do it on a Make Noise Maths (dual slew generator):

    Bouncing Ball, 2013 edition thanx to Pete Speer:
    Set CH. 1 Rise full CCW, Fall to 3:00, response to Linear.
    Set CH. 4 Rise full counter clockwise, Fall to 11:00, response to Linear.
    Patch CH. 1 EOR to CH. 4 Cycle Input, and Ch. 1 variable Output to Ch.4 Fall Input.
    Patch CH. 4 Output to VCA or LPG control Input.
    Patch a Gate or Trigger source, such as the touch gate from Pressure Points, to CH. 1 Trigger Input for manual start of "bounces."
    Adjust Channel 4 Rise and Fall for variations.

    Anyone try this in miRack or Drambo?

    Cool mate. Sounds like FM plus modulation etc. The Vaetxh sequencing. Do you think hes just super technical at programming. If you gave him an Ipad. He might say ok, not what Id usually use but still be similar style. Would his best bet likely Drambo + Drambo updates ( Drambo needs to provide then ) or + miRack? Not that im to bothered. Dont think Id ever really make more than noodles because of photosensitivy ( might work with shades ) Just generally discussing the technicalities for the sake of technicalities.

    Edit. The ultra glitch stuff is a lot of samples. Would have been best if Drambo were p-lockable in aum and aum had a timeline with a MTR thing. I guess a 2nd ipad is good then.

  • edited June 2021

    Think hes just mixing anyway at 22.00. Not like you need to be ultra glitch but why pull up at the traffic lights in a skoda when you got a Ferrari. Nathan Fake were good btw. Good ol Nath.

  • @shinyisshiny Never heard of G Jones. Impressive!

    @sigma79 Vaetxh/Rob Clouth, he's on the Cycling '74 forums, so possibly Max (like Autechre) or Pure Data. In an old interview he said he manually chops audio in an audio editor :wink: (old-school Venetian Snares/Aaron Funk-style, but Aaron also uses trackers, modular, Elektrons, and other stuff too).
    Here's Vaetxh's site: https://www.robclouth.com (one helluva programmer!)
    Here's an interview from 2015: http://www.conemagazine.com/interview-rob-clouth/

    Give them an iPad and I bet they'd go to town with Drambo, Mozaic, Audulus, miRack, BitWiz...
    There's lots of amazing projects on Patchstorage from the Audiobus community.

    Oh, and here's databending. Opening raw data (jpeg) in an audio editor. Encoding is important.
    Or importing video into hex editor, deleting chunks, save file extension as .wav.

    http://datamoshing.com/

  • Oh man, I'm glad to hear your taste is changing to something I regard as cool 😋. Basically look at stuff on Warp Record Label and start from there.

  • And Boards of Canada. Maybe some of Murcof's early stuff. Maybe some early Manitoba (he later became known as Caribou but changed a lot). You might like some of Floating Points output.

  • For Boards of Canada, definitely start with Music has the Right to Children, and Geogaddi.

  • Mouse on Mars
    Upsammy
    Caterina Barbieri
    Rezzett
    Call Super
    Karen Gwyer
    Lanark Artefax
    Luke Abbott

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  • @d4d0ug said:
    Not sure I’ve seen these two called out....

    Squarepusher
    Higher intelligence agency

    Not keen on the moniker IDM tho

    We can add Pete Namlook to the list too. His collaboration with HIA on S.H.A.D.O is awesome.

  • edited June 2021

    @ocelot said:
    @shinyisshiny Never heard of G Jones. Impressive!

    @sigma79 Vaetxh/Rob Clouth, he's on the Cycling '74 forums, so possibly Max (like Autechre) or Pure Data. In an old interview he said he manually chops audio in an audio editor :wink: (old-school Venetian Snares/Aaron Funk-style, but Aaron also uses trackers, modular, Elektrons, and other stuff too).
    Here's Vaetxh's site: https://www.robclouth.com (one helluva programmer!)
    Here's an interview from 2015: http://www.conemagazine.com/interview-rob-clouth/

    Give them an iPad and I bet they'd go to town with Drambo, Mozaic, Audulus, miRack, BitWiz...
    There's lots of amazing projects on Patchstorage from the Audiobus community.

    Oh, and here's databending. Opening raw data (jpeg) in an audio editor. Encoding is important.
    Or importing video into hex editor, deleting chunks, save file extension as .wav.

    http://datamoshing.com/

    Thanks ocelot. Bought an ipad mini 5 for additional synth/synths but should be beneficial for creating linear samples in a drambo timeline, with another Drambo/aum on other ipad. I bet Drambo update makes it not neccesary ( if it were ) Still unsure about drambo as a host because with all my controllers I could additionally gain 4 synths to tweak on screens but I guess aum and drambo make different kinds of music but should still be able to use both. No need for ocd.

  • Lots of people don't even like calling it IDM.
    To some music fans, IDM is an ambiguous term, as it involves some many genres, like techno, d&b, downtempo etc.
    And many musicians in this genre think that 'Intellegence' sounds too arrogant , regarding it as a publicity term.
    It's just uncoventional dance music, I suppose.
    But it evolved so fast in the 90s, sounding different each year.

    Warp label is a good start.
    Aphex Twin, Autechre and Boards of Canada are huge genre influencers.

  • Also probably worth checking out some stuff on the Ninja Tune label. I liked some of Luke Vibert's (good friend of Aphex Twin) early stuff but he's gone downhill pretty badly I'd say.

  • edited June 2021

    The arrangement of windowlicker is quite complex, and I don't know how to accomplish that.

    But I suppose it is possible to imitate early stage of IDM, like in 1993.
    Lush pad, thin FM lead, quirky drum pattern and lots, lots of modulation, like using LFO and sequences to modulate various parameters.

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