polybeat by Corne Driesprong

Poppadocrock

@ronnieb said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Hey @cp3 bought polybeat a few weeks back and love it. Congratulations On a great release. I was Hoping there were a few more options in the custom midi mapping. I would love to be able to delete or at least rename the 8 values that automation show up when you start a custom map. I couldn’t find a way to delete any of them even it was a new one I created. I made a kit of 808’s each in a different pitch and I wanted to reflect that in a custom map by naming each lane the pitch of the sample. Unfortunately I couldn’t get the custom map to rename the 8 the are preloaded.

It would also be cool if there was a way to see the actual midi mappings of the built in app presets, that way it also acts as a reference. That way You could easily see the midi mapping of each app that has a preset.

Thanks, cheers.

Just slide them to the left to delete them

Really. Lol. I tried that like 5 times and it didn’t work, obviously user error, my fault @cp3
I thought it was pretty odd that there was no way to remove them, you know… lol.

oat_phipps

Is it possible to save a custom map? I might be being stupid

ronnieb

@oat_phipps said:
Is it possible to save a custom map? I might be being stupid

Just state saving as an auv3 I think?

timelining

I just downloaded polybeat and cykle and I really took to both (almost) immediately. I was waiting for the inevitable Digistix2 and Helium price dips but this thread led me to @cp3's apps.

I've been meaning to hook my Model:Samples up to my iPad to program some drum loops and record them into Koala... but polybeat is close enough to the Elektron sequencer that I can just leave my M:S alone. This weekend I'm going to try to get polybeat and cykle going to sequence my Yamaha QY70.

gregsmith

Polybeat users, can you answer a couple of questions for me?

Can Polybeat patterns be triggered by midi? Can patterns be played by holding a note down, like Rozeta xox in midi trigger mode?

Poppadocrock

@oat_phipps said:
Is it possible to save a custom map? I might be being stupid

Huh. Yea I’m curious about this as well since I’ve only had it a few weeks. Maybe @cp3 could add a user mapping category to save a custom mapping?

Poppadocrock

@gregsmith said:
Polybeat users, can you answer a couple of questions for me?

Can Polybeat patterns be triggered by midi? Can patterns be played by holding a note down, like Rozeta xox in midi trigger mode?

I don’t think so, which is unfortunate. I am new to the app.

Maybe @cp3 could chime in. Sorry if I’m bugging you, but I love the app and I’m trying to figure it out, thanks.

I just ran a quick test to see in AUM, maybe I’m wrong but I tried AUM midi mapping (see pic) and the midi learn ‘blue thing’ where you tweak a parameter and mapping pops up. I tapped on patterns and nothing popped up. I Could be wrong but I was hoping it had this feature too…

Poppadocrock

Nevermind @gregsmith see the website. It says pitches 0-7 are able to switch snapshots.

See bottom of user guide website.

https://www.cp3.io/polybeat-user-manual.html

Poppadocrock

Here it is.

jonmoore

Both Polybeat and Cykle have become my go-to step sequencers in both instances because of the decoupling of individual instrument step length and per note randomization. It's such a powerful way of combining polyrhythmic and stochastic playback via an interface that focuses on clarity and interaction speed.

My only niggle is random misbehaviors but even those are becoming rarer.

gregsmith

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

tahiche

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

galmandsværk

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

Patterns are called snapshots in Polybeat. There is also an option to turn on “instant triggering” to mimic the pattern change of e.g. Koala.
I love both apps.
Polybeat is the more complex beast. You can program almost everything from its parameters, and the built-in templates for various drum apps make it easy to use and allows you to use all the available drum pads in that app.
Octachron only has 8 tracks and is far more simple in its design. But it’s more slick and quick to get something going, at least to me.
I use Polybeat the most now, mainly because of its added complexity (e.g. offset and other parameters) and Octachron had some problems with pattern changes that didn’t work that smoothly. But, if I want to whip up something quick, I’d pick Octachron. It’s a lovely little thing and I hope that the developers want to keep improving it.

gregsmith

@galmandsværk said:

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

Patterns are called snapshots in Polybeat. There is also an option to turn on “instant triggering” to mimic the pattern change of e.g. Koala.
I love both apps.
Polybeat is the more complex beast. You can program almost everything from its parameters, and the built-in templates for various drum apps make it easy to use and allows you to use all the available drum pads in that app.
Octachron only has 8 tracks and is far more simple in its design. But it’s more slick and quick to get something going, at least to me.
I use Polybeat the most now, mainly because of its added complexity (e.g. offset and other parameters) and Octachron had some problems with pattern changes that didn’t work that smoothly. But, if I want to whip up something quick, I’d pick Octachron. It’s a lovely little thing and I hope that the developers want to keep improving it.

‘Instant triggering’ sounds like it’d do the trick. This usually works as long as there’s an empty pattern available to switch to ‘off’.

Are they midi mapped by default, or do you have to midi learn them?

timelining

@gregsmith said:

@galmandsværk said:

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

Patterns are called snapshots in Polybeat. There is also an option to turn on “instant triggering” to mimic the pattern change of e.g. Koala.
I love both apps.
Polybeat is the more complex beast. You can program almost everything from its parameters, and the built-in templates for various drum apps make it easy to use and allows you to use all the available drum pads in that app.
Octachron only has 8 tracks and is far more simple in its design. But it’s more slick and quick to get something going, at least to me.
I use Polybeat the most now, mainly because of its added complexity (e.g. offset and other parameters) and Octachron had some problems with pattern changes that didn’t work that smoothly. But, if I want to whip up something quick, I’d pick Octachron. It’s a lovely little thing and I hope that the developers want to keep improving it.

‘Instant triggering’ sounds like it’d do the trick. This usually works as long as there’s an empty pattern available to switch to ‘off’.

Are they midi mapped by default, or do you have to midi learn them?

Snapshots in polybeat are mapped to notes 0-7 by default, and I've been triggering them using StepBud (in C Chromatic using C, Db, D and Eb to switch between four snapshots respectively, in my most recent polybeat project).

gregsmith

@timelining said:

@gregsmith said:

@galmandsværk said:

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

Patterns are called snapshots in Polybeat. There is also an option to turn on “instant triggering” to mimic the pattern change of e.g. Koala.
I love both apps.
Polybeat is the more complex beast. You can program almost everything from its parameters, and the built-in templates for various drum apps make it easy to use and allows you to use all the available drum pads in that app.
Octachron only has 8 tracks and is far more simple in its design. But it’s more slick and quick to get something going, at least to me.
I use Polybeat the most now, mainly because of its added complexity (e.g. offset and other parameters) and Octachron had some problems with pattern changes that didn’t work that smoothly. But, if I want to whip up something quick, I’d pick Octachron. It’s a lovely little thing and I hope that the developers want to keep improving it.

‘Instant triggering’ sounds like it’d do the trick. This usually works as long as there’s an empty pattern available to switch to ‘off’.

Are they midi mapped by default, or do you have to midi learn them?

Snapshots in polybeat are mapped to notes 0-7 by default, and I've been triggering them using StepBud (in C Chromatic using C, Db, D and Eb to switch between four snapshots respectively, in my most recent polybeat project).

Perfect, thanks. @cp3 just emailed me with the same thing.

Just completed the bundle as already had cykle. This should be just what I need to use in loopy pro 👍

gregsmith

Ok, works really well except I have the exact same problem as with Rozeta - it misses the first beat of the pattern on switching. I have instant switching turned on.

This is probably because the loopy follow action is triggering on the first beat and the pattern switches a millisecond later, so the first beat is missed??

I can’t think of a way round this. Atom2 doesn’t do it in hold mode but all other sequencers seem to.

FPC

@gregsmith said:
Ok, works really well except I have the exact same problem as with Rozeta - it misses the first beat of the pattern on switching. I have instant switching turned on.

This is probably because the loopy follow action is triggering on the first beat and the pattern switches a millisecond later, so the first beat is missed??

I can’t think of a way round this. Atom2 doesn’t do it in hold mode but all other sequencers seem to.

I've just bought this too Greg. In Cubasis it switches patterns instantly.

gregsmith

@FPC said:

@gregsmith said:
Ok, works really well except I have the exact same problem as with Rozeta - it misses the first beat of the pattern on switching. I have instant switching turned on.

This is probably because the loopy follow action is triggering on the first beat and the pattern switches a millisecond later, so the first beat is missed??

I can’t think of a way round this. Atom2 doesn’t do it in hold mode but all other sequencers seem to.

I've just bought this too Greg. In Cubasis it switches patterns instantly.

If you switch patterns with a note on the 1 beat, does it play the first beat of the pattern? Even if you come from an empty pattern?

I could just try this myself. Starting to think this is something to do with loopy. Any thoughts @Michael ?

Edit: Just tried in AUM with atom2 sending notes to polybeat to switch patterns. Same problem with missing the first beat.

Here’s a video that shows the problem. I’m just switching from an empty pattern to a normal patter, triggered by atom2.
You can also hear where it plays an extra beat after switching to the empty pattern.

https://youtube.com/shorts/OKkfharAPHY?feature=share

gregsmith

Am I missing a way to audition sounds?

Also with the bottom panel i can barely see anything on iPhone. Is there a way to toggle it closed?

I’ve emailed @cp3 with these requests but maybe I’ve just missed them

eross

is there a way to finger drum record into polybeat , and then tweek things in polybeat after ?

eross

also, what is a good midi app
for drumming into fac drumkit? any that are pre mapped ?

Poppadocrock

@gregsmith said:

@timelining said:

@gregsmith said:

@galmandsværk said:

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Here it is.

Thanks. This sounds like you can switch patterns using midi but doesn’t clarify if you can ‘trigger’ patterns via midi.

I’ve just emailed @cp3 for clarification.

I’d like to know this too. Switching patterns on a sequencer imo is a total must.

How does Polybeat compare to Octachron?. They seem pretty similar. Wonder if anyone that has used both can comment. Cheers!

Patterns are called snapshots in Polybeat. There is also an option to turn on “instant triggering” to mimic the pattern change of e.g. Koala.
I love both apps.
Polybeat is the more complex beast. You can program almost everything from its parameters, and the built-in templates for various drum apps make it easy to use and allows you to use all the available drum pads in that app.
Octachron only has 8 tracks and is far more simple in its design. But it’s more slick and quick to get something going, at least to me.
I use Polybeat the most now, mainly because of its added complexity (e.g. offset and other parameters) and Octachron had some problems with pattern changes that didn’t work that smoothly. But, if I want to whip up something quick, I’d pick Octachron. It’s a lovely little thing and I hope that the developers want to keep improving it.

‘Instant triggering’ sounds like it’d do the trick. This usually works as long as there’s an empty pattern available to switch to ‘off’.

Are they midi mapped by default, or do you have to midi learn them?

Snapshots in polybeat are mapped to notes 0-7 by default, and I've been triggering them using StepBud (in C Chromatic using C, Db, D and Eb to switch between four snapshots respectively, in my most recent polybeat project).

Perfect, thanks. @cp3 just emailed me with the same thing.

Just completed the bundle as already had cykle. This should be just what I need to use in loopy pro 👍

Great to know. Cheers.

Poppadocrock

@eross said:
also, what is a good midi app
for drumming into fac drumkit? any that are pre mapped ?

I like xequence pads but I don’t think it has fac drum kit in preset mappings. However it’s easy enough to make a custom user mapping in XPads and save it.

Poppadocrock

@eross said:
is there a way to finger drum record into polybeat , and then tweek things in polybeat after ?

I don’t think it records steps, but there’s a small chance I missed it.

eross

@Poppadocrock said:

@eross said:
also, what is a good midi app
for drumming into fac drumkit? any that are pre mapped ?

I like xequence pads but I don’t think it has fac drum kit in preset mappings. However it’s easy enough to make a custom user mapping in XPads and save it.

cool. i’ll try it out

timelining

@cp3 sorry to keep tagging you, but would it be possible to reposition the randomization buttons so they were nowhere near the note division button? OR is there an undo I can't find?

FPC

@eross said:
also, what is a good midi app
for drumming into fac drumkit? any that are pre mapped ?

This has midi maps already set up for FAC Drumkit as well as Ting, Ruismaker and many other apps.

oat_phipps

The midi map for Drumkit is 36-51, thats all

FPC

So only just bought this, haven’t watched any tutorials etc…

Is there really no way to preview the sound? Seems strange to me. Also I’d like to have an option to hide the accent, velocity etc panel so that I can view a full grid without scrolling.

Also midi output to a DAW timeline (Cubasis 3) seems to write random long notes… see photos, this was nothing more than a 4 on the floor kick. It plays back fine but doesn’t fill me with confidence. Any clues?