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Zenbeats Version 3

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  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Hey Everyone!

    Hope all doing well, here!

    @CapnWillie said:
    It’s been really quiet in terms of feature updates. Anything in 1st quarter to look forward too @MatthewAtZenbeats ?

    We're currently working on maintenance updates for Zenbeats this quarter. I'm really at liberty to discuss more.

    @dreamcartel said:
    This is still the best and only iOS daw that captures automation accurately from hardware /midi controllers

    Roland: JUST FIX WHATS BROKEN MAN. Simple: and this would be as good as logic

    ^^^^ This is the maintenance I speak of :-) ^^^^ We have healthy list to work from, but please do share anything you think will help the experience better. I'm all ears! 👍

    @ecou said:
    My first track written and mixed in Zenbeats.
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/59481/journey-to-proxima-centauri-zenbeats-lp4i

    Thank you @MatthewAtZenbeats for all your help in getting me started in Zenbeats and for such a great software. 👊🏻

    This is great @ecou ! It's giving me John Carpenter vibes and I no longer feel sale alone in my house.. (lol, just kidding) For real though, good moody stuff! I actually got to watch John Carpenter play a live set with a full band down in Houston back in 2016. It was amazing! Keep it up!

    Well you’ve got my attention and interest ! Thank you

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Hey Everyone!

    Hope all doing well, here!

    @CapnWillie said:
    It’s been really quiet in terms of feature updates. Anything in 1st quarter to look forward too @MatthewAtZenbeats ?

    We're currently working on maintenance updates for Zenbeats this quarter. I'm really at liberty to discuss more.

    @dreamcartel said:
    This is still the best and only iOS daw that captures automation accurately from hardware /midi controllers

    Roland: JUST FIX WHATS BROKEN MAN. Simple: and this would be as good as logic

    ^^^^ This is the maintenance I speak of :-) ^^^^ We have healthy list to work from, but please do share anything you think will help the experience better. I'm all ears! 👍

    @ecou said:
    My first track written and mixed in Zenbeats.
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/59481/journey-to-proxima-centauri-zenbeats-lp4i

    Thank you @MatthewAtZenbeats for all your help in getting me started in Zenbeats and for such a great software. 👊🏻

    This is great @ecou ! It's giving me John Carpenter vibes and I no longer feel sale alone in my house.. (lol, just kidding) For real though, good moody stuff! I actually got to watch John Carpenter play a live set with a full band down in Houston back in 2016. It was amazing! Keep it up!

    😎🙌

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • How can I select a track remotely using MIDI? I have a ZC1 tracks
    that I would like to select from my MIDI controller.

  • @nadaspam said:
    How can I select a track remotely using MIDI? I have a ZC1 tracks
    that I would like to select from my MIDI controller.

    Press the arrow in the desired track pannel to open it> select the cog wheel and a list shows> select Routing and press the arrow for a list> select Advanced MIDI and from there you can control individual MIDI channels.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • Before I pull the trigger on unlock, can any Zenheads tell me if the AU support includes midifx ? I want to be able to run midi sequencer plug-ins and things like Scaler2 and send midi to them for interaction and from them to other AU synths… It seems possible from docs but I want to make sure…

  • @CapnWillie said:
    Thanks for the update update @MatthewAtZenbeats Been rocking with your team since Stagelight days. Good to hear from you from time to time.

    @nadaspam said:
    How can I select a track remotely using MIDI? I have a ZC1 tracks
    that I would like to select from my MIDI controller.

    No way to select a track via MIDI but as @DMfan mentioned, the arrow keys work.

    can I ask what your use case for this is?

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Before I pull the trigger on unlock, can any Zenheads tell me if the AU support includes midifx ? I want to be able to run midi sequencer plug-ins and things like Scaler2 and send midi to them for interaction and from them to other AU synths… It seems possible from docs but I want to make sure…

    Yes, AU Midi plugins work as well.

  • edited March 9

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Before I pull the trigger on unlock, can any Zenheads tell me if the AU support includes midifx ? I want to be able to run midi sequencer plug-ins and things like Scaler2 and send midi to them for interaction and from them to other AU synths… It seems possible from docs but I want to make sure…

    Yes, AU Midi plugins work as well.

    Ok, pulled the trigger, but having trouble figuring out how to build this:

    I want to use the Midi generator plugin PianoMotifs. It has the ability to send its various parts to multiple midi channels.

    How do I structure this in ZenBeats?
    As far as I can tell, there’s no “midi track” so I assume I need to load an instrument on a track, add PianoMotifs as a midi effect, and just turn off the instrument…

    But how do I get midi from this PianoMotif track to 2 or 3 other tracks?

    I see a drop down in advanced midi where I can choose output track, but I seem to only be able to choose one track… I need to send ch1 to trackA, ch2 to trackB, ch3 to trackC, etc…

    Advanced midi settings only show hardware outputs as options… how do I send midi from one track to multiple another tracks by channel?

    Or a simple example using just stock Zenbeats stuff… How would I send the arpeggio from one track to three other tracks?

    (Edit) It appears that Zenbeats can “see” AUM as a midi source. Do I need to use AUM for more advanced midi stuff? If so… It would be SUPER useful if Zenbeats was at least IAA.

  • edited March 9

    Wasn't following ZB updates for a while .. Is that bug with broken transients in drums and audio track / sampler already fixed ? I totally stopped my evaluation of ZB at that point, wondering if this was corrected meanwhile ....

  • edited March 10

    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackA to go to TrackB
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    "Zenbeats arp"?
    I'd like to test, but I don't understand.

  • wimwim
    edited March 10

    @MonkeyDrummer - did you mean you're trying to send the iSEM arp out to Track B? The iSEM AUv3 arp doesn't send out midi, so no host could do that.

  • @wim said:
    @MonkeyDrummer - did you mean you're trying to send the iSEM arp out to Track B? The iSEM AUv3 arp doesn't send out midi, so no host could do that.

    No…
    Zenbeats has a built in midifx arpeggio plugin. I’m using that to eliminate any issues with 3rd party stuff…

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @wim said:
    @MonkeyDrummer - did you mean you're trying to send the iSEM arp out to Track B? The iSEM AUv3 arp doesn't send out midi, so no host could do that.

    No…
    Zenbeats has a built in midifx arpeggio plugin. I’m using that to eliminate any issues with 3rd party stuff…

    Ahh. I didn't know that plugin existed.
    Anyway, in my tests, you're correct, midi from AU Midi plugins doesn't appear to pass between tracks. If you select the "Print MIDI FX" option, you can print the output to the existing track though.

  • @MonkeyDrummer - You may want to try a workaround for the routing goal you had earlier. Start up the free Streambyter plugin standalone outside of Zenbeats. Now route your AUv3 Midi FX track out to Streambyter. Then set streambyter as the midi input for any tracks you want to drive from the original. You may have to "print" the midi first.

    Sorry, going from memory here. I meant to test this all the way through before posting but ran out of time.

  • @dendy said:
    Wasn't following ZB updates for a while .. Is that bug with broken transients in drums and audio track / sampler already fixed ? I totally stopped my evaluation of ZB at that point, wondering if this was corrected meanwhile ....

    Not yet.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

  • wimwim
    edited March 10

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

    That's correct. It's not possible.

  • @wim said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

    That's correct. It's not possible.

    Man…Zenbeats has some really amazing features, and at the same time some really big misses…
    The lack of pinch zoom/scroll is a pita
    And it REALLY needs audio and midi busses if it wants to be more of a real daw and escape the walled garden of the likes of Gadget.

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

  • @wim said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

    That's correct. It's not possible.

    This is true, but you can drag and drop a MIDI clip to an audio track and it will create a bounced audio clip.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

    Isn’t the ZenBeats arpeggio plugin a midi plugin?

    Read my post above. I add it to a midi fx slot in an instrument track but I’m not seeing any option anywhere for a pre/post midi option.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @wim said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

    That's correct. It's not possible.

    This is true, but you can drag and drop a MIDI clip to an audio track and it will create a bounced audio clip.

    I’m not following you… how can an audio track have a midi clip? And if I put a midi clip on an audio track, how does it know what sound to use…? I’m confused…

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @wim said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Next puzzle…
    Is there a way to have an instrument track’s AUDIO output go to an audio track?
    I want to play midi into an instrument track, but have the audio recorded real-time into a separate audio track… Indont want to record the midi and then do a bounce/freeze.
    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t seem possible…

    That's correct. It's not possible.

    This is true, but you can drag and drop a MIDI clip to an audio track and it will create a bounced audio clip.

    I’m not following you… how can an audio track have a midi clip? And if I put a midi clip on an audio track, how does it know what sound to use…? I’m confused…

    Sorry for the confusion. What I meantto say was, if you have an instrument track that has midi clips on it, You can drag and MIDI clips from an instrument track And drop them onto an audio track. Doing this will create a bounce of the instrument's clip and create an audio clip from it

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

    Isn’t the ZenBeats arpeggio plugin a midi plugin?

    Read my post above. I add it to a midi fx slot in an instrument track but I’m not seeing any option anywhere for a pre/post midi option.

    The option should be here and it is called Print MIDI Effects.

    This issue you're describing will still be there as I can confirm we only pass live MIDI and pattern MIDI when routing to other tracks. MIDI effects get ignored. Will log that as task to look at.

  • wimwim
    edited March 11

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    This is true, but you can drag and drop a MIDI clip to an audio track and it will create a bounced audio clip.

    I did not know that. That's really cool. 😎

    I don't think it addresses the need in the case in question though. I think they want a live performance take including knob tweaks 'n stuff to be recorded, and not to be limited by having to record to a midi clip and then freeze.

    I'd do something like that using Loopy Pro as an FX on the channel. But then there's the hassle of saving the Loopy clip to a file and importing it to Zenbeats. That would be easier if system or audio clipboard copy and paste were supported for audio track clips.

    Anyway, I love the drag and drop MIDI clip to audio track trick. 👍🏼

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

    Isn’t the ZenBeats arpeggio plugin a midi plugin?

    Read my post above. I add it to a midi fx slot in an instrument track but I’m not seeing any option anywhere for a pre/post midi option.

    The option should be here and it is called Print MIDI Effects.

    This issue you're describing will still be there as I can confirm we only pass live MIDI and pattern MIDI when routing to other tracks. MIDI effects get ignored. Will log that as task to look at.

    Ok, thanks for the info.

    So it sounds like the scenario of sending the same midifx arpeggio midi from one track to multiple tracks is just not possible right now. That’s fine, I just want to make sure I’m not missing anything…

  • Next question… how do you bring in midi files?
    There’s a few options in the main menu that involve importing, but they are blank.
    Can’t share with ZB from other apps or Files
    Tried saving a midi file in the MidiPattern folder under Zenbeats in Files…
    Nothing works and I can’t find any docs or tutorials on importing midi.

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

    Isn’t the ZenBeats arpeggio plugin a midi plugin?

    Read my post above. I add it to a midi fx slot in an instrument track but I’m not seeing any option anywhere for a pre/post midi option.

    The option should be here and it is called Print MIDI Effects.

    This issue you're describing will still be there as I can confirm we only pass live MIDI and pattern MIDI when routing to other tracks. MIDI effects get ignored. Will log that as task to look at.

    Ok, thanks for the info.

    So it sounds like the scenario of sending the same midifx arpeggio midi from one track to multiple tracks is just not possible right now. That’s fine, I just want to make sure I’m not missing anything…

    It's possible if you send output to Streambyter standalone, then set the other tracks to receive from Streambyter.

  • @wim said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    This is so frustrating…
    I put iSEM on a track A
    I put the Zenbeats arp on a track B
    Set up midi on trackB to go to TrackA
    Play keyboard into trackB
    The arp doesn’t get triggered and just the individual keyboard presses go from trackB to TrackA
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Why is this not working? I’ve seen posts that mention pre or post send midi fx but I’m not seeing that option anywhere…

    The Pre and Post options will only show up on tracks that have MIDI Plugins inserted. What exactly are you trying to achieve. Describe it here in detail and I do my best to help!

    Isn’t the ZenBeats arpeggio plugin a midi plugin?

    Read my post above. I add it to a midi fx slot in an instrument track but I’m not seeing any option anywhere for a pre/post midi option.

    The option should be here and it is called Print MIDI Effects.

    This issue you're describing will still be there as I can confirm we only pass live MIDI and pattern MIDI when routing to other tracks. MIDI effects get ignored. Will log that as task to look at.

    Ok, thanks for the info.

    So it sounds like the scenario of sending the same midifx arpeggio midi from one track to multiple tracks is just not possible right now. That’s fine, I just want to make sure I’m not missing anything…

    It's possible if you send output to Streambyter standalone, then set the other tracks to receive from Streambyter.

    Yea, same idea as using AUM as an intermediary… But pretty much sucks in practice as timing is impossible as there’s not even Link support…

    I REALLY REALLY want to love Zenbeats because all my hardware is Roland, I love the sounds, etc. but man… Zenbeats kinda sucks… Hit UX limits/roadblocks almost immediately. Some aspects of the app are pretty good for touch but zooming and panning are eye-gougingly painful. Interface elements that are related or used in sequence are scattered all over the screen.

    Based on tutorial video it /seemed/ ZB was gonna be awesome. But after giving it an honest try, I now see why there’s so little content on it other that obviously paid “influencer” videos from the launch and version upgrades.

    It seems that Zenbeats is good as long as you stay within its VERY narrow capabilities window. But if I’m going to have to stick to a walled garden, Gadget seems like a better more polished option.

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