ECHO B2 by Guido Scognamiglio

Gavinski

@JanKun said:

@Gavinski said:

@JanKun said:

@tahiche said:

@Daveypoo said:
K7D sounds too clean for me - with a tape delay I want more "grime" for lack of a better word.

RE-1 has been my go-to for tape delay for awhile now. It's not perfect but it's the most versatile tape delay I've found that can be used in a number of different musical situations.

K7D is a great app - it definitely does what's advertised on the tin - it's just a matter of personal preference between that and RE-1.

I don't have either of those - DDMF or Duplicat. Definitely the GSi B2 and VariSpeed both sound great, and sound different. Do u need both, obviously not. Will you buy both, probably grin 😁

In the meantime I just wanted to post this interesting documentary about the Echorec.

Gavin, you're not helping my addiction at all. In fact, if we ever meet in China or Japan, you will have to treat me in a very fancy restaurant, your tutorials cost me a lot of 💰 😉. Very cool video, thank you for posting.

Harsh 😂 don't blame my lovely tutorials for your lack of self control 😂. But yes I do indeed hope we get the chance to meet up!

eylvy

Slush

@eylvy said:

Nice, pretty damn good eh?! I can’t stop playing and tweaking this thing. I’m experimenting with delay trails running 2 Echo B2 units with different patterns/settings for more complexity. It’s a bit of a challenge to get everything into sync

Gavinski

Another demo - this one on guitar and drums, with a chance to win any GSi app (including their very expensive ones 😂!)

Riffler used here as auv3. Please note that this is the beta of Riffler and not on the appstore yet, but it kicks ass big time.

Slush

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

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Slush

@ehehehe Thanks!

Proppa

@Slush said:

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

This is great. I’m always interested in non-guitar applications of effects with all variations of dub being my primary goal.

Slush

@Proppa and thank you too

PeteSasqwax

@frond said:
I’ve used the ERS echorec emulation on the desktop, as well as the recent iOS version that ddmf took over for Harrie ( ERS ). The ERS/ddmf version is very good as well, though fiddly. The main issue is the warble. I’m assuming the Binson echorec that ERS/Harrie was using for measurements/scoping/modelling had an idler wheel with some issues. The rubber idler wheel can become misshapen if left engaged while not running. The rubber idler wheel can also break down/harden. It required regular cleaning with rubber cleaner conditioner.

Anyway, the ERS/ddmf version is worth having as well. it sounds a little different. I wish you could turn off the warble, but I also like warble/imperfections. The ECHO B2 is more accurate to my ear, and no warble. Both preamp emulations are useful.

I was intrigued about this when it came out but oddly have never seen any sign of videos of it. I don't understand why even the developer doesn't have any content letting you hear what it actually sounds like, yet it's irritatingly common, especially on iOS

Slush

@PeteSasqwax said:

@frond said:
I’ve used the ERS echorec emulation on the desktop, as well as the recent iOS version that ddmf took over for Harrie ( ERS ). The ERS/ddmf version is very good as well, though fiddly. The main issue is the warble. I’m assuming the Binson echorec that ERS/Harrie was using for measurements/scoping/modelling had an idler wheel with some issues. The rubber idler wheel can become misshapen if left engaged while not running. The rubber idler wheel can also break down/harden. It required regular cleaning with rubber cleaner conditioner.

Anyway, the ERS/ddmf version is worth having as well. it sounds a little different. I wish you could turn off the warble, but I also like warble/imperfections. The ECHO B2 is more accurate to my ear, and no warble. Both preamp emulations are useful.

I was intrigued about this when it came out but oddly have never seen any sign of videos of it. I don't understand why even the developer doesn't have any content letting you hear what it actually sounds like, yet it's irritatingly common, especially on iOS

Doug did a demo on this together with their vintage chorus and delay.

In the demo it sounds good, but I didn’t like the demo on my Mac so much.. It’s not like the B2. The ERS/ddmf version is based on the T7E, B2 on the T5E. I do hope the B2 will get a T7E update in the future, I did asked the developer about this a few weeks ago. *Who knows, would be cool to have an option switch or something between T5E and T7E.

*As an IAP for example, great way to earn a little extra for the dev.

Gavinski

@PeteSasqwax said:

@frond said:
I’ve used the ERS echorec emulation on the desktop, as well as the recent iOS version that ddmf took over for Harrie ( ERS ). The ERS/ddmf version is very good as well, though fiddly. The main issue is the warble. I’m assuming the Binson echorec that ERS/Harrie was using for measurements/scoping/modelling had an idler wheel with some issues. The rubber idler wheel can become misshapen if left engaged while not running. The rubber idler wheel can also break down/harden. It required regular cleaning with rubber cleaner conditioner.

Anyway, the ERS/ddmf version is worth having as well. it sounds a little different. I wish you could turn off the warble, but I also like warble/imperfections. The ECHO B2 is more accurate to my ear, and no warble. Both preamp emulations are useful.

I was intrigued about this when it came out but oddly have never seen any sign of videos of it. I don't understand why even the developer doesn't have any content letting you hear what it actually sounds like, yet it's irritatingly common, especially on iOS

It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

Gavinski

@Slush said:

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

Great stuff!

PeteSasqwax

Ah, thanks immensely for that. For some reason I hadn't discovered that on my searches. I have to admit, whilst I've had some small experience of WEM and Roland units and know a little about the differences between models, I've never actually even seen a real Binson and wasn't aware that the B2 and the ERS versions were based on different machines. I'd love to see an IAP for the GSI unit (in the same way others have suggested regarding the full package of mod options for the Space Echo that the AUv3 appears to not offer versus its desktop counterpart).

PeteSasqwax

@Gavinski said:
It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

I appreciate that I'm much more likely to take a punt on an iOS plugin than I would be a desktop VST but I still need some kind of demo to work with. Just a few minutes of the dev walking through what everything is and giving some sound demos would go a long way. I always think Imaginando tend to do a great job on that front (although they're obviously not the only ones)

Slush

@Gavinski Thank you Gavin

Gavinski

@PeteSasqwax said:

@Gavinski said:
It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

I appreciate that I'm much more likely to take a punt on an iOS plugin than I would be a desktop VST but I still need some kind of demo to work with. Just a few minutes of the dev walking through what everything is and giving some sound demos would go a long way. I always think Imaginando tend to do a great job on that front (although they're obviously not the only ones)

@PeteSasqwax said:

@Gavinski said:
It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

I appreciate that I'm much more likely to take a punt on an iOS plugin than I would be a desktop VST but I still need some kind of demo to work with. Just a few minutes of the dev walking through what everything is and giving some sound demos would go a long way. I always think Imaginando tend to do a great job on that front (although they're obviously not the only ones)

Yeah Imaginando are generally great at that. Audiomodern too. When they invite people to beta they usually already have a video made to help testers understand the app. 4POCKETS is killing it as a dev who does great walkthroughs, as is Ryan Robinson / Audio Symmetric.

PeteSasqwax

@Slush said:
The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

This is lovely, mate. I'm a big fan of running delays into other delays. My currently favourite special sauce is using TB Reelbus with the delay setting and sitting GSI Varispeed afterwards. Excellent to see that you've got 2 of my other favourites involved in the mix too. Altispace is my go-to spring unit (and, although I'm sure the GSI is great, I'm not yet convinced that I need to replace it). Chowtape is another on the same level.

Slush

@PeteSasqwax said:

@Slush said:
The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

This is lovely, mate. I'm a big fan of running delays into other delays. My currently favourite special sauce is using TB Reelbus with the delay setting and sitting GSI Varispeed afterwards. Excellent to see that you've got 2 of my other favourites involved in the mix too. Altispace is my go-to spring unit (and, although I'm sure the GSI is great, I'm not yet convinced that I need to replace it). Chowtape is another on the same level.

Thanks! Yes Altispace is nice stuff, I used the noise and reverse setting in this vid, all in combi makes some special sauce. The Space Echo has spring reverb as well, very much looking forward to that one

PeteSasqwax

The reverse setting is ridiculously good! It's such a powerful tool for sound mangling as a whole. Igor is an artist and we are fortunate that he has chosen iOS as his canvas.

(Or something like that anyway )

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Crabman

@Slush said:

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

Thanks for this,exactly what i was looking for 👍 I want to buy one of his echos and listen to a couple of demos from each one and the B2 is definitely my favorite.Could have been the Roland but i don‘t want to sound like a broken record why i don‘t like the current appstore version

i tried the varispeed on my mac but that one doesn’t seem to click with me.Dunno…Most people seem to like the VS more,maybe because the tone is a bit softer/more subtle? I want the opposite though,a tape echo IS the instrument for me 😆 And the longer feedback from the B2 sounds really nice 👍

Slush

@Crabman said:

@Slush said:

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

Thanks for this,exactly what i was looking for 👍 I want to buy one of his echos and listen to a couple of demos from each one and the B2 is definitely my favorite.Could have been the Roland but i don‘t want to sound like a broken record why i don‘t like the current appstore version

i tried the varispeed on my mac but that one doesn’t seem to click with me.Dunno…Most people seem to like the VS more,maybe because the tone is a bit softer/more subtle? I want the opposite though,a tape echo IS the instrument for me 😆 And the longer feedback from the B2 sounds really nice 👍

Yes, the B2 is fantastic, good choice! It’s not a tape echo technically, but a spinning magnetic disk instead of tape. The sound is comparable but with its own unique sound color.
I only did a short play with Varispeed, too busy with the Space Echo. It’s too bad that GSI delays don’t have a preset system, I made a whole bunch of presets for the Space Echo, saved in Apematrix that I can’t seem to share.. (I guess?)..

ninobeatz

@Gavinski said:

@PeteSasqwax said:

@frond said:
I’ve used the ERS echorec emulation on the desktop, as well as the recent iOS version that ddmf took over for Harrie ( ERS ). The ERS/ddmf version is very good as well, though fiddly. The main issue is the warble. I’m assuming the Binson echorec that ERS/Harrie was using for measurements/scoping/modelling had an idler wheel with some issues. The rubber idler wheel can become misshapen if left engaged while not running. The rubber idler wheel can also break down/harden. It required regular cleaning with rubber cleaner conditioner.

Anyway, the ERS/ddmf version is worth having as well. it sounds a little different. I wish you could turn off the warble, but I also like warble/imperfections. The ECHO B2 is more accurate to my ear, and no warble. Both preamp emulations are useful.

I was intrigued about this when it came out but oddly have never seen any sign of videos of it. I don't understand why even the developer doesn't have any content letting you hear what it actually sounds like, yet it's irritatingly common, especially on iOS

It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

Which dev?

Stuntman_mike

@Slush said:

@Crabman said:

@Slush said:

The Echo B2 is such a great dirty delay. I made a screen record of some Dub Techno free styling in Apematrix /Gadget with 2 Echo B2 units in combi with 2 Dubstations on stabs. Lots of hisssss and grit, manual & LFO automation on controls. The B2 on the second matrix is also responsible for the atmospheric backdrop, with a slow automation on the ‘Length of Swell’ pushing it slowly to the edge, feed into Altispace and shit. Chowtape and FAC Limiter on the master. Whatever. Hey, use headphones/speakers!

Thanks for this,exactly what i was looking for 👍 I want to buy one of his echos and listen to a couple of demos from each one and the B2 is definitely my favorite.Could have been the Roland but i don‘t want to sound like a broken record why i don‘t like the current appstore version

i tried the varispeed on my mac but that one doesn’t seem to click with me.Dunno…Most people seem to like the VS more,maybe because the tone is a bit softer/more subtle? I want the opposite though,a tape echo IS the instrument for me 😆 And the longer feedback from the B2 sounds really nice 👍

Yes, the B2 is fantastic, good choice! It’s not a tape echo technically, but a spinning magnetic disk instead of tape. The sound is comparable but with its own unique sound color.
I only did a short play with Varispeed, too busy with the Space Echo. It’s too bad that GSI delays don’t have a preset system, I made a whole bunch of presets for the Space Echo, saved in Apematrix that I can’t seem to share.. (I guess?)..

We just need Audio Things to make Wires for iOS 🙏🏻

Gavinski

@ninobeatz said:

@Gavinski said:

@PeteSasqwax said:

@frond said:
I’ve used the ERS echorec emulation on the desktop, as well as the recent iOS version that ddmf took over for Harrie ( ERS ). The ERS/ddmf version is very good as well, though fiddly. The main issue is the warble. I’m assuming the Binson echorec that ERS/Harrie was using for measurements/scoping/modelling had an idler wheel with some issues. The rubber idler wheel can become misshapen if left engaged while not running. The rubber idler wheel can also break down/harden. It required regular cleaning with rubber cleaner conditioner.

Anyway, the ERS/ddmf version is worth having as well. it sounds a little different. I wish you could turn off the warble, but I also like warble/imperfections. The ECHO B2 is more accurate to my ear, and no warble. Both preamp emulations are useful.

I was intrigued about this when it came out but oddly have never seen any sign of videos of it. I don't understand why even the developer doesn't have any content letting you hear what it actually sounds like, yet it's irritatingly common, especially on iOS

It is.... I emailed him for a code.... No reply 🤷‍♂️

Which dev?

Ddmf dev

Slush

@Stuntman_mike said:
We just need Audio Things to make Wires for iOS 🙏🏻

That’s the vintage spy unit where everything is recorded on an iron wire, right? We need Audiothing on the mobiles!

Stuntman_mike

@Slush said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
We just need Audio Things to make Wires for iOS 🙏🏻

That’s the vintage spy unit where everything is recorded on an iron wire, right? We need Audiothing on the mobiles!

Yessir, Audio Things makes amazing stuff!

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Grandbear

@ehehehe said:

@ehehehe said:
Anyone using this successfully with a knobby midi controller in Cubasis 3 yet?

Nobody with this setup? I wanna make it siiiiing (siiing), (siing), (siiiiiing) like an instrument. Absolutely my fav of these vintage delays sonically. Both devs have been told about the issue, so just waiting for an update.

Both AU params and MIDI CC work for me in Drambo, I can try reinstalling Cubasis 3 later and see how that goes.

Edit: I just did. MIDI CC works for me if I enable this: