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Lumbeat apps - yet another issue - IAA and bluetooth

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  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    @pax-eterna - Maybe try going to iOS Settings > AUM to be sure that Bluetooth, Local Network, and Microphone permissions are enabled for AUM on both iPads.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @wim said:
    @pax-eterna - Maybe try going to iOS Settings > AUM to be sure that Bluetooth, Local Network, and Microphone permissions are enabled for AUM on both iPads.

    Good thought. That would explain a lot.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @wim said:
    I'm stumped. It makes no sense, if you've followed all steps, that both the Blueboard and the other iPad aren't able to connect. One or the other should work, provided Bluetooth is enabled on both the devices. I'm going to assume that's the case and that you're not in Airplane Mode or anything.

    TBH, the only thing I can think of that would cause that is if Bluetooth was off on the iPad you're trying to connect to. But then you wouldn't be able to work with the Blueboard app. So weird!

    You don't have the Blueboard app running, do you? Maybe that's interfering in some way.

    nope that app is definitely off. Bluetooth is on on both.> @espiegel123 said:

    Let me see if I understand, are all the following true?:

    • you cannot advertise one of your idevices and see it from the other
    • You cannot connect to your Blueboard from either device except through the Blueboard app
    • You can connect to the Blueboard on both devices using the app

    correct
    correct
    correct

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

  • espiegel123espiegel123
    edited June 2022

    @pax-eterna said:
    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

    EDIT
    You need to tap in the Blueboard and then it will connect. That dialog is where you make the connection between the device and the Blueboard. The device won't connect on its own.

    If this doesn't solve it, please post screenshots or a screen recording of all the steps you are taking.

    I just noticed you said it says "offline" not "not connected"

    This sounds like a hardware issue -- but that also doesn't make sense because you said you are able to use it with the iRig Blueboard software.

  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    @pax-eterna said:
    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

    I don't think tapping on an Offline device will make it connect as suggested above. If a device is available to connect to, it's highlighted and the status is Not Connected.

    This is why, if you've followed all the other steps and Bluetooth is definitely on, that I strongly suspect you need to go to iOS Settings > AUM, and be sure that Bluetooth permission is switched on. Network and Microphone permissions must be on too.

    Please let us know if you've checked that on both devices.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @wim said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

    I don't think tapping on an Offline device will make it connect as suggested above. If a device is available to connect to, it's highlighted and the status is Not Connected.

    This is why, if you've followed all the other steps and Bluetooth is definitely on, that I strongly suspect you need to go to iOS Settings > AUM, and be sure that Bluetooth permission is switched on. Network and Microphone permissions must be on too.

    Please let us know if you've checked that on both devices.

    I guess you posted before I edited my original post.

  • wimwim

    @espiegel123 said:

    @wim said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

    I don't think tapping on an Offline device will make it connect as suggested above. If a device is available to connect to, it's highlighted and the status is Not Connected.

    This is why, if you've followed all the other steps and Bluetooth is definitely on, that I strongly suspect you need to go to iOS Settings > AUM, and be sure that Bluetooth permission is switched on. Network and Microphone permissions must be on too.

    Please let us know if you've checked that on both devices.

    I guess you posted before I edited my original post.

    Sorry about that.
    Until we hear back about Bluetooth, Network, and Microphone access, I'm out of ideas. I don't think it's hardware because he can connect with the Blueboard app, which I assume has permissions. But ... we'll see.

  • wimwim

    @pax-eterna is going to have to change their handle to @pugna-eterna as regards iOS at this rate. :D

  • des1303des1303

    Can the kind gurus here suggest some resources (book, blog, youtube) that give a good introduction / tutorial on all the terminology flying around in this discussion? I'm happy to put in the time, Google led me nowhere useful. Thanks!

  • wimwim

    @des1303 said:
    Can the kind gurus here suggest some resources (book, blog, youtube) that give a good introduction / tutorial on all the terminology flying around in this discussion? I'm happy to put in the time, Google led me nowhere useful. Thanks!

    We've covered a lot of ground here. There's not likely to be just one tidy resource. Maybe starting a thread to ask about any specific terms that aren't clear would be best.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @des1303 said:
    Can the kind gurus here suggest some resources (book, blog, youtube) that give a good introduction / tutorial on all the terminology flying around in this discussion? I'm happy to put in the time, Google led me nowhere useful. Thanks!

    which terminology was unclear?

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    Oh and I got the iPads to finally see each other, but under the Network MIDI tab, not under Bluetooth. Still didn't work though, I couldn't select a setting in Soft drummer (or any of them) using the MSB/LSB PC messages from the external iPad.

    I've decided to create dummy entries with only the MIDI data in the chart app on the iPad mini...means I'll need to run two versions of Unrealbook )one on each iPad) , then > @wim said:

    @pax-eterna is going to have to change their handle to @pugna-eterna as regards iOS at this rate. :D

    hahaha!

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @wim said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    In AUM, under the Bluetooth MIDI devices the blueboard is there but marked as Offline.

    I don't think tapping on an Offline device will make it connect as suggested above. If a device is available to connect to, it's highlighted and the status is Not Connected.

    This is why, if you've followed all the other steps and Bluetooth is definitely on, that I strongly suspect you need to go to iOS Settings > AUM, and be sure that Bluetooth permission is switched on. Network and Microphone permissions must be on too.

    Please let us know if you've checked that on both devices.

    I'll check that now...pretty sure its already ok, but just did an OS update and it might have got changed (it usually doesn't with updates, but it is a weird issue!!)

  • pax-eternapax-eterna
    edited June 2022

    Bloody hell, that was it! Yes the bluetooth permissions were off...that has never happened with an OS update before...lesson learned - it will be one to check from now on. Might need to check on my other apps that need it as well!

  • wimwim

    Whew! So glad we got that one sorted. It was driving me nuts. :D

    Now ... what's next? ;)

  • wimwim

    P.S. You don't need the Blueboard app running, and probably shouldn't run it if using in BLE Midi mode.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @wim said:
    Whew! So glad we got that one sorted. It was driving me nuts. :D

    Now ... what's next? ;)

    hahaha! gardening I reckon! The iPads now both connect as well :)

    Thanks heaps to you and espiegel ....funny how sometimes the simplest things take the longest to sort!

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @wim said:
    P.S. You don't need the Blueboard app running, and probably shouldn't run it if using in BLE Midi mode.

    Yes, now that I have discovered it works without it I'll not be using it anymore!

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Glad it finally got worked out.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna
    edited June 2022

    So now I have my main iPad changing banks rhythms and sounds in SD, I can select songs in AUM via the same method (just on a different channel) however the bluebowrd is not affecting SD...it is connected AUM has it listed as connected and on the routing grid I have it going to SD, however nothing is happening... I get the small light flash next to the BB icon in the grid so I know the button pushes are working there.

    So obviously the hookup is wrong...what would be the correct "wiring" so to speak? The input from my iPad to AUM is to select AUM sessions, the other is obviously to SD haha!

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Route a copy of the signals that aren’t working to Streambyter loaded as an AU and use it as a midi monitor to see what is being sent.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @espiegel123 said:
    Route a copy of the signals that aren’t working to Streambyter loaded as an AU and use it as a midi monitor to see what is being sent.

    ok I'll obtain the app. Will it work as monitor without using any setups, essentially o.o.t.b.?

  • pax-eternapax-eterna
    edited June 2022

    all i get is a blank screen in Streambyter? got it loaded to a channel in AUM...

    ok, got it figured! haha press enough buttons and you eventually get there :smile:

    so it was sending note data not CC data...had to change to mode 2 (button C) but not sure it's going to work as the BB switches are momentary, not toggle in mode 2, need to hold them down to keep a particular SD function running - eg: the ride (after pressing fill to ride).

    Went back to note mode (button B) and changed Lumbeat over to notes instead of CC's, all works :)

  • wimwim

    One possibility is the mapping is wrong in SD due to different octave naming. Hopefully the streambyter monitor will provide a clue, but may have the same difference in octave naming. One thing to try is going up or down an octave in SD.

    If you can't get it working, then maybe post a screenshot of the mapping screen in SD. Also, make sure that SD is set not to listen to AUM or the Blueboard. (Or, route to AUM Source instead and set SD to listen to AUM)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @wim said:
    One possibility is the mapping is wrong in SD due to different octave naming. Hopefully the streambyter monitor will provide a clue, but may have the same difference in octave naming. One thing to try is going up or down an octave in SD.

    If you can't get it working, then maybe post a screenshot of the mapping screen in SD. Also, make sure that SD is set not to listen to AUM or the Blueboard. (Or, route to AUM Source instead and set SD to listen to AUM)

    FWIW, what SD calls G2 is called G3 in AUM and is MIDI note num 55.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna
    edited June 2022

    thanks, yeah got it all working - as I wrote above, just changed BB over to notes, changed Lumbeat MIDI page back to notes, and all good!
    So can now:
    select AUM sessions from the external iPad, which will set the tempo for the song/beat
    select bank rhythm and sound in the drum app from external iPad which sets drumapp for correct kit and rhythm
    control the drum app from the footswitch

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