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4 Pockets Progressions App

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  • Love this!

    Works great on iphone as noted, just wish you could move the song window a little more out of the way to get to the different chords to select but this is a minor and not a problem on my ipad :)

  • edited July 2022

    @HotStrange said:
    I probably don’t need it but will probably buy it just to support Paul because I love his apps so much. Are there any big differences between Scaler 2 and Tonality?

    Big… maybe. There is a difference but not sure how to quantify it. Two on my favorite midi apps. Tonality comes with 4 AU’s inside, plus an entire music theory library for piano and guitar. There are a few similarities, like chord detection, scale detection, etc… but to try to boil it down, instead of writing a dissertation, lol, Tonality is better for playing midi live or playing it and recording the midi, where S2 is better for setting up patterns, in progressions and then sequencing the chords. At least that’s my opinion but haven’t finished digging into scaler 2, there’s so much. Sound for More on YouTube is up to tutorial like 19 or something. Covering all of the various features. Tonality has a lot to offer as well though…

  • @Spud said:
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but can someone explain why the first note generated is the first inversion rather than root position? App seems great on first play too. Very easy to navigate.

    He probably does this so you can turn on bass and add the root without having 2 roots in total.

  • @McD said:

    @Spud said:
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but can someone explain why the first note generated is the first inversion rather than root position? App seems great on first play too. Very easy to navigate.

    He probably does this so you can turn on bass and add the root without having 2 roots in total.

    That would make sense.

    I think it could do with a pdf version of the help manual… trying to access it on the iPhone is a challenge.

  • Theory driven chord binding performance buttons FTW.. I hope more AUv3 instruments try their own take on this. Desktop with mouse can’t beat this.

  • Bugreport: when there's a Empty bar in a Song, the app crashes when playing the Song and the Song Sequenser reaches that Empty bar! In AUM and in Standalone mode. (iPad Pro 10.5, latest IOS).

  • @Harro said:
    Bugreport: when there's a Empty bar in a Song, the app crashes when playing the Song and the Song Sequenser reaches that Empty bar! In AUM and in Standalone mode. (iPad Pro 10.5, latest IOS).

    Best report directly to dev - don't think he checks here

  • Works inside Logic Pro. Interesting app - needs some further development in one or two areas but has potential.

  • @Harro said:
    Bugreport: when there's a Empty bar in a Song, the app crashes when playing the Song and the Song Sequenser reaches that Empty bar! In AUM and in Standalone mode. (iPad Pro 10.5, latest IOS).

    Official support email: support @ 4pockets.com

  • Another banger from 4P

  • Lovin’ it so far. One problem I have encountered and it is no doubt me doing it wrong. I am trying to alter the voicing, I believe I need to swipe upwards on a pad, but when I do that nothing happens, I must be doing something wrong since when I down swipe I can replace the chord.
    Any help would be cool thanks.

  • @Toastedghost said:
    Lovin’ it so far. One problem I have encountered and it is no doubt me doing it wrong. I am trying to alter the voicing, I believe I need to swipe upwards on a pad, but when I do that nothing happens, I must be doing something wrong since when I down swipe I can replace the chord.
    Any help would be cool thanks.

    Found it! You have to be in chord edit, then you can alter voicing.

  • What a treat to find this today! I'm discovering new paths already.

  • edited July 2022

    Update out already some nice midi, sync and AUM colour additions which are really cool with more multi out apps did this.

  • Does anyone know how to get multi-outs working in AUM? I'd like to have all the things going at once - bass line, chords, arps, and send them to different instruments.

    I can get it to send them to different ports/channels in AUM via one instance of the app, but as soon as you switch from chords to arp, for example, you just get that.

    I was hoping it was going to be a 'all at once' thing, like Scaler...

  • Only used this quickly with generate, and within a few minutes have got something going
    I think this might be a keeper
    Only been using on the phone so far, looking forward to trying this on iPad with scaler 2

  • Any tips are appreciated

  • @monz0id said:
    Does anyone know how to get multi-outs working in AUM? I'd like to have all the things going at once - bass line, chords, arps, and send them to different instruments.

    I can get it to send them to different ports/channels in AUM via one instance of the app, but as soon as you switch from chords to arp, for example, you just get that.

    I was hoping it was going to be a 'all at once' thing, like Scaler...

    I have only skimmed the manual so there may be a more elegant solution - but one obvious hack is to generate a progression you like, then use the new(ish) copy and paste function in AUM to make several copies of the same instance (long press on the Progressions icon, select it, long press on an empty midi node, choose 'copy') and then use them simultaneously in whichever mode u like (remember to choose sync to host button in all the instances)

  • edited July 2022

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:
    Does anyone know how to get multi-outs working in AUM? I'd like to have all the things going at once - bass line, chords, arps, and send them to different instruments.

    I can get it to send them to different ports/channels in AUM via one instance of the app, but as soon as you switch from chords to arp, for example, you just get that.

    I was hoping it was going to be a 'all at once' thing, like Scaler...

    I have only skimmed the manual so there may be a more elegant solution - but one obvious hack is to generate a progression you like, then use the new(ish) copy and paste function in AUM to make several copies of the same instance (long press on the Progressions icon, select it, long press on an empty midi node, choose 'copy') and then use them simultaneously in whichever mode u like (remember to choose sync to host button in all the instances)

    Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I just tried something similar (created the new instance manually). The sync worked in copying the initial progression across the two instances, but when I changed the root note for the original instance, the second version didn't update so they were playing two different chord progressions. I was hoping they'd stay in sync.

    I'm not sure if I'm missing something obvious, or I'm expecting too much from the app, but I was hoping to be able to create a chord sequence, with an arp/melody line on top, that could be tweaked live.

    I'm starting to think I would have been better off shelling out for Scaler 2, but I prefer the 4Pockets interface.

  • Sure they wouldn't stay in sync by the above method. Have u read the manual yet? May be a solution in there.

    On a separate note, would someone mind posting a direct link to the paper by David Collett related to the app? The link is in the manual, but my ipad is on the blink again so I can't access it. Thnx

  • @Gavinski said:
    Sure they wouldn't stay in sync by the above method. Have u read the manual yet? May be a solution in there.

    Yeah I've read the manual, watched the vid.

    I can create a song using two separate instances of the app, by using 'sync', which basically copies across the settings from instance 1, to instance 2, and keeps them in time.

    I can then tweak the song settings in instance 2 (for example changing the open chord to produce an arp or strum), and output that to a separate app/channel.

    But any changes you make in instance 1 (e.g. changing a chord) aren't carried across to instance 2, so the sync part is limited to timing only, and if I then apply the sync manually, it resets all the changes I've made in instance 2 (e.g. assigning an arp).

    What would be great is if we could assign multiple modes to a chord in the song (e.g. open chord, plus arp) and then when the modes are routed out to channels in AUM (via the main settings editor), we could hear both elements playing. So the open chords being played via a piano app, and arp/strums played via a guitar. This would also avoid having to mess about with multiple instances.

    Desperately need a proper tutorial on this, as the above may be possible via the existing two output sections - though I've yet to find a way to do it!

  • Would love to hear more creations with this. I don’t quite understand the freedom parameter; is it meant to produce more atonal music, or is it more in the territory of borrowing chords and modulation?

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Sure they wouldn't stay in sync by the above method. Have u read the manual yet? May be a solution in there.

    Yeah I've read the manual, watched the vid.

    I can create a song using two separate instances of the app, by using 'sync', which basically copies across the settings from instance 1, to instance 2, and keeps them in time.

    I can then tweak the song settings in instance 2 (for example changing the open chord to produce an arp or strum), and output that to a separate app/channel.

    But any changes you make in instance 1 (e.g. changing a chord) aren't carried across to instance 2, so the sync part is limited to timing only, and if I then apply the sync manually, it resets all the changes I've made in instance 2 (e.g. assigning an arp).

    What would be great is if we could assign multiple modes to a chord in the song (e.g. open chord, plus arp) and then when the modes are routed out to channels in AUM (via the main settings editor), we could hear both elements playing. So the open chords being played via a piano app, and arp/strums played via a guitar. This would also avoid having to mess about with multiple instances.

    Desperately need a proper tutorial on this, as the above may be possible via the existing two output sections - though I've yet to find a way to do it!

    Having a hard time following, as I have not gotten that deep into the app.. But the Sync Instance feature, I did not see this menu mentioned (from setting/Sync Instances)..

  • @RajahP said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Sure they wouldn't stay in sync by the above method. Have u read the manual yet? May be a solution in there.

    Yeah I've read the manual, watched the vid.

    I can create a song using two separate instances of the app, by using 'sync', which basically copies across the settings from instance 1, to instance 2, and keeps them in time.

    I can then tweak the song settings in instance 2 (for example changing the open chord to produce an arp or strum), and output that to a separate app/channel.

    But any changes you make in instance 1 (e.g. changing a chord) aren't carried across to instance 2, so the sync part is limited to timing only, and if I then apply the sync manually, it resets all the changes I've made in instance 2 (e.g. assigning an arp).

    What would be great is if we could assign multiple modes to a chord in the song (e.g. open chord, plus arp) and then when the modes are routed out to channels in AUM (via the main settings editor), we could hear both elements playing. So the open chords being played via a piano app, and arp/strums played via a guitar. This would also avoid having to mess about with multiple instances.

    Desperately need a proper tutorial on this, as the above may be possible via the existing two output sections - though I've yet to find a way to do it!

    Having a hard time following, as I have not gotten that deep into the app.. But the Sync Instance feature, I did not see this menu mentioned (from setting/Sync Instances)..

    Thanks, no I hadn't discovered that one, useful for excluding instances from changes.

    Still need to find a way to be able to edit the song on instance 1, and apply (either manually or better still automatically) that to other instances without wiping out their other settings. There's an option for 'Song', in the Sync opo-up, but selecting that still wipes out my strum/arp settings. Wondering if this is a bug...

  • edited July 2022

    Is it possible to play the chords by incoming notes? Only getting straight midi through here when input selection is on or is there more to that?
    Edit: found @midi control on!

  • @sambo said:
    Works inside Logic Pro. Interesting app - needs some further development in one or two areas but has potential.

    Curious how you loaded this onto your Mac? It doesn't show up when I search for it in the App Store.

  • @sch - purchase on ipad store - then can find on Mac App Store - under iphone and ipad apps. Not sure if an M1 mac is required.

  • @monz0id said:

    @RajahP said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Sure they wouldn't stay in sync by the above method. Have u read the manual yet? May be a solution in there.

    Yeah I've read the manual, watched the vid.

    I can create a song using two separate instances of the app, by using 'sync', which basically copies across the settings from instance 1, to instance 2, and keeps them in time.

    I can then tweak the song settings in instance 2 (for example changing the open chord to produce an arp or strum), and output that to a separate app/channel.

    But any changes you make in instance 1 (e.g. changing a chord) aren't carried across to instance 2, so the sync part is limited to timing only, and if I then apply the sync manually, it resets all the changes I've made in instance 2 (e.g. assigning an arp).

    What would be great is if we could assign multiple modes to a chord in the song (e.g. open chord, plus arp) and then when the modes are routed out to channels in AUM (via the main settings editor), we could hear both elements playing. So the open chords being played via a piano app, and arp/strums played via a guitar. This would also avoid having to mess about with multiple instances.

    Desperately need a proper tutorial on this, as the above may be possible via the existing two output sections - though I've yet to find a way to do it!

    Having a hard time following, as I have not gotten that deep into the app.. But the Sync Instance feature, I did not see this menu mentioned (from setting/Sync Instances)..

    Thanks, no I hadn't discovered that one, useful for excluding instances from changes.

    Still need to find a way to be able to edit the song on instance 1, and apply (either manually or better still automatically) that to other instances without wiping out their other settings. There's an option for 'Song', in the Sync opo-up, but selecting that still wipes out my strum/arp settings. Wondering if this is a bug...

    Ok.. seems like it should be standard... just might be a 'bug'. Thanks.

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