New Moog Animoog Z AUV3 Released!

uncledave

@tja said:

@Carnbot said:

@tja said:

Whats going wrong here compared to when I do it is you don't need to show the ios dock, just dragging zip file to the bottom right of Files when AZ is open in background works for me.

Not for me.
But it can happen that instead iZip Pro get's opened - no idea why

Right, maybe iZip pro has hijacked that process, i don't have that installed.

I uninstalled iZip Pro, reinstalled it and tested the process again - this time the Readdle Documents App would open.

No comment.

Yes. This "drag to the corner" process sounds like magic to me. It sounds like it just selects one of the apps registered for .zip files, maybe the first, last, or most recently used. It might work for a file type with a unique association, but otherwise it's just random.

oddSTAR

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oddSTAR

I have a problem with the Ableton Link implementation in Animoog Z as selecting a different sound seems to reset the tempo to one that is...defined by the sound? I'd get different tempos depending on which patch I selected, but it is very disruptive to a Link session. Can anyone confirm this? FWIW, I was running in IAA mode...

Stuntman_mike

@Vorgon said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Vorgon said:
Little help, if possible folks? I had nearly all the Animoog IAPs. I successfully imported them, but there is no sound from any of them! All the Z sounds sound perfectly… is there a solution or, as is more likely, something basic that I’m not doing right?

You have to import timbres and presets together.
1. Put timbres and presets all in the same folder instead of separate folders
2. Compress folder
3. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

Thanks Mike. Thing is, when I open up my animoog folder in Files, there doesn’t seem to be a timbres folder and I don’t know how to extract them from the App…
I do appreciate the steer, though.

Oh, sorry it’s called Categories.
You’ll find the timbre wave files in there 🤩

knewspeak

@uncledave said:

@tja said:

@Carnbot said:

@tja said:

Whats going wrong here compared to when I do it is you don't need to show the ios dock, just dragging zip file to the bottom right of Files when AZ is open in background works for me.

Not for me.
But it can happen that instead iZip Pro get's opened - no idea why

Right, maybe iZip pro has hijacked that process, i don't have that installed.

I uninstalled iZip Pro, reinstalled it and tested the process again - this time the Readdle Documents App would open.

No comment.

Yes. This "drag to the corner" process sounds like magic to me. It sounds like it just selects one of the apps registered for .zip files, maybe the first, last, or most recently used. It might work for a file type with a unique association, but otherwise it's just random.

Not, magic, just a file system for toddlers, created by Apple, because they like to control sharing of files.

NeuM

@BroCoast said:
Hmm after playing with Z earlier today the battery drain on my iPhone SE is crazy.

I always keep mine plugged in. Never a problem that way.

NeuM

@Carnbot said:
We need to merge these threads

But first the threads need to be compressed as a ZIP file…

Stuntman_mike

@tja said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@tja said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@tja said:

@MoogMusicInc said:

@tja said:

@pantsofdeath said:
Good huh? The testing has been a joy!

As I wrote, I just compared the Default preset.... and it is wayyy better in the original IAA Animoog!

Thanks for looking closely into Animoog Z, the preset Default has been changed to use an initial path that is three-dimensional and is set up for 16 voice polyphony, so it is intended to sound different. The original Default preset had very long release trails that worked great with 4 voices, but quickly sounds too busy with 16 voices. Since the Default preset is the starting point of sound design for many, we thought it was important to enable the 16 voices in Animoog Z and to tweak the preset for that.

your friends at Moog

Many thanks, friends from Moog 🤗

I would like to get the old Default preset working in the new App - not only because I like it better than the new default preset, but also to simply check if the new App can do this exactly the same.
I would not not buy the App otherwise.

I will try to import the Default preset individually and compare again.

P.S. We really need a way to import a zip file with presets!
I cannot get Animoog Z to show up in the share sheet as target for such a file!

You have to import timbres and presets together.
1. Put timbres and presets all in the same folder instead of separate folders
2. Compress folder
3. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

I zipped the whole Animoog folder, as was documented.

Do it all in one folder instead, meaning grab all preset files and timbres then dump them in the same folder to compress. Worked better for me! Moog is updating the app today with a smoother import process.

I don't understand.
As I said, I compressed the whole old Animoog folder - that includes everything.

Oh, sorry it’s called Categories.
You’ll find the timbre wave files in there 🤩
Animoog seems like All the files in one folder as opposed to being in separate folders and then zipped up

Stuntman_mike

Updated Preset Importing Instructions:

1. Locate the Categories folder and Presets folder
2. Take all individual files from each sub folder then place them all in one folder; so both presets and timbres are altogether
3. Compress folder
4. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

Stuntman_mike

Updated Preset Importing Instructions:

1. Locate the Categories folder and Presets folder
2. Take all individual files from each sub folder then place them all in one folder; so both presets and timbres are altogether
3. Compress folder
4. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

anickt

@tja said:

@Carnbot said:

@tja said:

Whats going wrong here compared to when I do it is you don't need to show the ios dock, just dragging zip file to the bottom right of Files when AZ is open in background works for me.

Not for me.
But it can happen that instead iZip Pro get's opened - no idea why

I tried again this morning and now it wants to open NS2 instead of AZ even when AZ is the only other app open. NS2 was the last app I used last night that processes zip files so I guess that’s the issue with what app it wants to open. The regular Share process works fine for me so I’m not going to bother with this any more. I won’t be importing presets any time soon anyway since I’m done with what I have. I was a genius for a minute! 🤪

anickt

I tried again this morning and now it wants to open NS2 instead of AZ even when AZ is the only other app open. NS2 was the last app I used last night that processes zip files so I guess that’s the issue with what app it wants to open. The regular Share process works fine for me so I’m not going to bother with this any more. I won’t be importing presets any time soon anyway since I’m done with what I have. I was a genius for a minute! 🤪

Vorgon

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Vorgon said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Vorgon said:
Little help, if possible folks? I had nearly all the Animoog IAPs. I successfully imported them, but there is no sound from any of them! All the Z sounds sound perfectly… is there a solution or, as is more likely, something basic that I’m not doing right?

You have to import timbres and presets together.
1. Put timbres and presets all in the same folder instead of separate folders
2. Compress folder
3. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

Thanks Mike. Thing is, when I open up my animoog folder in Files, there doesn’t seem to be a timbres folder and I don’t know how to extract them from the App…
I do appreciate the steer, though.

Oh, sorry it’s called Categories.
You’ll find the timbre wave files in there 🤩

You’re a star!!!!!! It works. I am SO happy with this. It’s so great. The graphics subtly updating it, the possibilities so enhanced. I’m gonna crank it through Saturn and Eventide and I won’t be surprised if the fabric of time itself isn’t altered. I tip my grateful hat to you, sir!

Lorichs

@MoogMusicInc thank you so much. I’m so happy about this update that it is difficult to understand for people who are not into IOS music.

Stuntman_mike

@Vorgon said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Vorgon said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Vorgon said:
Little help, if possible folks? I had nearly all the Animoog IAPs. I successfully imported them, but there is no sound from any of them! All the Z sounds sound perfectly… is there a solution or, as is more likely, something basic that I’m not doing right?

You have to import timbres and presets together.
1. Put timbres and presets all in the same folder instead of separate folders
2. Compress folder
3. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

Thanks Mike. Thing is, when I open up my animoog folder in Files, there doesn’t seem to be a timbres folder and I don’t know how to extract them from the App…
I do appreciate the steer, though.

Oh, sorry it’s called Categories.
You’ll find the timbre wave files in there 🤩

You’re a star!!!!!! It works. I am SO happy with this. It’s so great. The graphics subtly updating it, the possibilities so enhanced. I’m gonna crank it through Saturn and Eventide and I won’t be surprised if the fabric of time itself isn’t altered. I tip my grateful hat to you, sir!

Woohoo, my pleasure!
Get loud and make noise man!!!

espiegel123

Is there a way to influence -- when importing presets -- what tags they come in with? I had a preset set I downloaded that came in untagged -- and I'd love if the presets were tagged with the name of the library they came from (as some others do)

Ploe

@sclurbs said:
Woohoo!!! This app claims to be MPE compliant. Cool! Fantastic. I really hope that's true. Because it's usually a lie. Can anyone confirm or deny if this is true MPE, made to work with an actual MPE controller, or is this just another 'mostly a lie but technically kind of supports half of a MPE function but not really" kind of MPE synth?

By this I mean....

Does it have the ability to control the modwheel, aftertouch, and pitch bend settings INDIVIDUALLY completely independent of each other? Like, this isn't gonna be like Volt or Magellin 2, where if you do modwheel bends or aftertouch on more than one note at a time everything phases into itself and sounds all fucked up? because that is MOST DEFINITELY NOT MPE

Maybe I get you wrong, but I think you misunderstood what MPE is.
The modwheel does not work individually for one note. That’s just not possible. Same with Aftertouch.

But yes, it is true MPE. The presets even are programmed for taking full advantage of an MPE controller.
Which Controller do you use? It works fine with my Haken Continuum, but also should work with Linnstrument, Seaboard, or Sensel Morph …

sigma79

Why does it sound out of tune. If you compare notes from app keyboard. To kb1 keyboard and aum keyboard.

Can I send midi from kb1 on an ipad via audio4c to ipad mini ( moog z )

skiphunt

Oh wow... this is so much fun on the desktop.

cokomairena

anyone has a zip file of old presets to share to test this import thing?

NoiseFloored

I don’t see lift and slide as MPE modulation controls, are they mapped to specific parameters under the hood or just not used at all?

sclurbs

@Ploe

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying or you're misunderstanding me. To me it sounds like you are saying is that modwheel and aftertouch can only have one active variable which affects all notes at once equally, which can't be right so there's gotta be a misunderstanding somewhere. I've since gotten the app and am super impressed with it. It handles modwheel and afterthouch individually per note, as per the entire point of MPE. Works in all ways I could hope for. Continua is a bit better at programming CC commands swiftly, but in all other ways this seems to be the fabled all in one MPE synth I've been dreaming for all these years. Sounds are all so crisp and pure and responsive.

wim

@Ploe said:
The modwheel does not work individually for one note. That’s just not possible. Same with Aftertouch.

There are two types of aftertouch. Monophonic aftertouch (otherwise known as channel pressure) is global independently note. Polyphonic Aftertouch is per-note. MPE controllers usually implement Poly Aftertouch, but not always.

You're right about mod wheel. I suspect what @sclurbs is referring to as modulation is really per-note expression, which is usually CC74 on the vertical axis of the keys on an MPE controller. I think the frustration is over apps that don't support expression and Poly Aftertouch, but I could be wrong.

Simon

@brenner13 said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Simon said:
IMPORTING LEGACY PRESETS & TIMBRES GUIDE:

https://animoog-z-manual.webflow.io/importing-legacy-presets

Thank you Simon

YES…thank YOU!!!!

Don't thank me - I just reposted what someone else had already posted elsewhere. Glad it was helpful.

wim

@NoiseFloored said:
I don’t see lift and slide as MPE modulation controls, are they mapped to specific parameters under the hood or just not used at all?

Oooh. I don't see that either. That's bad. I hope I'm missing something.

(Lift = Release velocity, Slide = MPE expression CC74)

@sclurbs - heads-up regarding your question about full MPE support.

sclurbs

@wim I was always under the assumption that 'modwheel' and 'cc74' were synonymous. So yeah if they are actually separate yet closely related entities maybe that's where I'm confused.

Are you saying slide is synonymous with cc74? I've never heard cc74 refered to as slide. I was assuming that was about pitch bend sliding when I read that

NoiseFloored

@sclurbs @wim I'm following ROLI's terminology here:

• Strike: note on velocity
• Press: poly aftertouch (which I think Animoog Z implements as vertical sliding)
• Glide: pitch bend (horizontal sliding)
• Slide: CC 74 (what is implemented in ROLI controllers as vertical sliding)
• Lift: note off velocity

brenner13

Yep, super DUPER fast battery drain. Even plugged into a generic AC adapter, the app pulls more current than the charger can supply. Eeeek!

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anickt

@sclurbs said:
@wim I was always under the assumption that 'modwheel' and 'cc74' were synonymous. So yeah if they are actually separate yet closely related entities maybe that's where I'm confused.

Are you saying slide is synonymous with cc74? I've never heard cc74 refered to as slide. I was assuming that was about pitch bend sliding when I read that

In the original MIDI Standard and the old days of hardware, MIDI CC74 was always Filter Cutoff. It was also called Brilliance or Brightness and a few other things as I remember. Mod Wheel is CC01. There are a large number of unassigned CC’s as well. I think devs should have left the original assignments alone and used the unassigned CC’s for new functions. See this chart:

https://anotherproducer.com/online-tools-for-musicians/midi-cc-list/