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[about Cubasis 3]
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Launch day.
Cubasis 2 still works.
Cubasis 3 has not been unstable at all for me, and there has been little talk of problems on the forum for quite some time. Many people here use it regularly. Are you sure the Cubasis 3 version is fully up to date on your device?
Yea everything’s up to date mate, it’s such a bummer. I’ve just downloaded Cubasis 2 and it’s smooth as silk!
Thank god.
I can get on with some work now.
Cubasis 3 works great for me. I have a project with about 30 tracks both midi and audio. Running smooth. Sorry you are having the issues.
Super smooth for me as well on an old 5th Gen 9.7 iPad latest OS.
Maybe because I’m on an M1 Pro ?
I don’t know.. I wish it worked .
Oh well. Cb 2 does the job.
Cheers.
I’ve been using cubasis 3 for about 2 years now and it’s a lot more stable than it used to be.
That said, i can guarantee it will lock up at least once per session, usually with the UI freezing but the track continues to play.
Quite often, I’ll load a project and it sits there failing to load the plugins, sometimes clearing the memory solves it, but most often a reboot is required.
I’ve found it doesn’t matter how large the project is, I’ve had it crash with 8 tracks but despite the occasional hiccup, I’m impressed it will handle 70+ tracks without any further instability.
Although it can get in the way of feeling productive, it’s so quick to kill, restart and carry on. Not ideal, I guess I’ve just got used to it as the benefits outweigh the niggles.
Hah! I just tried to load the project I’m working on and…..
Reboot was required!
Yep, funny but sad in equal measure. True though.
It was a disaster at launch but now is by far the most stable and closest thing to a proper DAW on iPad. I have an iPad 6th Gen and an 11” 2021 M1 Pro, an iPhone 8 and iPhone 12 all running it with only the very occasional slight issue. On the M1 I had a sudden crash last night but the last time that happened was like a month ago and I’m an all day every day user. Tell us some more details about your issues and let’s see what we can do to help
Or better still, tell the Cubasis team:
https://forums.steinberg.net/c/cubasis/7
The initial rollout did not go well, and even in 3.4 they devoted a lot of effort to bugfixes:
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/cubasis-3-4-adding-ableton-link-support-and-more-is-available/764677
But hopefully we'll get another point release this year, and I hope they'll continue to focus on stability and bug squashing. Gotta tell them what to fix though!
I'm keeping a small list of features I wish Cubasis would get but I have a strange feeling we'll get Logic for iPad before we get those in Cubasis...
Sample things like sample accurate audio-file editing, optional snap to zero-crossing when moving region start/end to avoid clicks, cross-fade between overlapping audio-events, positive & negative clip-gain which could be used for non-destructive clip-normalize, standard iOS drag'n'drop support of audio and midi from Cubasis to/from other apps including Files.app, non destructive on-the fly per clip midi-quantize, sampler-track, time-signature automation, chord tracks, audio & midi event-loop (no, copy & paste is not the answer to this), step-sequencer for drums and other sounds etc. etc. etc. etc.
Then again maybe I'll just stick to using Logic on my MacMini...
My wishlist for Cubasis would be almost entirely UI and interaction changes. The functionality of Cubasis with the ease of use of NS2 would be amazing, but like @Samu I think we'll see Logic on iPads before that happens.
Another 'thing' that annoys the heck out of me is the 'non-standard' UI gestures...
...try doing a vertical or diagonal pinch zoom in/out in the arranger over multiple tracks for a bit unexpected results.
(Same goes for the note editor, it doesn't zoom to the note/area where I started the pitch gesture, with properly implemented diagonal pitch zoom I could zoom out the note to fill almost the entire screen for extreme precision when moving it later on).
We still can't draw velocity values for a 'selection' of notes as editing/drawing velocities at the bottom part where the draw tools are available do not respect the current selection but instead edits velocities for all the notes on the location where velocity is drawn, like seriously. So if you have a beat going and want to ramp up the velocity on a snare-roll you have to copy them to another track, draw the velocities there and copy back the notes...
And don't get me started on the toolbar on the left side where you tap'n'hold on a tool and swipe on the note-area, meaning you HAVE to use both hands to adjust the notes position, velocity etc. Thank GOD I still have both my hands but I know people who simple can't use Cubasis with the way it's currently designed...(They are back to GarageBand which does work incredibly well despite it's limitations).
Even Steinbergs very own Dorico for iPad had superseded the 'Flagship' Cubasis (Titanic?) when it comes to Apple Pencil integration and considering the issues they have with the Android version it's most likely eating up development resources from the iOS version even if they will likely never admit that.
Ok, end of rant for now but it's not mid 90s it's mid 2022...
But yeah, for now I'm just looking forward to iPadOS16
Cheers!
This is my one usability gripe within Cubasis 3 - again I have use of both hands yet it's still the most frustrating part of the interface for me which gets my blood boiling every time I have to go in and tidy up the MIDI notes. I can only assume that nobody at Steinberg ever goes into the midi roll editor.
Oh and why it doesn't have 6/8 as a time signature option is beyond me. I can work around it, but I really shouldn't have to as it's one of the most standard time signatures out there.
But fixing the MIDI editor would make me far more productive. NS2 nailed this aspect and that's a sole developer, not a team within a big company!
I honestly don't believe Steinberg have any interaction designers. Almost every interaction possible in Cubasis is worse than it should be, and nearly all of them feel like they're built by a dev from a poorly written Jira ticket. It's a shame, as the capabilities of the app are very good, it just takes so long to do anything in it.
I don’t think you can call it the most stable when you have AUM and NS2.
Thread title seems overly dramatic. Sounds like CB3 is an unusable buggy mess for 1 person. CB3 runs fine here on an ancient Air 2
Neither of those are DAWs
Yeah, but when you start to push it on a faster device (11" M1 iPadPro) it doesn't take long before it starts to take a trip south before the CPU is even close to maxing out...
Yesterday evening I had 10+ crashes within 30 minutes messing around with plug-ins & freezing tracks so I decided to bring up an old friend (BM3) and It kept on running for 2+ hours without a single crash for a similar use-case...
(I've set the iPad to share crashlogs with the developers so I hope they catch them).
Cubasis runs ok on the Air 2 but you can't really really push it far before it starts crawl
But I agree, it's a 'Drama Topic' but also highlights that there's plenty of room for improvement...
Cheers!
A grand debate to be had down the pub, to be sure! (If I still drank…)
Whilst I’ve spent a lot of time trying to use AUM as a DAW, and made videos about it, it isn’t one. And, it isn’t capable of handling as many AUV3’s as Cubasis 3 is since Steinberg fixed up the multi-core processing. That was a real shocker for me - Cubasis 3 leaving AUM in the dust. NS2 has so many cool features but, no audio - it’s only half a DAW. No good to me.
I'm back to Logic on my Mac for DAW duties even though I've got a new 11" M1 iPadPro...
...It's 2022 not late 90s (When/If Logic drops for iPad I'll say bye bye to Cubasis for good).
I started with Cubasis Score on a Mac long, long time ago and it's really sad to see that the midi editing-capabilities in a 'state of the art' iPad DAW are still eons behind what I had in mid 90s and same goes for the audio-editing (I updated to Cubase Score Audio/VST when it dropped). That old version had better audio-ending capabilities than what we have in Cubasis today...
Don't know what Steinberg is cooking up for Cubasis 3.5 but at this point it feels like putting makeup on a pig...
...they have almost systematically ignored the basic request for over 4 years now always referring to cost of implementation...
...that 'cost' will sooner or later lead to decrease in sales if they don't do something about it!
Oh well, it is what it is...
...next thing I look forward to is iPadOS16
Cheers!
😂🤣
It’s tough feedback, but I agree. I continue to purchase it for support. But can’t use it as the UX seems at war with me
Vertical/Diagonal pinch-zoom in the arranger and midi-editors makes my blood boil every-time...
But yes, I too do get the IAPs to show my continued support but the tolerance limit is nearing the same level as with Korg and their Module IAPs where I simply conclude. No more of this BS...
iOS 13.6 is the last time it worked reliably for me. 13.7 was pretty much the death of my iPad only music making.
Still smooth for me, I get a crash about once a month or so tops and it's always caused by a 3rd party auv3. Make music with it every day and live on the channel every wednesday.
I’m shocked to read this Sam. You now have the same iPad as me but you’re not having a good experience with Cubasis 3. For me though, I’m having an amazing experience with this setup. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that on the M1 beats the crap out of every other iPad DAW, and AUM. But you’re a smart guy and you always speak no nonsense truth. I suppose it just goes to show that different musicians will have very different experiences with software because they use different aspects of it. I had a crash the other day which shocked me, I mean I use it pretty much every day and it has been months since the last one. I’ll say you’re right about the pinch and the midi quirks though but they don’t affect me that much. One thing I’ve reported a few times though that does irritate me is when I place my transport bar where I want to make an edit then click on the midi - the transport bar in the midi is not where I placed it. But if I press play and stop it jumps into place so I just do that. It is also true that the most popular requests since Cubasis 2 days have still not been implemented. I don’t quite understand but considering what a heavyweight disappointment the app was when it first appeared I guess they’ve had a lot of work to do. When I’m in the studio though, I’ve got Cubase 12 Pro, Komplete and a bunch of Nembrini and IK stuff etc.. but I often just use Cubasis 3. Unless I need to mix down to mono or implement a tempo change of course!