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Black TIK TOK-ers go on strike and guess what happens next

Would the same result would happen if Black creators stopped creating music? Probably

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  • Wow and thank you for posting !

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    I can see what happened here...

    People mistook Tik Tok for a meritocracy.

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    What happens next?

    Nothing happens next. Nobody cares.

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    Tik Tok? Can 8-year olds go on strike nowadays?

  • @brambos said:
    Tik Tok? Can 8-year olds go on strike nowadays?

    They must have a good union 😁

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    I consider TikTok to be the most diverse (and fun) of the social media platforms. The algorithms that power its "For You" feed have changed the way people become famous online, and this in turn drives TikTok's popularity.

    Quoting from Technology Review:

    While other platforms are geared more toward highlighting content with mass appeal, TikTok's algorithms seem just as likely to pluck a new creator out of obscurity as they are to feature a known star. And they're particularly adept at feeding relevant content to niche communities of users who share a particular interest or identity. The ability of new creators to get a lot of views very quickly—and the ease with which users can discover so many kinds of content—have contributed to the app's stunning growth. Other social media companies are now scrambling to reproduce these features on their own apps.

    However, it hadn't occurred to me that there could be a (unconscious) racial-bias that amplifies popularity from minority towards majority. If so, it's good to make TikTok users aware of this. (But don't tell Lil Nas X.)

    The most serious charge is that TikTok's system that verifies and pays creators is discriminatory. If true, this needs to be fixed, and I wonder also if something similar affects music royalties distributed through SoundExchange, YouTube, etc.

  • Pathetic... kinda makes me wanna die asap

  • huh, had no idea dancing was still a thing. used to do that back in the 80s!

  • @AudioGus said:
    huh, had no idea dancing was still a thing. used to do that back in the 80s!

    I remember dancing, too!

  • People used to have lives before social media.

  • The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    Irony is part of a well balanced breakfast.

  • So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

  • @joniqwest said:
    So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    This.

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

  • I used to be hip. Now I need one.

  • @Svetlovska said:
    I used to be hip. Now I need one.

    You very much win the forum today. 👏

  • @CalCutta said:

    @joniqwest said:
    So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    This.

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

    A fully choreographed dance might have a chance at copyright, but not a simple dance move.

    https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/16/18227557/the-carlton-fortnite-dance-copyright-lawsuit-rejected

  • @CalCutta said:

    @joniqwest said:
    So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    This.

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

    I think it is related to the issue that gives rise to the problem in the first place. The same probably unconscious bias that leads to white teens' videos going viral when the videos by the black teens they are copying don't also leads people to think that it is normal and not a problem. As long as the bias doesn't effect them, they think that anyone complaining is just a whiner.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @CalCutta said:

    @joniqwest said:
    So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    This.

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

    I think it is related to the issue that gives rise to the problem in the first place. The same probably unconscious bias that leads to white teens' videos going viral when the videos by the black teens they are copying don't also leads people to think that it is normal and not a problem. As long as the bias doesn't effect them, they think that anyone complaining is just a whiner.

    A simple dance move is not copyrightable and the entire “fame-chasing industry” social media has created these days is sickening.

  • For me it’s being completely tired of having another manufactured social media drama screaming for our collective outrage every few days.

    I haven’t watched the vid because I don’t click on clickbaity titles, so I don’t know what I’m supposed to be angry about this time :|

  • @brambos said:
    For me it’s being completely tired of having another manufactured social media drama screaming for our collective outrage every few days.

    I haven’t watched the vid because I don’t click on clickbaity titles, so I don’t know what I’m supposed to be angry about this time :|

    Just always be angry, like Bruce Banner/the Hulk.

  • :lol: I go the opposite way. Be always in peace...
    Like a character in an old brazilian show that used to say (rough translation) "Man, from the bottom of my heart, you, for me, are your own problem." (it's mean to sound weird)

  • @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @CalCutta said:

    @joniqwest said:
    So the “dance moves” are original choreographed dances and unless I am mistaken all TikTok videos show at the lower right hand corner of the screen the accompanying music and it’s author/creator.

    Rreadin> @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    The kids are upset that someone is copying their derivative dance moves without attribution, while simultaneously not paying the creators of the music they’re dancing to, and often not even crediting them.

    This.

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

    I think it is related to the issue that gives rise to the problem in the first place. The same probably unconscious bias that leads to white teens' videos going viral when the videos by the black teens they are copying don't also leads people to think that it is normal and not a problem. As long as the bias doesn't effect them, they think that anyone complaining is just a whiner.

    A simple dance move is not copyrightable and the entire “fame-chasing industry” social media has created these days is sickening.

    This comment is irrelevant to what I said. I said nothing about copyright nor inferred anything about it.

  • Man says he doesn’t click on clickbaity titles in a thread with a title that ends in “and guess what happens next.” Film at 11.

  • 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @CalCutta said:

    Everyone in this thread scoffing at the effort to get proper attribution and financial compensation, I have a question. Why?

    1) I can only speak for myself. I deal with teens every day at work. After decades of this, my default affect towards teen drama is not scoffing; it is detached amusement, combined with very carefully rationed sympathy when appropriate. It’s the only way to stay sane on the job.

    2) These kids have a legal obligation to contact the copyright owners of the music they use in their videos, obtain permission to use it, and negotiate a financial agreement. Obviously they are not doing that. Thus their claims to have created an original work are tainted by their own piracy. (This is where the amusement in detached amusement comes in.)

    3) Re the dance part, I see this as analogous to pre-composing a bebop solo out of the same basic building blocks every bebop artist uses, and writing your composed solo down. You can do that, and you have a legal right to defend your copyright. But to other musicians and to audiences, no one really cares too much about how you recombined the building blocks. What we care about is the energy you put into the world as you blow. And no one can steal that from you; it’s not even possible.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I think it is related to the issue that gives rise to the problem in the first place. The same probably unconscious bias that leads to white teens' videos going viral when the videos by the black teens they are copying don't also leads people to think that it is normal and not a problem. As long as the bias doesn't effect them, they think that anyone complaining is just a whiner.

    This is well-put. I have always been baffled at the reflex of some to immediately dismiss an argument and defend a status quo rather than consider an argument.

    Also, @senhorlampada No offense but that outlook does more harm than good. If someone's work is co-opted for profit without their credit, the lack of "peace" isn't their own choosing. There are things in life that require action and even reaction. To judge someone harshly for that only creates further problems, which lead to further inappropriate judgments.

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