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Strangely I bought a MPC One, MicroFreak, Werkstatt and some pedals last year because of these types of decisions. I love iOS, but I want to know I can do big things no matter what and hardware locks this need in place.
My experience is that every app update I submit has about a 25% chance of being rejected. Not fun and is a major waste of time. Having to do fake updates would be incredibly annoying.
If Apple followed this rule for themselves, most of iOS would have to be removed. Stable useful software is stable and doesn't need to be artificially updated.
If they want to make the App Store better, maybe they could add the ability to filter and order search results. They could solve this "problem" by allowing a sort by modified date.
I really need Borderlands and Samplr to work forever. I hate this shit. I can get similar results a few different ways on desktop but I love working with these apps so much.
There's nothing here saying they won't continue to work, or even that they won't be available if you've purchased them. "No longer available for sale", isn't the same as being removed from the App Store entirely. If only removed from sale you'd still be able to restore them from your purchased apps.
However, a developer could react to having the app removed from sale and say "Fck this. I'm not paying $99 per year if my app isn't going to generate any revenue", and decide to let their developer account lapse. Then the apps would disappear. I would imagine that would be relatively rare, though.
I get all that. It just sucks to have to worry about these tools like 10 years from now. I love them so much. I have an old Air 1 that I should make sure gets charged once and a while - I know Samplr works on it, BG probably does…. It seems like it will never die and works surprisingly well. My 2017 2nd gen iPad Pro has already been replaced a few years ago and new one is starting to do the unresponsive to touch thing. They said I’m on my own if it happens to this replacement. I’m just venting @wim 😁🥺
Yeh, I get it. I'm seriously considering freezing my Air 2 at iOS 15. By freezing I mean turning off all updates of any kind (and also turning off WiFi altogether once I have a new device).
My gut is telling me that it's time to do that before things end up "one update too far" like when my iPad 2 turned into a useless paperweight.
The bitch about that is if the thing ever has to be restored from backup. No way to do that without being forced to the latest OS.
Might be worthwhile getting a new battery for it before you freeze?
Can't you just back it up to a computer and then restore from that if you need to? Or is the iOS not stored inside the iPad backup?
Nope. When you do a restore, the OS and all apps are forced to the latest version. If apps are gone from the App Store, you lose 'em, though if you have an iMazing backup made before the apps disappeared, you should be able to restore them.
So if you backup the iPad to a computer, then disconnect that computer from the net... you can't restore your iPad from the backup on the computer?
Dam there’s a decent amount of apps out there that are past two years. I could see maybe 4-5 years but 2 doesn’t sound that long.
The latest OS is downloaded by the computer and installed to the device as the first part of the restore process.
Bummer!
So, you have to have the internet connected to do anything? No internet, no iPad? That's a bit of a pain to anyone who doesn't have net access.
This move by Apple does not seem to tbe "customer friendly".
They will be taking away apps we have paid $$$s for. That's not very nice Tim.
Just to be clear for those not familiar with iMazing, you need to explicitly download/archive apps...the normal iMazing backup process does not download/archive apps. The archived apps do not contain IAP data.
It shouldn’t be a big deal for developers who are active. Even if there are no real updates per se, the developer could make some very small changes and update it as “various bug fixes”, which would reset the countdown.
I would imagine this is more likely to affect apps that developers may not be interested in working on anymore. To me that’s not a big deal as I don’t like keeping apps that just age without any upkeep, but it sounds like there are people here who like some of their older apps.
Hopefully it’s not going to be something that impacts people too often.
You would have to have some kind of internet access to even sign on to the device, so yes on all three points.
I see a burgeoning market for translation work; every few years devs can simply add a new localization to keep their apps 'fresh'.
It is a big deal. Basically, there's no such thing as a small change in software. Any change means you need to retest every part and feature of the application. We've all experienced bugs in software that were caused by a dev thinking something that was small and isolated and it turned out to be big and entangled. Every time I submit a change to the App Store, I have to test in every host and scenario that I use. For many devs, this would include new Test Flight releases and organizing all of that testing. It would for me if I were charging people for my apps.
After that you have to deal with the submission process with Apple. I've had several submissions of bug fixes that ended up costing me days of work and frustration just getting them through Apple. And, I've never had to actually change a single thing in any AU that Apple has rejected to get it through after multiple days of appeals. It's all just days of annoying nonsense trying to explain things to a person that has no idea what an AU is and has had no training on how to test and evaluate them. With Apple's recent submission changes, you are most likely going to have to produce a video showing how the application is supposed to be used.
My cynical take on this is that Apple is doing this to push less profitable devs out of the App Store.
But you actually update your apps, so you’re exempt.
Is it fair to Apple or customers to have thousands (or possibly hundreds of thousands) of questionable apps which haven’t been updated in years occupying space on the App Store, making searches less valuable and more difficult for customers?
I mean, I see your point, but they’re also a business and they have to be able to set restrictions if the store is overloaded with old abandoned apps, right?
There are numerous app acquisition companies which buy up and hoard dozens of apps in an attempt to scrape out the last bit of value from them, but since they’re not developers, they never update those apps. I’d like to see those bottom feeders driven off the App Store.
What's an abandoned app? Like I said above, most of the code in iOS hasn't been touched in years to decades. Apple finally tossed some UI's on some of the builtin AU's that have been around since before iOS existed in the last year. Those were very useful tools that are used in all sorts of applications and they really didn't need any updating (except moving them to 64-bit when that happened). Would the reviewers on the App Store team send Apple a removal notice for those?
From my point-of-view, if the software works, it doesn't violate any privacy terms, and the dev is paying Apple the $100 required to have things on the App Store, then it isn't abandoned.
If the problem is that the App Store is a sucking pile of garbage to find quality software on -- and, it is -- then Apple needs to fix their search. I will give Apple some credit, at least if I do an actual search for an app by name, I can find it. This is miles ahead of Google and Amazon in the last year or so.
The more profitable copies will remain and the originals will disappear.
What if devs just post a slight icon change once a year?
It won't get approved. Apple does do automated checks of every new update submission. One of the things they don't want is devs SPAMing the update system and annoying end users.
One simple thing that most could do is add a tip jar.
Anyone know of a good YouTube video that expains all this?
Here’s the perfect example of an abandoned app. This used to be a great app, but the developers sold it to an app acquisition company (called “App Holdings”), which holds a dumpster load of old and abandoned apps. The app hasn’t been updated in SEVEN years. This is a DEAD APP and that company is holding dozens of dead apps. And there are a LOT of deadbeat companies like this one on the App Store (I imagine the problem is 10x worse on the Android store). This is garbage that should either be updated to work on the latest version of iOS or it should be axed once and for all.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pearl-guitar/id681094559
Hopefully a developer is also keeping the app compliant with the latest version of iOS, and adding additional value to the app with refinements and additional features whenever it makes sense, but a tip jar is a good idea for any “free” app and might just help a novice or part-time developer get to the next level in pursuing a full-time career in development.
What nonsense!
Not everyone is using the latest version of iOS (or wants to).
It doesn't matter that the app is seven years old. If people paid for it and are still using it then that is a reson to keep it alive.
Wait until you are old and clapped out NeuM. We'll chuck you on the scrap heap! LOL
Keep in mind, if you have an old iPad/Phone running an older version of iOS and you keep only older, non-compliant apps on it, you’re not going to lose those. Even after they’ve been kicked off the App Store. Just back up the older device to a computer.
Hopefully will nudge Korg to update their apps to AUV3.