I think I FINALLY understand Drambo, lol, but I do have a couple questions.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Frank303 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@aleyas said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I agree @jwmmakerofmusic . Drambo seems to be the next logical step from all the Grooveboxes I’ve used. I’ve gained a greater appreciation of it now that I know what my other Groovebox apps can do. I’m not sure if it’s a beginner friendly Groovebox, but it is really powerful.

While Drambo can be a Groovebox, it is a lot more...and is super useful even if you never touch any groovebox like aspect. I am sure you know that but mention it for those that don't realize that Drambo is worthwhile for creating custom audio effects and midi effects and synths. I use Drambo almost entirely for those.

That too.

That's actually my main Drambo use case, haha. Making custom effect racks, and synths. I've only recently started using it for its flexi sampler, and I haven't even scratched the surface. It has pretty much expanded my use case of Garageband. Honestly, I think Drambo is the "Max for Ableton Live" equivalent on iOS...and more.

Yep, Drambo is like the iOS version of Max for Live or NI Reaktor. I've started work on my first track and wanted to share this Kickdrum I've created.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mchbxg4ahho8ygw/Kick 071121a.drmodule?dl=0

I didn't use AN Kick but rather an oscillator and impulse and some processing all done "in house". Not sure if I want to use a Euclidean sequencer for the kick or the sequencer itself just yet. 🤔 Euclidean sequencer would make programming the kick a lot easier, not gonna lie.

You can use both euclidian and the main sequencer to trigger your kick
The euclidian has a midi input, which you can use to merge midi before the euclidian seq with the euclidian sequencer itself. It's also how you can chain, eg, 5 euclidian sequencers in a row and send them to the same destination.
Also, consider routing your 'main' sequence and the euclidian sequencer to a Mutes Midi Mixer. Then you can mute and unmute either midi source on a scene per scene basis, or with p-locks.

That's a cool idea! Thanks mate!

Also, go wild, add a Rozeta xox with mutations, cv sequencers with varying velocities, perhaps a Rozeta Particles to the mix, all routed to the midi mixer with mutes..

Cool kick btw, I learned something! Personally I added hp and lp analog filters, and a shaper

Just realised I did not have Rozeta downloaded to this iPad mini. 😱 Mainly because I didn't really have need for it back in the day since I produced more Trance and EDM and such. Rozeta is a brilliant idea. I'm going to add particles to a fresh track in this first project I'm working on. I got a brilliant drone all set up, a rolling 16th note bass, and the kick.

Speaking of which, the patch is there for everyone to tweak and make their own. 😄

I also gotta get Drambo and Rozeta on my phone for on-the-go fun.

jwmmakerofmusic

HERE'S what I've been looking for!

Okay, so this makes the slew limiter make more sense now as to how I can use it to do automation. This is pretty much exactly what I've been looking for given I like to make long changes over time in my pieces.

jwmmakerofmusic

Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

espiegel123

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

jwmmakerofmusic

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

Paul16

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Normally I'm a kinesthetic learner via experimentation, but I still couldn't wrap my head around Drambo's way of doing modular synthesis. Believe it or not, but this is the video that made everything make sense to me.

same, thanks very much for that. only needed to watch the first 10 minutes & all my previous frustrated fumblings with Drambo clicked into place. finally making proper use of it since purchase when it first dropped ! 😙

jwmmakerofmusic

@Paul16 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Normally I'm a kinesthetic learner via experimentation, but I still couldn't wrap my head around Drambo's way of doing modular synthesis. Believe it or not, but this is the video that made everything make sense to me.

same, thanks very much for that. only needed to watch the first 10 minutes & all my previous frustrated fumblings with Drambo clicked into place. finally making proper use of it since purchase when it first dropped ! 😙

Same here. That video was the one that made Drambo click for me too.

xor

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

You could try using a separate gate+velocity sequencer to drive the envelope.

espiegel123

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

What do you mean that it doesn't want to connect? if you want the sequencer to trigger the envelope, you need to set the envelope so that it is triggered by the sequencer not the trigger coming from the MIDI To CV.

The patch shown below works. The colors show you what is connected to what.

You may need to make every other step 0 for things to work with the CV sequencer. For debugging, try just a four step sequence where every other step is 0. I am pretty much of a newb and there may be a way to not need the 0s between notes that someone can suggest.

Gravitas

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

What do you mean that it doesn't want to connect? if you want the sequencer to trigger the envelope, you need to set the envelope so that it is triggered by the sequencer not the trigger coming from the MIDI To CV.

The patch shown below works. The colors show you what is connected to what.

You may need to make every other step 0 for things to work with the CV sequencer. For debugging, try just a four step sequence where every other step is 0. I am pretty much of a newb and there may be a way to not need the 0s between notes that someone can suggest.

Though you can use the cv sequencer connected to the 'Env Ad',
either the 'Midi to CV' gate signal as @xor suggested or the
'gate+velocity' sequencer is much more useful in this context.

Gravitas

Here's a screenshot of a basic synth which
uses the 'gate+velocity' sequencer into
the 'Env Ad' so that the 'Env Ad' can make
the filter open up step by step with each key press.

jwmmakerofmusic

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

What do you mean that it doesn't want to connect? if you want the sequencer to trigger the envelope, you need to set the envelope so that it is triggered by the sequencer not the trigger coming from the MIDI To CV.

The patch shown below works. The colors show you what is connected to what.

You may need to make every other step 0 for things to work with the CV sequencer. For debugging, try just a four step sequence where every other step is 0. I am pretty much of a newb and there may be a way to not need the 0s between notes that someone can suggest.

Bloody hell, every other step needs to be 0. That seems to be the key to making it work. That is pretty weird.

rs2000

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

What do you mean that it doesn't want to connect? if you want the sequencer to trigger the envelope, you need to set the envelope so that it is triggered by the sequencer not the trigger coming from the MIDI To CV.

The patch shown below works. The colors show you what is connected to what.

You may need to make every other step 0 for things to work with the CV sequencer. For debugging, try just a four step sequence where every other step is 0. I am pretty much of a newb and there may be a way to not need the 0s between notes that someone can suggest.

Bloody hell, every other step needs to be 0. That seems to be the key to making it work. That is pretty weird.

Sorry but it looks like you've used the CV Sequencer instead of the Gate+Velocity Sequencer.
The GVS doesn't care if it's velocity or pitch, the bars can control pitches as well.
And every step except zero value bars generates a gate signal that can trigger the envelope and other family members.

Gravitas

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, next question. I figured out how to hook the CV sequencer up to the oscillator to adjust pitches, but how do I use it to trigger my AD envelope? I've tried, and nothing works unfortunately.

Did you try connecting the cv sequencer's gate out to the envelope's gate input?

Yes I tried that, and it doesn't want to connect.

What do you mean that it doesn't want to connect? if you want the sequencer to trigger the envelope, you need to set the envelope so that it is triggered by the sequencer not the trigger coming from the MIDI To CV.

The patch shown below works. The colors show you what is connected to what.

You may need to make every other step 0 for things to work with the CV sequencer. For debugging, try just a four step sequence where every other step is 0. I am pretty much of a newb and there may be a way to not need the 0s between notes that someone can suggest.

Bloody hell, every other step needs to be 0. That seems to be the key to making it work. That is pretty weird.

The gate input reacts to on/off hence xor's and I's recommendation
to use either a 'gate+velocity sequencer' or gate signal from 'Midi to CV'
which isn't the only way to spend an on/off signal by the way,
for instance you could use the 'Graphic Modulator' module for this purpose
and there are other ways.
The 'cv sequencer' sends signals that range from 0 to +5v,
I think those are the voltages as dRambo uses cv signals,
bearing in mind this is a modular environment.
When the 'cv sequencer' is set to nothing then it doesn't send a signal,
when it shows green it's sending a voltage so to emulate a gate signal
for the 'Env Ad', or any module that requires a gate signal to react
it needs to send nothing then a voltage.
A change in voltage from 0 to whatever value set
can be interpreted as a gate on/off signal.
If the bars are all green then it's sending a continuous
fluctuating voltage dependant upon the levels set.

It's intended behaviour.

jwmmakerofmusic

Okay, now things are starting to make more sense.

aleyas

Just to reiterate with some of the other folks have said. If you want gates + CV, use the gate+velocity sequencer. Its CV range is identical to the CV sequencer, but for every active step it can also output a gate. This allows you to ‘couple’ gate and CV events.
Also worth noting in a workflow sense, that you don’t need to use both the CV and the Gate outputs of that sequencer. But it may be more worthwhile to default to using the gate+vel sequencer for the time being, just in case you find you want the gates later, or CV for pitch.
Also remember that to tune to correct pitches to use the CV quantizer after the sequencer!

rs2000

@aleyas said:
Just to reiterate with some of the other folks have said. If you want gates + CV, use the gate+velocity sequencer. Its CV range is identical to the CV sequencer, but for every active step it can also output a gate. This allows you to ‘couple’ gate and CV events.
Also worth noting in a workflow sense, that you don’t need to use both the CV and the Gate outputs of that sequencer. But it may be more worthwhile to default to using the gate+vel sequencer for the time being, just in case you find you want the gates later, or CV for pitch.
Also remember that to tune to correct pitches to use the CV quantizer after the sequencer!

...or just use the Y grid snapping 😉

Frank303

Great question about the cv and gate sequencers, I never got my head around them by trying, and hadn't gotten to investigate more. Now I (kinda) get it! Thanks for the answers!

rs2000

@Frank303 said:
Great question about the cv and gate sequencers, I never got my head around them by trying, and hadn't gotten to investigate more. Now I (kinda) get it! Thanks for the answers!

I've just added a short note about the Gate+Velocity Sequencer to
https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=beepstreet_drambo

cozido

...

Frank303

Thanks @rs2000. It’s what I like about Drambo. There’s always more options and possibilities. Having a ton of fun making racks inspired by hardware I like. Had a go at Tanzbär, ended up learning a lot about drum synthesis. Same by reading and watching about the Vermona DRM. Now taking a shot at DFAM. Info here about the cv gate/pitch got me insights on how to get a DFAM inspired sequencer working. Using some vids, found the DFAM signal flow chart, read the manual. I never end up with an exact copy, obviously, and always get distracted by adding more as the original because that is so easy in Drambo! But you learn a lot along the way. Like the DFAM, I added a separate cv sequencer for the noise mix. Very good therapy for gassing 😝

rs2000

@Frank303 Sounds good. Enjoy! 😊

Frank303

@rs2000 said:
@Frank303 Sounds good. Enjoy! 😊

Thanks! I do enjoy. Like Loopop says (about something else but hey), it’s like Lego!

Frank303

I mean, like in this video with all this hardware, it would be stellar to have modules like that at the ready. But the thing that blows my mind, is there’s ways of achieving similar results just right in this app. You just need (know how) to find it.

rs2000

@Frank303 said:
I mean, like in this video with all this hardware, it would be stellar to have modules like that at the ready. But the thing that blows my mind, is there’s ways of achieving similar results just right in this app. You just need (know how) to find it.

True, and should you get totally stuck at some point then feel free to ask, different people have different ideas 😊

REkzkaRZ

You've used the CV Sequencer instead of the Gate+Velocity Sequencer.

What amazes me about Drambo is I have been experimenting with it for months & had some fun results, but there's always new things where I read it -- and am literally lost.

AND also super excited to investigate these two sequencers & figure out what I could be doing!

jwmmakerofmusic

@REkzkaRZ said:

You've used the CV Sequencer instead of the Gate+Velocity Sequencer.

What amazes me about Drambo is I have been experimenting with it for months & had some fun results, but there's always new things where I read it -- and am literally lost.

AND also super excited to investigate these two sequencers & figure out what I could be doing!

Thanks for the thread revival. (I actually forgot this one existed, lol.)

iansainsbury

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
F***! I finally figured out the velocity thing. Thank goodness.

Since this thread has been resurrected, can you remember how you solved this? I have a one shot snare in a one bar sequence, tried putting ghost notes in using velocity in the sequencer, and nothing happens! Probability works fine, though.

Gravitas

@iansainsbury said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
F***! I finally figured out the velocity thing. Thank goodness.

Since this thread has been resurrected, can you remember how you solved this? I have a one shot snare in a one bar sequence, tried putting ghost notes in using velocity in the sequencer, and nothing happens! Probability works fine, though.

If you’re using the “Shot sampler” then add an AMP module
afterwards and use Velocity to modulate volume.

For example

sevenape

Serious question, is there anything drambo CAN'T do? I've seen buchla synths, all sorts of crazy stuff made inside drambo, I've done some simple things and want to dive in further, but are there some limitations or missing things stopping people from doing anything they want inside it or is it pretty much comprehensive!?