spotify = money for military technology ?

TheOriginalPaulB

@Gravitas said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
@Gravitas said:

I’ll be sorry to see you go. Your contributions have always been valuable and well considered.

I may change my mind but
I’m tired of online debates that circle
round and round and achieve nothing.
Admittedly I stepped into this one
so I blame myself.
I have both FB and this forum as my
only online social media platforms.
I almost shut down my FB account
last year and was requested to remain
by my FB family which I did.
I’ve invested a lot of time into both.
FB more so but I need to invest time
into me.
I’ve deleted or am not using any of my others.
As mentioned thirty years is a long time
championing causes.
I feel sorry for Greta Thunberg and
the rest as they’re only just starting out.
At least when I started out we didn’t have the internet and “keyboard warriors”,
sniping at everything we do because
they didn’t think to try enabling the future
for themselves.
It’s good to stand up for something but
if you don’t then don’t hinder or belittle
the ones who do.
Keyboard warrior skills
could be put to better use.
For instance if I had had hacker skills I would’ve divested the CEO of Spotify
of said €100 million and placed the euros elsewhere where it would’ve been much more appreciated and useful.
The same with many other CEO’s that
have stupidly more money than their users.
Amazon comes to mind.
But I don’t have said skills.
The “you” isn’t singular to be clear.
There are good people on the form
otherwise I wouldn’t have stayed for
so long but they really should speak up more.
The iOS platform would be
more welcoming for it.
Now back to the debate.
Where were we.
Ah yes, €100 million and penniless musicians.
Is it still the same in regards to royalties?
$0.0045 per play?

I was actually thinking about your contributions to the on-topic conversations, rather than this sort of social debate, although I do greatly respect your position and actions in these more worldly arenas. I take the view that not everyone has the same energy, resilience, ability or opportunity to fight the good fight, so it’s fine to do what little you can in whatever back alley you find yourself. None of it should be belittled as not being enough and nobody should have to provide evidence of their actions. It isn’t a pissing contest. If all you’ve ever done is vote against a self serving polititian to try to help the disadvantaged, you’re ok in my book.

Simon

@Gravitas said:
Where were we.
Ah yes, €100 million and penniless musicians.
Is it still the same in regards to royalties?
$0.0045 per play?

This might be a stupid question, but why do people sign up and put their music on Spotify if the rate is so bad?

ervin

@Simon said:

@Gravitas said:
Standing up for this stuff has taken me to four different continents and 18 different countries.

My mileage is consistent.

We don’t click.

We act.

As to provided proof for you?

I don’t need to.

My actions in the real world
speak for themselves.

I’m not asking you to know me.
I don’t care about that.

I care about my fellow musicians
who’ve been taken for a ride.

What was that about not gesturing...? You sound like Batman, Mother Teresa and Che Guevara rolled in to one person

This is to good. 🎖️

Gravitas

@TheOriginalPaulB said:

I was actually thinking about your contributions to the on-topic conversations, rather than this sort of social debate

I cannot do one and ignore the other and right now both are draining me.
I normally avoid these “debates”.
My most recent debates were defending someone’s right
to show enthusiasm when they used capital letters on the forum
and the one before that was the Tulsa Massacre “debate”.
Spotify is an important one especially as this is a music oriented forum
I do believe.

@Simon said:

@Gravitas said:
Where were we.
Ah yes, €100 million and penniless musicians.
Is it still the same in regards to royalties?
$0.0045 per play?

This might be a stupid question, but why do people sign up and put their music on Spotify if the rate is so bad?

Good question.
I have no idea now.
When Spotify first came out it was one of the first online streaming companies.
Online streaming companies demanded that
the music they streamed came from a record label.
Spotify isn’t the only online streaming company to have such bad rates.

iTunes is little better.

If you want to earn a living as a musician then play live but even then
the majority expect musicians to play for free or little money now
because of online streaming.
Why pay for a band when you can play a playlist.
For my part I have one track on Spotify and that’s by default.
It was a remix and Bob Humid released it.
I don’t earn anything from it.

Advice for Artists which comes straight
from one of the largest publishers I know.

Release your music via iTunes and Bandcamp.
iTunes because it’s like an online business card and
Bandcamp because they have a reasonable deal.

Treat Spotify the same way as in it’s an online business card.

Distribute physicals if you can because you can earn more that way.
Invest in merchandise once you have a following.

Online streaming is the biggest scam for musicians.

Still there are online musicians who are making a living from
online streaming but many are teaching now as this is the current trend.
I think Gavinski put up his projected earnings in another thread in regards to YouTube.
YouTube is little better than Spotify.
Every view gives the Artist something but be aware in regards to what the CEO’s are doing.

Gravitas

In regards to iTunes?

Have a read of this article.

The rates for Artists have improved.

https://investinganswers.com/articles/who-really-profits-your-itunes-downloads

tk32

@Gravitas

My mouse wheel* appreciates
your frequent
line breaks.

My scrolling index finger... does not.

It got me wondering
if your posts are
constructed in such
a way that they
may
one day
become stanzas in
some great epic Bildungsroman
poem, song
lyrics or rap
verses?

No
shade.
intended.
Merely playful
observation.

*substitute trackpad/spacebar/other scrolling device

Gravitas

@tk32

I hear you.
I typed that using the iPhone.
I’ll go back and reformat it as soon as I can.
Yup, it does look like a stanza for sure.
Sorry about that.
No shade felt.
Damn iPhones. Lololol

tk32

No. Don't change.

I quite like the way it forces me to read your posts like poetry.

I was just curious if it was conscious or due to the dimensions of the device used.

I now know the answer (and was secretly hoping it was the other)

Gravitas

@tk32 said:
No. Don't change.

I quite like the way it forces me to read your posts like poetry.

Thank you. 🙏🏾

I was just curious if it was conscious or due to the dimensions of the device used.

Both.

I now know the answer (and was secretly hoping it was the other)

I’ve reformatted one and there is a little bit of the writer in me that likes the poetry.
I think if one were to look at my postings they do have a shape to them.

MatthewKay

In doing some research on an entirely different matter, I stumbled across this article and thought it relevant:

https://www.permaculturenews.org/2021/07/19/how-the-narcissism-of-small-differences-is-holding-back-community-transformation-work/

Maybe @Gravitas and @Svetlovska should collaborate on a project… 🤷‍♂️

Gravitas

@Sawiton said:
In doing some research on an entirely different matter, I stumbled across this article and thought it relevant:

https://www.permaculturenews.org/2021/07/19/how-the-narcissism-of-small-differences-is-holding-back-community-transformation-work/

Very good article.

Maybe @Gravitas and @Svetlovska should collaborate on a project… 🤷‍♂️

That is an interesting suggestion.
I have no problem with it at all.

AudioGus

Enjoy the forum
while we can, for soon enough
Haiku bots will rule

Gravitas

Emotive haikus,
Will enable openness
and songwriting skills

AudioGus

I like this a lot
It brings focus to my brain
Now time for breakfast

Gravitas

Breakfast has been had
Coffee time is now over
Teatime is on route

tk32

To convey one’s mood
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic

(from the always awesome John Cooper Clarke)

gusgranite

This is what I’ve learned
I am a rotter if I
Support Spotify

JeffChasteen

@Svetlovska said:
My point of course is that we are all compromised simply by being humans in developed societies shortly before the Fall Of Man in global climate Armegeddon…

By all means, take a stand where you can, make changes in your own life, champion causes you believe in.

But so much of the Whataboutery and virtue signalling on social media strikes me as nothing more than performative bloviation, and more than a little like pointing at the old woman in the village and shouting ‘witch’ in the hope of whipping up a mob to alleviate the boredom of Sunday afternoon in a mid 17th century New England town.

I have a long, long list of more egregious sins by those in public life to address before I can get exercised about the Spotify guy’s investment strategy.

Mind you, if we were to consider the ‘royalties’ paid by his invention, he definitely moves a few places up the sh*tlist…

I love your phrase “performative bloviation”
It is perfect.
Fair warning: I will most likely be stealing it in the future😉