Black TIK TOK-ers go on strike and guess what happens next

CalCutta

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
White bias = bad.

Organised action to highlight and protest that bias = good.

Making fun of white kids trying to come up with their own routines and not copy the black kids = bad again.

Does that cover it?

No, because that leaves out the misappropriated money. And as @espiegel123 pointed out, that is a major factor here.

What money?

The money that's described in the video the OP posted. It's worth watching to get a sense of what this thread is about.

I watched the video. I’m not convinced there is any money.

The D'Amelios and Addison Rae have been paid handsomely by TikTok for their output on that platform. You being convinced is irrelevant. The money is real.

How do you know? Are you their accountant? There’s plenty of reasons for a person to inflate their worth on that platform.

There's already been empirical data posted (see the link in the post you quoted). Unless you provide some empirical data yourself, your position is not only irrelevant, it's wrong.

ExAsperis99

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
White bias = bad.

Organised action to highlight and protest that bias = good.

Making fun of white kids trying to come up with their own routines and not copy the black kids = bad again.

Does that cover it?

No, because that leaves out the misappropriated money. And as @espiegel123 pointed out, that is a major factor here.

What money?

The money that's described in the video the OP posted. It's worth watching to get a sense of what this thread is about.

I watched the video. I’m not convinced there is any money.

The D'Amelios and Addison Rae have been paid handsomely by TikTok for their output on that platform. You being convinced is irrelevant. The money is real.

How do you know? Are you their accountant? There’s plenty of reasons for a person to inflate their worth on that platform.

There's already been empirical data posted (see the link in the post you quoted). Unless you provide some empirical data yourself, your position is not only irrelevant, it's wrong.

Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

CalCutta

@ExAsperis99 said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
White bias = bad.

Organised action to highlight and protest that bias = good.

Making fun of white kids trying to come up with their own routines and not copy the black kids = bad again.

Does that cover it?

No, because that leaves out the misappropriated money. And as @espiegel123 pointed out, that is a major factor here.

What money?

The money that's described in the video the OP posted. It's worth watching to get a sense of what this thread is about.

I watched the video. I’m not convinced there is any money.

The D'Amelios and Addison Rae have been paid handsomely by TikTok for their output on that platform. You being convinced is irrelevant. The money is real.

How do you know? Are you their accountant? There’s plenty of reasons for a person to inflate their worth on that platform.

There's already been empirical data posted (see the link in the post you quoted). Unless you provide some empirical data yourself, your position is not only irrelevant, it's wrong.

Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

Good point

Dalle

The point of Tik Tok dances is to get a bunch of people to do them. People rarely get credit let alone paid for creating a meme.

NeuM

@ExAsperis99 said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
White bias = bad.

Organised action to highlight and protest that bias = good.

Making fun of white kids trying to come up with their own routines and not copy the black kids = bad again.

Does that cover it?

No, because that leaves out the misappropriated money. And as @espiegel123 pointed out, that is a major factor here.

What money?

The money that's described in the video the OP posted. It's worth watching to get a sense of what this thread is about.

I watched the video. I’m not convinced there is any money.

The D'Amelios and Addison Rae have been paid handsomely by TikTok for their output on that platform. You being convinced is irrelevant. The money is real.

How do you know? Are you their accountant? There’s plenty of reasons for a person to inflate their worth on that platform.

There's already been empirical data posted (see the link in the post you quoted). Unless you provide some empirical data yourself, your position is not only irrelevant, it's wrong.

Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

I see you still haven’t given up your own sour attitude and personal grudges.

senhorlampada

@NeuM said:
Since his post involved an attempt at mind reading by assigning internal thoughts to the actions of others, I thought his comment was largely irrelevant.

Thank you! You got it right Sorry for the confusion
Edit: Just to clarify, my comment was more a counterpoint to the being always angry Banner-style thing

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@CalCutta said:

@espiegel123 said:
I think it is related to the issue that gives rise to the problem in the first place. The same probably unconscious bias that leads to white teens' videos going viral when the videos by the black teens they are copying don't also leads people to think that it is normal and not a problem. As long as the bias doesn't effect them, they think that anyone complaining is just a whiner.

This is well-put. I have always been baffled at the reflex of some to immediately dismiss an argument and defend a status quo rather than consider an argument.

Also, @senhorlampada No offense but that outlook does more harm than good. If someone's work is co-opted for profit without their credit, the lack of "peace" isn't their own choosing. There are things in life that require action and even reaction. To judge someone harshly for that only creates further problems, which lead to further inappropriate judgments.

Since his post involved an attempt at mind reading by assigning internal thoughts to the actions of others, I thought his comment was largely irrelevant.

Mind-reading? I said nothing about mind-reading. It doesn't require mind-reading to discover patterns of bias.

If you haven't taken a look at the mathematical model that I posted demonstrating how small levels of bias can have disproportionately large impact over time, I recommend taking a look and giving thought to its implications.

Gravitas

I was going to say something.

It was highly enlightening.
It did make reference to world politics.
It had historical examples of Arts and Artists throughout the ages.
It was well balanced.
Unbiased as much as I could be and then I simply realised it was pointless.

Same time next year?
Different example same argument?

Cool.

TheOriginalPaulB

@Gravitas said:
I was going to say something.

It was highly enlightening.
It did make reference to world politics.
It had historical examples of Arts and Artists throughout the ages.
It was well balanced.
Unbiased as much as I could be and then I simply realised it was pointless.

Same time next year?
Different example same argument?

Cool.

I was about to agree with you...

Gravitas

@TheOriginalPaulB said:

@Gravitas said:
I was going to say something.

It was highly enlightening.
It did make reference to world politics.
It had historical examples of Arts and Artists throughout the ages.
It was well balanced.
Unbiased as much as I could be and then I simply realised it was pointless.

Same time next year?
Different example same argument?

Cool.

I was about to agree with you...

Lolololol

ExAsperis99

Again, do not engage. In any thread that has a racial component, certain people always feel the need distract from the core argument with absurd side debates that change randomly. (Eg., Only the accountant of the TikTok star can be trusted to prove that there is "no money" in being a social media influencer. Please.)
The point is to create negativity around the debate and therefore sink the thread.
I apologize for pointing out the piss in the punchbowl, but I'm sick of this.

Gravitas

@ExAsperis99 said:

I apologize for pointing out the piss in the punchbowl, but I'm sick of this.

You’re not the only one that’s sick of it.

It’s a pointless argument and
don’t apologise for stating the obvious.

As some more eloquent people would say,
‘Don’t sugar coat s!!!t’.

joniqwest

Yup x1000 !

@ExAsperis99 said:
Again, do not engage. In any thread that has a racial component, certain people always feel the need distract from the core argument with absurd side debates that change randomly. (Eg., Only the accountant of the TikTok star can be trusted to prove that there is "no money" in being a social media influencer. Please.)
The point is to create negativity around the debate and therefore sink the thread.
I apologize for pointing out the piss in the punchbowl, but I'm sick of this.

muzka

Sadly distracting from the core argument with obscure side debates is the blueprint for most relevant issues discussed on social media platforms and forums. Whataboutery whaffle

Simon

@ExAsperis99 said:
Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

This comment might make you the "Grandmaster Of Demonising The Person With Differing Opinion" :-)

NeuM

@Simon said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

This comment might make you the "Grandmaster Of Demonising The Person With Differing Opinion" :-)

Indeed. 👍

ExAsperis99

@Simon said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

This comment might make you the "Grandmaster Of Demonising The Person With Differing Opinion" :-)

Excellent point. "Whataboutism" is another tactic of the bad-faith argument.

NeuM

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Simon said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Don't engage with the Grandmaster of the Bad Faith Argument.

This comment might make you the "Grandmaster Of Demonising The Person With Differing Opinion" :-)

Excellent point. "Whataboutism" is another tactic of the bad-faith argument.

You do understand their post was pointing out the irony of you demonizing others by using character assassination posts, right?

Artj

@oldschoolwillie said:
Kenny G invented Jazz ....lol

Kenny G invented Jazz Reverb
There, it's all good now!