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ECHO B2 by Guido Scognamiglio

https://apps.apple.com/app/id1640987290

Description:

PLEASE NOTE: This is a AUv3 plugin, use it with a compatible host App.

GSi ECHO B2 is the digital recreation of a particular unit of Binson Echorec mod. T5E that, despite being more than 50 years old, still has its original tubes and has had very little service in the last 30 years. We don't know how this unit sounded when it was new, but this is how it sounds today, in 2022.

The plugin features all controls found on the original unit, plus 4 extra knobs for adjusting the alignment of each head (aka Azimuth on tape machines), one extra knob to slow down the drum motor up to half the normal speed (to obtain doubled delay times) and one last knob to adjust the level of audible circuit hiss.

All parameters can be Midi controllable. All Midi CC numbers can be freely assigned.
Works with all major AUv3 hosts, including Camelot, AUM and Garage Band.
Can be used standalone with an external audio interface.


Details:
Universal: No
Minimum OS version: 9.3
Rated: 0 based on 0 votes

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Comments

  • You can get your Syd Barrett on!

    This looks interesting. Thanks for the heads up, White.

  • Interested in this but not ready to be the early adopter at that price. Anyone else ready to take one for the team?

  • Weirdly I was talking about this very unit with a local valve expert the other day; he was recommending I dig out the service manual to see if I could nick the preamp design for my experiments…

  • edited August 2022

    So very interesting! This is based on the T5. I love vintage delays, on the Mac there is the ECHOES T7E from Auditory, based on a T7 with a lot of control, and it sounds great. For iOS we only have the ERS Echorek2 ( https://apps.apple.com/nl/app/ers-echorek2/id1584374254 ) which does seem to be based on a T7 as well I think, more control but I wasn’t too impressed with the Mac demo I tried some time ago.. I might jump on this, but need some time to justify the price, as it’s not cheap for a delay from a developer I know very little about.. We need some sound demos!

  • Maybe little known in IOS land, but he‘s a long term quality provider for VST and even hardware units.
    https://www.genuinesoundware.com/
    His Space Echo and a Spring Verb emulation VSTs are among the better effects in that domain.
    (most of my setup is hardware DSP based, but I used his plugins occasionally)

  • Price seems reasonable to me, I'll probably pick this up shortly.

  • Not averse to the price, just want to know it’s worth it. (I’ll buy a 3 quid app just to see what it’s like, but for £12 I want to be able to use it.) Interested in your thoughts @richardyot , if you do take the plunge.

  • One immediate thought: is it possible to mess with the drum manually? I’ve seen someone with a real one on YT somewhere where he was spinning it backwards from time to time (kind of scratching the delay), and you can do that a little with the JiraJira delay in MiRack.

  • Very cool, hope it sounds better than the Overloud Echorec, which is $5 but really doesn’t do it for me. Perhaps someone can do a comparison, @oat_phipps ?

  • edited August 2022

    I dig it - it's similar to the ERS Echorek2 in that it has a specific sound and limited options. I'm a sucker for old analogue delay sounds so I picked it up. It's not for everyone - definitely not a universal, best tape-style delay ever. This is a specific-use-case kinda thing.

    But I'm into it - it's weird, unique, and sounds good. This is the same dev as VB3 organ which is a very good, all-round Hammond app which I dig as well.

    Besides - he's Italian. Triple points there :p

  • It's pretty cool, a nice emulation of a drum echo. It has this very distinctive self-oscillation thing going on which is central to the character. Short video demo below, using a sampled guitar from Pure Synth Platinum:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wr03fgrfa3s63ch/2022-08-22 13.59.39.mp4?dl=0

  • edited August 2022

    @bygjohn said:
    One immediate thought: is it possible to mess with the drum manually? I’ve seen someone with a real one on YT somewhere where he was spinning it backwards from time to time (kind of scratching the delay), and you can do that a little with the JiraJira delay in MiRack.

    With MIDI I think you can. Or you can just twiddle the drum knob.

  • edited August 2022

    @Telefunky said:
    Maybe little known in IOS land, but he‘s a long term quality provider for VST and even hardware units.
    https://www.genuinesoundware.com/
    His Space Echo and a Spring Verb emulation VSTs are among the better effects in that domain.
    (most of my setup is hardware DSP based, but I used his plugins occasionally)

    I hope he ports this one for the iOS: https://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=45
    Judging from the demo vid, it sounds very good, a great Roland RE-201 copy, and a mystery why a remake of this famous Roland tape delay hasn’t been on the mobile platform yet.

  • edited August 2022

    Love it! It sounds raw and unpolished, like an old unit. Nice it has a (probably sampled) hiss amount control to make it sound even more like a vintage unit. Too bad the level indicator doesn’t animate.* Need more time to experiment with the settings, but so far so good. Love how you can display the whole unit with animated disk in auv3, see screenshot from my iPad pro 11’. To me, for the short period I’m using it, it sounds more realistic than the ERS Echorek2, which doesn’t breathe vintage like this one. *Correction, the level indicator (magic eye) does animate! :smile:

  • @bygjohn said:
    One immediate thought: is it possible to mess with the drum manually? I’ve seen someone with a real one on YT somewhere where he was spinning it backwards from time to time (kind of scratching the delay), and you can do that a little with the JiraJira delay in MiRack.

    No, but you can slow the disk down half the speed with a knob

  • @richardyot said:

    @bygjohn said:
    One immediate thought: is it possible to mess with the drum manually? I’ve seen someone with a real one on YT somewhere where he was spinning it backwards from time to time (kind of scratching the delay), and you can do that a little with the JiraJira delay in MiRack.

    With MIDI I think you can. Or you can just twiddle the drum knob.

    @Slush said:

    @bygjohn said:
    One immediate thought: is it possible to mess with the drum manually? I’ve seen someone with a real one on YT somewhere where he was spinning it backwards from time to time (kind of scratching the delay), and you can do that a little with the JiraJira delay in MiRack.

    No, but you can slow the disk down half the speed with a knob

    Thanks both for checking. I think I’ll give it a pass for the moment on that basis.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Very cool, hope it sounds better than the Overloud Echorec, which is $5 but really doesn’t do it for me. Perhaps someone can do a comparison, @oat_phipps ?

    I’m gonna pass on this one. I have the Overloud and the one from Magic Death Eye guy, and neither really satisfy. I think this is best left in vintage hardware land. Though Italian-made is always really appealing…I just can’t see getting something truly satisfying out of it.

  • edited August 2022

    @Slush said:
    Love it! It sounds raw and unpolished, like an old unit. Nice it has a (probably sampled) hiss amount control to make it sound even more like a vintage unit.

    I have an Italian pedal, the Echo Sex Baby, that does this effect pretty well. It's a little noisy. Never having played a real Echorec, I can't say whether that's authentic or not.

    It's a good effect if you like delay that shades into reverb. I'm curious to hear more reviews of this iOS implementation.

    @richardyot said:
    It's pretty cool, a nice emulation of a drum echo. It has this very distinctive self-oscillation thing going on which is central to the character. Short video demo below, using a sampled guitar from Pure Synth Platinum:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wr03fgrfa3s63ch/2022-08-22 13.59.39.mp4?dl=0

    Thanks for this demo, @richardyot. Is it possible to adjust the "vintageness"? That aspect of the sound seems exaggerated here. Maybe that reflects the real state of the unit they tried to model. The Echo Sex Baby has a knob that lets you dial this up or down, which is nice. From what I've read, David Gilmour kept his Echorec well-maintained, so this amount of warble is not what you want for things in the style of Pink Floyd.

  • Was wondering if you can just use the preamp alone — without invoking the tape unit?

    I remember there were a number of guitarists back in the day who bought the pedal just for the boost the preamp gave to their tone.

    Also, was wondering if anyone has either of these two bad boys and can report how they compare with this new unit:

    Is the Echo B2 massively better than either of them?

  • ...or this sweet one:

  • @SNystrom It is different and not as versatile. This is more a specialty tool - those are more all purpose tape delays.

  • @SNystrom I have K7D, but that’s something different, a tape delay, and personally I find it difficult to control and often results in complete chaos. I also don’t like the presets of the K7D, nothing subtitle just extreme stuff. Don’t get me wrong, K7D is capable of some very interesting results, but it’s nothing like the Roland space echo repro ‘Outer Space’ from Audiothing (OSX) which is a joy to dail in. I don’t have RE-1 but I know the sound demos on youtube.

    @bangzero ChowTape is a tape sim, something else. TB Reelbus has also tape delay onboard, but again something else than the Echo B2. Listen to some youtubes of a real Echorec and you know what to expect.

    Sidenote: I wish the Echo B2 will get a future option to switch between the E5 and the more featured version E7, which has a few more functions and more pattern options. It shouldn’t be that hard to implement I guess?

  • @Krupa said:
    Weirdly I was talking about this very unit with a local valve expert the other day; he was recommending I dig out the service manual to see if I could nick the preamp design for my experiments…

    It would be a fun project.

    https://www.effectrode.com/knowledge-base/binson-echorec-schematic/

    I love the preamp in my Klemt Echolette. You can make practically any amp sound fantastic with it. :smile:

  • @BroCoast said:

    @Krupa said:
    Weirdly I was talking about this very unit with a local valve expert the other day; he was recommending I dig out the service manual to see if I could nick the preamp design for my experiments…

    It would be a fun project.

    https://www.effectrode.com/knowledge-base/binson-echorec-schematic/

    I love the preamp in my Klemt Echolette. You can make practically any amp sound fantastic with it. :smile:

    Yeah, that site is incredible for the detail, once I'm back in the workshop it'll be invaluable :)

  • edited August 2022

    K7D sounds too clean for me - with a tape delay I want more "grime" for lack of a better word.

    RE-1 has been my go-to for tape delay for awhile now. It's not perfect but it's the most versatile tape delay I've found that can be used in a number of different musical situations.

    K7D is a great app - it definitely does what's advertised on the tin - it's just a matter of personal preference between that and RE-1.

    ERS Echorek2 and ECHO B2 are different beasts. They are analogue style delays yes, but because of their design the delay options are less extensive. They have a unique sound and character, both of which I dig, but to my ears these are more specialty tools than anything else. They don't lock to tempo, the delay range is smaller, etc. But to be fair - THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO DO THAT. These are recreations of vintage gear which was inherently limited due to the era and technology.

    I love analogue delays, and these are great tools for my toolbox. Where K7D & RE-1 may be a pair of multi-adjustsble flathead and philips head screwdrivers, ERS Echorek2 & ECHO B2 are sets of metric and imperial Alan keys. Still useful, just more specialized.

    I hope all my blathering helps!

  • The Sound Test Room demo:

  • GSI have posted a video on their YouTube channel

  • I love it, just got it today. Walkthrough and a really nice giveaway hopefully coming out tmrw!

  • It‘s got (lots of) character for sure :+1:

  • I posted this comment on GSi's video: "I like what I'm hearing. Please consider changing the iPad interface, though. The novelty of the top graphic wears off quickly. Get rid of the lid graphic with the spinning drum. They take up a lot of space on the iPad's small screen. Use that space instead for the 6 Settings knobs, so that we have access to all the knobs from one screen."

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