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@theinfinate Thanks! The SP404 is acting as the interface for the iPad, MIDI out from MPC to SP. The MC-101 is running audio through the SP, and USB MIDI through MPC. Launchkey Mini is USB to iPad and MIDI to MPC so I can control everything. And of course audio out of SP into MPC.
Running Ableton link so when I hit play on MPC, everything starts.
This is an interesting combination, has anyone tried it with other equipment, I’m going to probably give it try next week with my IConnect MIDI4+ it should perform as in the video, I think.
I personally only use the One as a sampler. Ipad has it beat when it comes to synths. But the connectivity and interfacing of the current MPCs is far above ipads. Much much much easier to integrate into a studio set up.
I think it wouldn’t work with the MIDI4+ simply because it lack’s a Audio interface, the MPC at this time only a single audio input/output either internal or external not both is supported.
if you connect a midi interface , MPC will still use the internal audio interface
is there any reason buying the Midi4+ ? you can simply use a cheap usb midi interface on your iPad and connect it to the physical midi ports on MPC
edit , missed the part you already have Midi4+
Afaik the Midi4+ does the same audio software channels as the iCA4+, so it can route any synth, sample, fx sound.
It just cannot handle (own) external audio in/out, but it can access the MPC‘s hardware ports via the software channels.
True but the MPC only allows selection of a single audio device, so whilst it would pass audio between device’s I don’t think you could monitor it, similar with an iPad, no aggregate audio. I think in the video the guy uses the 4C as an output streaming 4 usb audio channels from the Maschine to the MPC then MPC main outs are the 4C’s outs.
But he was all about an 8-channel audio exchange permanently in the clip, and didn‘t mention any cabling but USB.
I never thought about the iCA‘s architecture in depth, but it looks like the interface represents a class compliant device of 20 channels (10stereo). The audio version then maps the hardware io onto these ports, which is transparent from the OS pov.
Routing is done within the interface design, hence the good low latency performance and compatibility (even with the Linux based MPC).
My only complaint about the video: he didn‘t switch ports to verify that the (occasional) failure of port 2 wasn‘t influenced by the kind of device connected.
Curious to hear the advantages of your final decision
The current gen is far from underpowered ...
I though Midi4+ didn't support audio at all , but maybe there is a workaround ,using AB3 that supports using the builtin iPad's line out (unfortunately only for iOS devices that have line-out)
No workaround needed... quoted from the iCA website
I guess at the end it all boils out to what works best for you. Akai Force looks good on paper but I could not find too many inspiring sounds among the thousand presets it offers. Ergonomics, speed of creation on other machines is way below what iOS offers. Just my personal opinion, but that’s what you asked for.
And Maschine Plus has really nice pads which I love (and quite cool workflow), so I have kept it
But still nothing beats the simplicity and easiness of just chilling on the couch with an iPad mini, launching Cubasis or NS2 and creating something good.
Cheers
@theinfinate
… Why the sp404 when they’re a Koala and Beatmaker 3 though?
@thatguysmitty : I’m leery of just two gigabytes of RAM though without streaming (Force ) which they’ve remedied in the key 61 by implementing 4 gig instead . And I’m underwhelmed by the Fabric XL sounds . I’ve decided to opt for an Arturia Keystep Pro for sequencing as I’m confident that @ikmultimedia will be adding Auv3 to Sampletank iOS in the future. When they do that , it’ll be all over . Now if they added some more RAM to the ONE I might reconsider . But that’s coming , for sure
Let’s not forget about Yamaha Montage and MODX.. Both class compliant .. Great for iOS .
ok , it passes audio , but from which device you can hear it ?
I easily get distracted so on the iPad instead of making music I'm watching app videos, looking at Appsliced app sales, or trying Drambo and miRack patches from Patchstorage, etc. Good for kick-starting track ideas, but easy to get lost experimenting.
On the Akai there are still distractions like all the new features to learn, but it really has been a GAS killer for me. I used to have a big studio with every type of synthesis available in hardware and Eurorack, but that's too costly and overwhelming nowadays so an Akai as master sequencer and sampler plus a laptop and iPad as multitimbral sound modules is all I need.
I still love making stems in AUM, NS2, BM3, iDensity, Moebius Lab, Soundscaper, etc. to export to the Akai. Plus lots of AUv3 synths to autosample on the Akai. The iPad is a great experimental laboratory and also sample fodder maker as is Reaktor, VCV Rack, Spectralayers, Melodyne, Ircam TS, etc. on the laptop.
But I could just use the Akai and my sample library. There's enough sample mangling and automation (Macros) in the Akai to make things interesting to fulfill my experimental side. I use the Force btw, not the MPC One.
I’ve messed with the MPC a bit and have owned many grooveboxes, but so far nothing quite compares to an iPad and a midi controller, especially something like the Akai mpk mini that had keys and drum pads. It just works best for me.
From the iPad‘s internal output (the virtual channels aren‘t output destinations).
Dunno if this applies to the MPC, too, but on the Apple side it‘s a standard feature.
Honestly it's the first time I've heard that , still I don't think it's possible to route on any app channels from different devices (only on AB3 but as special feature)
For example if you open AUM with a usb audio device connected there is no option to route the audio to other device , what I'm missing here ?
You can just plugin something in the headphone out and it switches automatically from IF to headphones (I just did that to verify).
I assume this works with headphone equivalents of modern iPads, too.
OMG, didn't know that, thanks for the tip
I just plugged a usb interface and then plugged the headphones
In AUM it seems you can get sound from usb input and monitor from the headphones connected to the iPad
The problem is when you want to send from an iPad app to the usb port , you can't because when you unplug the headphone ,although the USB out will be available , there is no way to hear the sound on the Midi4+ (nor MPC)
only workaround seems AB3 (enabling the multi-route option)
Yes, that could be tricky (I don‘t have a Midi4+ myself).
The video is another example for the versatility of the iCA4+ and verifies that the old iConfig still works on modern versions of the interface.
It can literally be summed up to this…
(i own the force btw)
Do you want tactile feel, real pads with velocity, and super tight integrated control? Hardware (mpc/force)
Do you want better timestretch and effects and a better engine? BM3 on iOS
[you can get tactile control for iOS…but you will not get quite the same experience as the actual hardware]
It really is that easy.
I’d love to have that sp404mkii woooo yes…but can’t do it at the moment…still paying for iridium.