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"A.I." (Machine Learning Algorithms) To Generate Art

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  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @auxmux said:
    Cool articles, agreed it's new ground and TBD what happens, but it's better to discuss than being alarmist.

    The most alarmist ones tend to be those who haven't bothered to research what diffusion rendering actually is and have never spent much time using it themselves. They just hear about the basic idea of typing what you want to see (like a google image search), look at the results, then draw massive conclusions about what it is doing, particularly that it is just cutting and pasting and rearranging bits of existing images. If they only knew the far more alarming truth... ;)

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @shinyisshiny said:
    ive been going in on midjourney lately. ive spent hours every day for the last week just rendering. incredible technology. game changing

    Wow! Disturbing!

  • mojozartmojozart
    edited August 2022

    In the case of generative art, the connection to copyrighted sources should be easier to prove than in real life.

    That is, either the algorithm trained on an artist's images or it didn't. If it did, then the generated art is a derivative work, is it not?

    I expect and hope that copyright law will be enforced in generative art in order to compensate the copyright holders for these derivative works.

    This will result in some accountability for the derivative work, and some small compensation for the original artists.

    https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/what-are-derivative-works-under-copyright-law

    First, the derivative work has protection under the copyright of the original work. Copyright protection for the owner of the original copyright extends to derivative works. This means that the copyright owner of the original work also owns the rights to derivative works. Therefore, the owner of the copyright to the original work may bring a copyright infringement lawsuit against someone who creates a derivative work without permission.

    Second, the derivative work itself has copyright protection. The creator of the derivative work owns the copyright to the derivative work. This can either be the creator of the original work, or someone else who has obtained a derivative work license from the holder of the original copyright.

    The copyright of a derivative work is separate from the copyright to the original work. Therefore, if the copyright holder gives someone a license to create a derivative work, the holder retains the copyright to the original work. In other words, only the derivative rights are being licensed.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @mojozart said:
    In the case of generative art, the connection to copyrighted sources should be easier to prove than in real life.

    That is, either the algorithm trained on an artist's images or it didn't. If it did, then the generated art is a derivative work, is it not?

    Maybe this will depend on how 'training' on images for a machine differs from a human 'training' on images.

    I expect and hope that copyright law will be enforced in generative art in order to compensate the copyright holders for these derivative works.

    This will result in some accountability for the derivative work, and some small compensation for the original artists.

    What happens when a derivative work is completely visually distinct from the dataset sources though? Most of the things that come out of a given diffusion rendering bare no direct resemblance to any individual pieces in the dataset. In my mind current laws regarding copyright and trademark infringement are that a given work be visually obvious as such. So yes, if you use a diffusion renderer to recreate an established Pokémon character and then you sell it, sure that is trademark infringement, no different than if you made it by hand yourself, because it looks like an existing IP. If however you create images with diffusion rendering that do not look like an individual work in the dataset (the vast majority of renderings), where is the visually obvious infringement then?

    Perhaps laws will come in where businesses need to disclose their datasets if they profit from machine learning of copyright works but I am sceptical that anything on the books support this now and that it would happen any time soon. For individuals generating their own diffusion renderings with their own offline dataset (which will be extremely commonplace and dominant very soon) there is pretty much no ability to govern this. So I feel they may start to inch forward on new laws but the fact is most people will be able to entirely generate these things independently. The current Stable Diffusion model is an open source free 4gb download and renders on local hardware.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @auxmux said:

    @Poppadocrock said:
    Quick Question about Dall-E credits. Do the credits run on the calendar month, or do they run on a monthly basis based on when you sign up?

    I got 50 free credits the first month and want to know if I should try to use them up before the end of August or I’m good until a month from sign up? Thanks.

    Those 50 free credits will expire in 30 days from your sign up date. Purchased credits expire after a year.

    Thanks so much for the info @auxmux

  • u0421793u0421793

    For now on I shall take pictures of something and tag them as being a picture of something else

  • david_2017david_2017

    how did you guys managed to get into Dall-E? one week waiting list... took it so long with you also?

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited August 2022

    @u0421793 said:
    For now on I shall take pictures of something and tag them as being a picture of something else

    https://replicate.com/methexis-inc/img2prompt

    It can deconstruct the content of an image without tags

  • u0421793u0421793

    @AudioGus said:

    @u0421793 said:
    For now on I shall take pictures of something and tag them as being a picture of something else

    https://replicate.com/methexis-inc/img2prompt

    It can deconstruct the content of an image without tags

    But if enough photogs and artists fuck with it, such generative prompt driven systems won’t have a leg to stand on, at the 51% point they’ll have to believe us, and we’ll have won

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @u0421793 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @u0421793 said:
    For now on I shall take pictures of something and tag them as being a picture of something else

    https://replicate.com/methexis-inc/img2prompt

    It can deconstruct the content of an image without tags

    But if enough photogs and artists fuck with it, such generative prompt driven systems won’t have a leg to stand on, at the 51% point they’ll have to believe us, and we’ll have won

    The datasets have billions of properly tagged images now to test any new images off of that it encounters. The battle was lost long before it started. You'd need one of these...

  • onerezonerez

    Just getting over covid and been playing with MJ….. fun times.







  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
    edited August 2022

    I find all of these images disturbing and hellish. Even the more benign ones are somehow disturbing. I have no ideological beef with AI; this kind of art is just engendering a very weird vibration for me. Even when it’s good.

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr not that these images will help you with your vibratory interpretation of these images, but i will now give you what AI depicts with:
    Visions of the Somnobulist (for i too feel that these images lay somewhere between that state of wakefulness and dreams):


  • GavinskiGavinski

    @echoopera said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr not that these images will help you with your vibratory interpretation of these images, but i will now give you what AI depicts with:
    Visions of the Somnobulist (for i too feel that these images lay somewhere between that state of wakefulness and dreams):


    These are great. Some of this AI art is just absolutely mad trippy. What software was used to make these?

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Gavinski yeah it is truly wild. These are done with MidJourney. I find the most success with it for my noodling.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @echoopera said:
    @Gavinski yeah it is truly wild. These are done with MidJourney. I find the most success with it for my noodling.

    Thnx yeah I joined their discord yesterday, seems to be regarded as one of the best, cheers

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Gavinski said:

    @echoopera said:
    @Gavinski yeah it is truly wild. These are done with MidJourney. I find the most success with it for my noodling.

    Thnx yeah I joined their discord yesterday, seems to be regarded as one of the best, cheers

    Welcome to the Rabbit Hole of infinite variety 😵‍💫😉

  • auxmuxauxmux

    Some recent experiments.

  • espiegel123espiegel123


  • ArtjArtj

    @david_2017 said:
    how did you guys managed to get into Dall-E? one week waiting list... took it so long with you also?

    I forgot how long I waited, but at least a week for me certainly, maybe longer? I don't have IG, Twitter, Linkedin. Maybe that affected their selection algo.

  • david_2017david_2017
    edited August 2022

    Yeah I am just a human too - no influencer and stuff - but I got my invite this night. WOW, this is amazing!
    Right now am working through the the biggies (Dall-e, MJ and NightCafé). I find nightlife has with stage diffusion a winner too, but you have to go to the advanced options and turn that prompt %% to 100%. Was not happy with the outcomes but when I started to turn this slider up. wow, great results!

    I wish MJ would have a 5 free shots a day policy too

    @Artj said:

    @david_2017 said:
    how did you guys managed to get into Dall-E? one week waiting list... took it so long with you also?

    I forgot how long I waited, but at least a week for me certainly, maybe longer? I don't have IG, Twitter, Linkedin. Maybe that affected their selection algo.

  • echooperaechoopera

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @david_2017 said:
    how did you guys managed to get into Dall-E? one week waiting list... took it so long with you also?

    I simply signed up as a regular person not an artist. I didn’t add any social or anything either. About a week for me with Dall-e

  • SynthiSynthi
    edited September 2022

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    I find all of these images disturbing and hellish. Even the more benign ones are somehow disturbing. I have no ideological beef with AI; this kind of art is just engendering a very weird vibration for me. Even when it’s good.

    I’m absolutely with you, there is something that is not “good”, it bring something that not belong to this world and I deeply feel shouldn’t be here

  • david_2017david_2017
    edited September 2022

    Yes and no.
    I get you both, but it’s „garbage in garbage out“ (it should be clear I am not talking about garbage :)). Many many people somehow longing for transcendental material, demons, cyborgs, fantasy beings and stuff. Let me post some of mine - are these carrying the hellish dark flavor too?


    @Synthi said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    I find all of these images disturbing and hellish. Even the more benign ones are somehow disturbing. I have no ideological beef with AI; this kind of art is just engendering a very weird vibration for me. Even when it’s good.

    I’m absolutely with you, there is something that is not “good”, it bring something that not belong to this world and I deeply feel shouldn’t be here

  • KrupaKrupa

    I wouldn’t say hellish myself, more disquieting and ominous, sinister in some ways perhaps. It’s interesting that they seem to share this quality no matter the subject. I wonder if the matter of ‘soul’ could be invoked in the discussion of them. (ghost in the machine style rather than Old Testament religions). Is a machine making images going to be able to create anything invoking joy for instance?

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @Krupa said:
    I wouldn’t say hellish myself, more disquieting and ominous, sinister in some ways perhaps. It’s interesting that they seem to share this quality no matter the subject. I wonder if the matter of ‘soul’ could be invoked in the discussion of them. (ghost in the machine style rather than Old Testament religions). Is a machine making images going to be able to create anything invoking joy for instance?

    Maybe there’s a bias, in knowing who the creators are?

  • KrupaKrupa
    edited September 2022

    @knewspeak said:

    @Krupa said:
    I wouldn’t say hellish myself, more disquieting and ominous, sinister in some ways perhaps. It’s interesting that they seem to share this quality no matter the subject. I wonder if the matter of ‘soul’ could be invoked in the discussion of them. (ghost in the machine style rather than Old Testament religions). Is a machine making images going to be able to create anything invoking joy for instance?

    Maybe there’s a bias, in knowing who the creators are?

    Always the case, but being as objective as possible I still see that trait. I think there’s an interesting discussion to be had about what humanity is arising from this technology for sure though.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @Krupa said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Krupa said:
    I wouldn’t say hellish myself, more disquieting and ominous, sinister in some ways perhaps. It’s interesting that they seem to share this quality no matter the subject. I wonder if the matter of ‘soul’ could be invoked in the discussion of them. (ghost in the machine style rather than Old Testament religions). Is a machine making images going to be able to create anything invoking joy for instance?

    Maybe there’s a bias, in knowing who the creators are?

    Always the case, but being as objective as possible I still see that trait. I think there’s an interesting discussion to be had about what humanity is arising from this technology for sure though.

    Absolutely, not just limited to it’s use in the art’s though.

  • KrupaKrupa

    https://qz.com/the-next-step-for-dall-e-and-midjourney-is-animation-1849462801/amp/

    Just storing this here, I could do with a research grant for this 😁

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