New Moog Animoog Z AUV3 Released!

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anickt

@tja said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
Updated Preset Importing Instructions:

1. Locate the Categories folder and Presets folder
2. Take all individual files from each sub folder then place them all in one folder; so both presets and timbres are altogether
3. Compress folder
4. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

But why?
The documented way is to compress the whole Animoog folder.
Where did you get this from and in what shall that differ to the regular way?

I believe compressing the Animoog folder was to transfer all existing presets from Animoog to Animoog Z. The above method would be for individual preset collections.

NoiseFloored

@anickt said:

@sclurbs said:
@wim I was always under the assumption that 'modwheel' and 'cc74' were synonymous. So yeah if they are actually separate yet closely related entities maybe that's where I'm confused.

Are you saying slide is synonymous with cc74? I've never heard cc74 refered to as slide. I was assuming that was about pitch bend sliding when I read that

In the original MIDI Standard and the old days of hardware, MIDI CC74 was always Filter Cutoff. It was also called Brilliance or Brightness and a few other things as I remember. Mod Wheel is CC01. There are a large number of unassigned CC’s as well. I think devs should have left the original assignments alone and used the unassigned CC’s for new functions. See this chart:

https://anotherproducer.com/online-tools-for-musicians/midi-cc-list/

@anickt the problem is that CC 74 is already part of the MPE standard as adopted by the MIDI Association

oat_phipps

Does anyone understand exactly how the z dimension influences the timbres/crossfading the timbres? The manual on that part was kinda unclear past the 4-block timbre diagram regarding the xy axes.

But I still recommend reading it, Moog manuals are great. It also tells all of those many who are having problems exactly how to import the presets. A lot of you are making it way too hard.

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bleep

@oat_phipps said:
Does anyone understand exactly how the z dimension influences the timbres/crossfading the timbres? The manual on that part was kinda unclear past the 4-block timbre diagram regarding the xy axes.

The xy timbres extend in a similar manner in the z direction, so it's just a way to get even more timbre crossfading as the comets move about.

Reading the manual, I noticed that this AU can work in the FX slot, too! Not just for recording timbres (which is cool in itself), but also as an audio effect processor. Use the orbs as sources for modulating the effects.

Stuntman_mike

@tja said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
Updated Preset Importing Instructions:

1. Locate the Categories folder and Presets folder
2. Take all individual files from each sub folder then place them all in one folder; so both presets and timbres are altogether
3. Compress folder
4. Share folder to Animoog Z!

Don’t worry, Animoog Z will only import what’s needed.

But why?
The documented way is to compress the whole Animoog folder.
Where did you get this from and in what shall that differ to the regular way?

Moog’s instructions didn’t work for Monster Moog presets
Try my instructions, they work

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ghost_forests

Could someone kindly point me to the manual?

wim

@NoiseFloored said:
@sclurbs @wim I'm following ROLI's terminology here:

• Strike: note on velocity
• Press: poly aftertouch (which I think Animoog Z implements as vertical sliding)
• Glide: pitch bend (horizontal sliding)
• Slide: CC 74 (what is implemented in ROLI controllers as vertical sliding)
• Lift: note off velocity

This is exactly correct.

wim

@anickt said:

@sclurbs said:
@wim I was always under the assumption that 'modwheel' and 'cc74' were synonymous. So yeah if they are actually separate yet closely related entities maybe that's where I'm confused.

Are you saying slide is synonymous with cc74? I've never heard cc74 refered to as slide. I was assuming that was about pitch bend sliding when I read that

In the original MIDI Standard and the old days of hardware, MIDI CC74 was always Filter Cutoff. It was also called Brilliance or Brightness and a few other things as I remember. Mod Wheel is CC01. There are a large number of unassigned CC’s as well. I think devs should have left the original assignments alone and used the unassigned CC’s for new functions. See this chart:

https://anotherproducer.com/online-tools-for-musicians/midi-cc-list/

MPE is a hack of the original MIDI spec to jury-rig it for polyphonic expression. CC74 is virtually always used as the "expression" (or in Roli terminology "slide") CC that is sent out, typically on sliding vertically on keys. I imagine CC74 was chosen because of how often it is mapped to just that ... filter cutoff. Kinda makes sense if you think of it naturally working with synths that already have CC74 mapped to filter cutoff.

I don't know how the MPE hackaround evolved but it sort of makes sense that CC74 was chosen by hardware manufacturers. At any rate, that's the way it is. App developers have no choice but to support it now.

That is, until MIDI 2.0 takes hold.

espiegel123

@sclurbs said:
@wim I was always under the assumption that 'modwheel' and 'cc74' were synonymous. So yeah if they are actually separate yet closely related entities maybe that's where I'm confused.

Are you saying slide is synonymous with cc74? I've never heard cc74 refered to as slide. I was assuming that was about pitch bend sliding when I read that

Mod Wheel refers to MIDI CC 01

anickt

@tja said:
@anickt Did you try both Default presets?

No I was just trying presets in Z that I imported from A. I didn’t realize you were specifically referring to the Default presets. @MoogMusicInc answered your question on one of these threads. Hard to keep track!

uncledave

@ghost_forests said:
Could someone kindly point me to the manual?

https://animoog-z-manual.webflow.io/
It's a web link from inside the (free) app.

sigma79

Has anyone noticed it cant move in aum ( without strobing ) if it passes over another app?

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ggunn

I just downloaded the Animoog Z app, but I can't find a manual for it anywhere

anickt

@ggunn said:
I just downloaded the Animoog Z app, but I can't find a manual for it anywhere

Settings > Manual

BroCoast

What a CPU and battery killer!

Almost 2x Model 15 even in 4 voice mode.

anickt

Here’s a tip. If you click on Share Filtered Presets with no filters selected you will get a zip file of all your presets.

mojozart

https://animoog-z-manual.webflow.io/importing-legacy-presets

craftycurate

@BroCoast said:
What a CPU and battery killer!

Almost 2x Model 15 even in 4 voice mode.

Yep, that's what's stopping me buying the IAP at this point. It does sound amazing but battery killers don't get a place in my setup. May well be fixed in an update - maybe to lower the refresh rate or find ways to make GUI redraw more efficient.

mojozart

I followed the manual and zipped the animoog folder on my iPad and then dragged it to the edge of the screen as @Stuntman_mike instructed, and then repeated a few times like the manual said until it took, and then waited a while for Z to attach the sounds to the presets -- and now the job is done.

mojozart

As for CPU draw, well, welcome to the next generation!

Actually, I haven't tried this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the CPU draw would drop significantly on older HW if you went to Settings / Display and disabled a few of the buttons.

oat_phipps

I cannot get on board with not using something because of battery drain. That’s plain silly. Plus, it’ll probably get optimized over time.

wim

@oat_phipps said:
I cannot get on board with not using something because of battery drain. That’s plain silly. Plus, it’ll probably get optimized over time.

You might if your primary usage was on a phone away from the house. There are such critters I’ve heard.

oat_phipps

@wim said:

@oat_phipps said:
I cannot get on board with not using something because of battery drain. That’s plain silly. Plus, it’ll probably get optimized over time.

You might if your primary usage was on a phone away from the house. There are such critters I’ve heard.

I’m an obsessive about keeping a charge or topping off before I go out. No worries for me!

circledsquare

@espiegel123 said:
Is there a way to influence -- when importing presets -- what tags they come in with? I had a preset set I downloaded that came in untagged -- and I'd love if the presets were tagged with the name of the library they came from (as some others do)

Perhaps the library name in the preset itself is being used? There are several different versions of the Animoog OG patch standard, and some publicly available patches use older versions (for instance, it could be that Rustik's first patches, the ones that rely on builtin and IAP timbres and not his custom timbres, use an older version). I vaguely remember discovering the way this is handled changes from version to version (patches are stored in text, so you can read them!).

If that is correct, a possible solution would be to reexport the patches from a recent version of Animoog OG, because then they would use the latest Animoog OG patch standard?

BroCoast

@oat_phipps said:
I cannot get on board with not using something because of battery drain. That’s plain silly. Plus, it’ll probably get optimized over time.

Aye. I am on board and loving it…

Just an observation. 😊

I get a day of untethered music making from a full charge on my iPhone SE (using Drambo, Model 15, Loopy Pro etc.) Z brings that down to about 2 hours.