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"A.I." (Machine Learning Algorithms) To Generate Art

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  • KirbyMumboKirbyMumbo

    I've been using StableDiffusions algos via a completely free M1 app called DiffusionBee. It taxes your system and it requires and 16GB to run well, though. I think it may work for intel based Macs as well.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    They talk about Dreambooth which lets you train your own handful of images and get very impressive results. You can actually rent an online GPU for only a couple bucks an hour and essentially append your own images to a dataset for very little cost.

    I wonder when these systems will be better trained to understand how hands and fingers work.

    It doesn't really know how anything works. The whole thing is like a complex optical illusion in a way.

    At some point it will solidify the connection that human beings generally have hands and fingers and that part of the model will be consistent. It's just a matter of "training" the dataset.

    A larger dataset will produce more convincing results but it really doesn't have a concept of humans or hands. I guess you are speaking more metaphorically though.

    Right. It's just a matter of training the system. These systems are machine learning models, not genuine "artificial intelligence".

    AI is a term with a very broad meaning. Machine learning is a subset of AI. It is a particular strategy/technique within the more general field of AI .

    I should imagine the machine learning technology would be applied to full 3D rendering, learning mechanics of various poses and movements, if that’s not already possible. Ultimately making it near impossible to discern the real from simulated.

  • KrupaKrupa

    You say it, they make it 😅

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited October 2022

    For any who are interested, today is Tesla’s “A.I. Day” in which they go into detail about the current state of their machine learning systems and they are also going to be showing their Optimus humanoid assistant/worker robot.

    The event will be live-streamed here:

    I’m prepared to be both ‘wowed’ and underwhelmed by the 1.0 version of this robot, but I think in many respects it will exceed expectations since we’re so used to seeing what robots are capable of thanks to a steady stream of Boston Dynamics robot demonstration videos.

    There is now a 23+ minute condensed version of Tesla’s AI Day, which might be easier to watch than the actual 3.5 (!) hour event:

  • FastGhostFastGhost

    If it's as good as their full self driving it's gonna kill a lot of people. Unless of course that's what it's told to do.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @FastGhost said:
    If it's as good as their full self driving it's gonna kill a lot of people. Unless of course that's what it's told to do.

    Hmm. I know you’re joking, but how many people have avoided accidents versus the FSD system deliberately causing one? I don’t think one can really draw any conclusions without seeing the whole picture.

  • NeuMNeuM

    Version 1.0 of Tesla's Optimus:

  • auxmuxauxmux
    edited October 2022

    AI Drums. Richard Devine showing a new VST that uses AI to generate one shot samples.

    Pretty cool, I got the early access as well to the VST and it's a lot of fun.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited October 2022

    @auxmux said:
    AI Drums. Richard Devine showing a new VST that uses AI to generate one shot samples.

    Pretty cool, I got the early access as well to the VST and it's a lot of fun.

    I'd consider that 'percussive', but not drums.

    Also... VOLUME WARNING needed on that video.

  • Tamir_Raz_MatazTamir_Raz_Mataz

    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited October 2022

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited October 2022

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited October 2022

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    As I’m an old person, I’m overjoyed I’ll miss the time when there’s no longer a career, or any point, for humans to create art, music, literature, design, fashion, etc.

    Because that sounds like a totally shite world to live in. Artificial in every sense of the word.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Illustration.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited October 2022

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

  • KrupaKrupa

    I love the depiction of early machine culture in The Animatrix, a shame how it all turns out though…

  • NeuMNeuM

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    That’s possible but will the dog wag the tail or the tail wag the dog.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    He also thinks Ukraine should give in to Russia, but he’s wrong about that too.

    Robots won’t take over all work because we are at the beginning of a total, climatic breakdown, along with economic and energy crises, and so technology resources - from research, to materials - are going to have their work cut out dealing with that stuff instead.

    Who’s going to rebuild Ukraine, is it Tesla robots? No, it isn’t. It’s people, isn’t it Elon.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    He also thinks Ukraine should give in to Russia, but he’s wrong about that too.

    Robots won’t take over all work because we are at the beginning of a total, climatic breakdown, along with economic and energy crises, and so technology resources - from research, to materials - are going to have their work cut out dealing with that stuff instead.

    Right, I tend to think people look at the AI / compute / tech curves as though the environment and economic systems can just support their advance in perpetuity. I could just as easily see a world where I am kicking myself for having tossed out that valuable semi broken ipad one from many years ago.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @AudioGus said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    He also thinks Ukraine should give in to Russia, but he’s wrong about that too.

    Robots won’t take over all work because we are at the beginning of a total, climatic breakdown, along with economic and energy crises, and so technology resources - from research, to materials - are going to have their work cut out dealing with that stuff instead.

    Right, I tend to think people look at the AI / compute / tech curves as though the environment and economic systems can just support their advance in perpetuity. I could just as easily see a world where I am kicking myself for having tossed out that valuable semi broken ipad one from many years ago.

    I’m keeping my paper books, DVDs, CDs and board games in anticipation of net meltdown, the last of the (crazy) archivists 😅

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited October 2022

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    He also thinks Ukraine should give in to Russia, but he’s wrong about that too.

    Robots won’t take over all work because we are at the beginning of a total, climatic breakdown, along with economic and energy crises, and so technology resources - from research, to materials - are going to have their work cut out dealing with that stuff instead.

    Who’s going to rebuild Ukraine, is it Tesla robots? No, it isn’t. It’s people, isn’t it Elon.

    This is not a political thread. Don’t try to make it one.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited October 2022

    @AudioGus said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    Make precise alterations based on commissioning editor feedback. And/or adhere to a strict brief.

    If publishers just want weird random stuff then they can bypass illustrators and get someone in the office to do it. Usually though their requirements are very specific.

    @NeuM said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What do u think the ai can’t do and a only a real illustrator can?

    These cannot do hands well yet, so...

    Faces aren’t great either - there’s more often than not strange bits stuck on, and distortions that don’t adhere to generally acknowledged concepts of anatomy. Then there’s the extra legs that seem to crop up in group renders…

    I find the deliberately weird stuff entertaining, but most of the illustration attempts I’ve seen (and Instagram is chock full of the stuff at the moment) have all the artistic integrity of an Athena poster on acid.

    The good stuff is generally a result of using the AI as a starting point, and using other digital tools to hoik it into place. So, human illustrators, then.

    I fully expect those bugs will be worked out of these systems within a year, possibly less.

    Maybe, not if it ‘learns’ by scraping images from its own output though, which are now properly taking over the internets.

    Things might get even weirder….

    As I said, I like the weird, incredibly detailed trippy stuff, and I can see it being used by fantasy illustrators as part of an existing toolkit, but in its current form it’s still a long way from replacing traditional illustration work.

    To get a sense of how fast these systems are advancing, I recommend this YouTube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz

    The really big leaps have come in the last several years and that curve is accelerating, not decreasing.

    And when advanced machine learning systems are married with robotics, suddenly most of the world will find themselves replaced with tireless workers who never stop working, except to be replaced with another better, faster, cheaper robot.

    I saw what was coming and got out of my line of work and instead chose to invest in companies best suited to take advantage of these huge advances. If I was a younger person, I'd plow every extra dollar I had into companies leveraging machine learning/A.I. and retire early.

    A couple of questions what will humanity be doing and where is all the energy to keep the multitude of AI machines and humanity going.

    I have no illusions about all work suddenly being handed over to robots, but it’s now happening much faster than even I originally thought it would. And why is it happening? The massive demographic shift that is happening worldwide demands it. There are too many people leaving the workforce and too few people replacing them. Thus, the rise of the robotic workforce.

    That may be so, but what of the implications, the two questions I raised, a massive redundant population of humanity and implications of resources to humanity and the machine’s.

    At some point, all skilled work will be performed by robots and artificial intelligence. It's inevitable (unless there is something like the "Butlerian Jihad" of Frank Herbert's Dune universe coming around the corner). People will just have to figure out what is important when such a scenario comes about. Remember, there didn't used to be a YouTube or Instagram economy built on personalities before, but there is now. Markets change and people adapt.

    YouTube is largely human’s producing content for other human’s using technology as a tool in the creative process, what happens eventually when AI produce nearly everything, the role of most of humanity becomes mute and economically mute too, therefore power and wealth will be consolidated with the AI owner’s, a small fraction of the world’s population. Yes I agree that would be a market change.

    I'm not going to be pessimistic about these developments at this stage. People are clever and adaptable. And it's Elon Musk's opinion that people will choose to merge with A.I. rather than be replaced.

    He also thinks Ukraine should give in to Russia, but he’s wrong about that too.

    Robots won’t take over all work because we are at the beginning of a total, climatic breakdown, along with economic and energy crises, and so technology resources - from research, to materials - are going to have their work cut out dealing with that stuff instead.

    Right, I tend to think people look at the AI / compute / tech curves as though the environment and economic systems can just support their advance in perpetuity. I could just as easily see a world where I am kicking myself for having tossed out that valuable semi broken ipad one from many years ago.

    Half of my clients here don’t even have a reliable internet connection, or computer that’s less than a decade old, I can’t see them getting a robot that does everything.

    Even if they had one, the problem I can see with robotic capability can be summed up below:

    The switch for our bathroom shower stopped working 8 months ago. It’s like an electric plug inside, with 6 connecting wires instead of three, but for much thicker wires, and operated via a pull cord.

    The first one I tried to replace, but the new design had horizontally placed holes for the earth wires, which were impossible to fit.

    So we bought a second, different model. This I fitted and it switched on, but it wouldn’t switch off again. It broke the first time.

    We then went for the third, final option in the shop. The layout was completely different, and as I didn’t want to electrocute myself, got an electrician in.

    This then worked for 8 months, until it jammed up this morning.

    So there’s two problems for our robotic future here:

    1. The switch is on the ceiling, in the corner. To get to it you stand on a stepladder, and once the casing is off, somehow squeeze your head into a position where you can see the screws at the back. Using physical magic you somehow manage to get the retaining holes open via screws located behind the unit with about 2cm clear for your tools, manhandle a thick electric cable into the (correct) socket, and tighten it up. You do this 6 times, then put the casing back on. Bear in mind with each attached cable, you have progressively less room in the switch casing to work. The last one’s a bugger.

    Now. I think it highly unlikely a robot will be available any time soon to do that. If there was one, it’d have to be be specially designed for the task, built like a tank, and operated by a professional.

    Once you’ve worked out how to get it up the stairs, paid for the professional operator to bring, and operate it, you might as well have got in an electrician. Multiply this task by literally hundreds of other tasks, most of which will be unique to a particular property.

    1. Quality control. If they’re struggling to make a simple switch that: a. works longer than 8 months, and b. actually works at all, I hate to think how reliable mass produced cyber-electricians will be.

    In summary: we’ll still need home electricians.

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