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Spring reverb comparison video

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  • SabicasSabicas

    @BroCoast said:
    I think if you are focused on Surfy drip then any emulation/IR is going to be disappointing. There is such a massive difference between your tank and the emulations.

    Yeah, I agree and am losing motivation here. It’s one of the important ingredients of a spring verb to me but isn’t going to matter to everyone or even most people. THU has it close, which is interesting. It says a lot about what you can expect from the rest of their effects, I think. They went the extra mile and thought about the details.

    Tonex has the same parameters for spring as they do for other types of reverb. They just kinda phoned it in and thought no one would care. The result is average for an emulation, I think.

    Eventide’s emulation might be less terrible if it’s used on instruments with softer attacks. It’s not a bad sound once the attack passes.

    I guess I thought there might be others that would want to know. I searched the forum and found no real details.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:
    Orag> @espiegel123 said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    What do you have as your record count-in/out?

    For this case, I also use wait for playback so that I can arm everything rather than have recording start as soon as I touch the donut.

    If I look at the Orange settings, I have count In/out Quantization set to “Master”. Same for Blue

    Orange play/stop quantization = none.
    Blue = loop

    Is that what you are asking?

    What is record count-in and count out and the auto-count out setting?

    I’m looking and don’t know where to find the first two. “Auto Count Out” is off for Orange and on for Blue.

    Did you set the master cycle length to the same number of bars as the orange loop?

    Recording count-in and count-out are about halfway down in the Recording section

  • espiegel123espiegel123

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Make sure the master cycle length is set to the same number of bars as the orange loop

  • SabicasSabicas

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Sabicas said:
    Orag> @espiegel123 said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    What do you have as your record count-in/out?

    For this case, I also use wait for playback so that I can arm everything rather than have recording start as soon as I touch the donut.

    If I look at the Orange settings, I have count In/out Quantization set to “Master”. Same for Blue

    Orange play/stop quantization = none.
    Blue = loop

    Is that what you are asking?

    What is record count-in and count out and the auto-count out setting?

    I’m looking and don’t know where to find the first two. “Auto Count Out” is off for Orange and on for Blue.

    Did you set the master cycle length to the same number of bars as the orange loop?

    No, the dry clip is 9 bars, 2.64 beats. Now that you’ve called attention to it, I’ve set the master to 9 bars.

    Recording count-in and count-out are about halfway down in the Recording section

    Ok, I reported those settings earlier and thought you meant something else as you asked the question again. All set to “master”.

    I’ve now turned off audio threshold. I can hit play and then press a blue donut during the count-in and it records the orange loop correctly

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @sabicas: if you turn in wait for playback, you can tap to turn on the orange loop and tap to record enable an empty loop and when you press play recording will start straight away without a need to tap again during the count-in

  • SlushSlush

    I wonder what the upcoming Hornet Springverb will bring to the table https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/51981/hornet-springverb-announced-for-ios#latest

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

  • SabicasSabicas

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

    I’ve got them

  • SabicasSabicas

    Great. How about iFX and Eos2?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:
    Great. How about iFX and Eos2?

    I have them. EOS2 doesn’t have a spring emulation, though. It is a hall and plate emulation.

  • BroCoastBroCoast

    @Sabicas said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

    I actually made a video yesterday with iVCS3 vs All of the above.

    The problem you will have with iVCS3 spring is that set to FTconv which is the most realistic there is some added latency. It is also a different kind of spring to what you are after.

    This is the issue also. You are chasing a 2 spring classic fender reverb unit thing but not many spring emulations are designed to emulate that. Even classic fender amps don’t do the same thing as far as drip is concerned.

  • SabicasSabicas

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

    I actually made a video yesterday with iVCS3 vs All of the above.

    The problem you will have with iVCS3 spring is that set to FTconv which is the most realistic there is some added latency. It is also a different kind of spring to what you are after.

    This is the issue also. You are chasing a 2 spring classic fender reverb unit thing but not many spring emulations are designed to emulate that. Even classic fender amps don’t do the same thing as far as drip is concerned.

    Where’s your vid?

    I agree that not all spring reverbs are set up to sound like a Fender tank, but it’s still interesting to me to see the difference between them. Also, I just sold my Fender Deluxe Reverb re-issue this year and it’s on-board reverb got decently drippy and deep.

  • BroCoastBroCoast
    edited December 2022

    @Sabicas said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

    I actually made a video yesterday with iVCS3 vs All of the above.

    The problem you will have with iVCS3 spring is that set to FTconv which is the most realistic there is some added latency. It is also a different kind of spring to what you are after.

    This is the issue also. You are chasing a 2 spring classic fender reverb unit thing but not many spring emulations are designed to emulate that. Even classic fender amps don’t do the same thing as far as drip is concerned.

    Where’s your vid?

    I agree that not all spring reverbs are set up to sound like a Fender tank, but it’s still interesting to me to see the difference between them. Also, I just sold my Fender Deluxe Reverb re-issue this year and it’s on-board reverb got decently drippy and deep.

    This reissue?

    I will upload it shortly.

    You can send me your file if you like though and I will run it through all the spring apps I have.

    Also try these settings in Eventide Spring. I just tried to dial it in to sound the same as my Deluxe.

  • SabicasSabicas
    edited December 2022

    @BroCoast My DRRI was a “Limited Anniversary” re-issue, circa 2003. Blackface with blonde tolex/grill, upgraded speakers and cabinet.

    I’ve created a clip from your Eventide settings and included it in my array. Thanks!

    Here’s my dry clip: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ktkutmfw9uchuaw/Spring Reverb Compare - Orange - Dry.wav?dl=0

    I’m recording just the emulation/IR, not including any amp or cabinet.

    IRs, 100% wet
    Emulations, to taste

    So far, I’ve covered BYOD, Bias FX 1, TONEX, Eventide, AltiSpace 2, THU, and a set of IRs of a 1960’s Premier 90 Unit in Thafknar. It’s all about 26 clips, total, I think.

    I’m surprised at how good some of these IRs sound upon revisiting. It’ll be an interesting rundown.

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    Another option that I haven't seen mentioned is TimeVerb-X (I don't have it, just pointing it out for completeness)

  • SabicasSabicas

    @Grandbear said:
    Another option that I haven't seen mentioned is TimeVerb-X (I don't have it, just pointing it out for completeness)

    Ohhh, I’ve never seen that one. Maybe someone around here has it.

    Also, the Vintagerack advertises “Spring reverb with tube preamp” in it’s list of models.

  • BroCoastBroCoast

    @Sabicas said:
    @BroCoast My DRRI was a “Limited Anniversary” re-issue, circa 2003. Blackface with blonde tolex/grill, upgraded speakers and cabinet.

    I’ve created a clip from your Eventide settings and included it in my array. Thanks!

    Here’s my dry clip: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ktkutmfw9uchuaw/Spring Reverb Compare - Orange - Dry.wav?dl=0

    I’m recording just the emulation/IR, not including any amp or cabinet.

    IRs, 100% wet
    Emulations, to taste

    So far, I’ve covered BYOD, Bias FX 1, TONEX, Eventide, AltiSpace 2, THU, and a set of IRs of a 1960’s Premier 90 Unit in Thafknar. It’s all about 26 clips, total, I think.

    I’m surprised at how good some of these IRs sound upon revisiting. It’ll be an interesting rundown.

    Speaking of IR’s

    You might find these interesting:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f0xplxq9r8dsxki/AADzyNHy4v7V7R4_XkRcb59fa?dl=0

  • NeuMNeuM

    Desktop options:

    https://www.audiothing.net/effects/springs/

  • pbelgiumpbelgium

    Also try these settings in Eventide Spring. I just tried to dial it in to sound the same as my Deluxe.

    Thanks for sharing these settings @BroCoast, sounds very good - I don't feel I wasted my $2 now. :D
    Really enjoying this thread and looking forward to listening to more comparisons.

  • SabicasSabicas

    I have over 40 clips now. Keep’em coming.

    Does anyone have the Mixbox “Sunset” spring?

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Slush said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    Have you all looked at Lost in the 70s “Devil Spring Reverb”

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/devil-spring-reverb/id1550838067

    Also IR based, and nothing wrong with that. But I wish there was a spring syntheses app with full control and realistic sound, with all the drips and quirks.

    I think best is to buy quality IR, Altispace for example has a lot of stuff but some are cut off too early. But I do like the nature of these original units, the grit, the hiss and hum. No software reproduction sounds like that. That goes for ‘normal’ vintage reverbs as well.

    is BYOD IR?

    I’ll include the BYOD in the next comparison vid, which is going to have maybe a few dozens emulations and IRs.

    I need to find someone with MixBox and the iVSC3 app to take my raw file and create clips. ….and any others that I’ve missed.

    I actually made a video yesterday with iVCS3 vs All of the above.

    The problem you will have with iVCS3 spring is that set to FTconv which is the most realistic there is some added latency. It is also a different kind of spring to what you are after.

    This is the issue also. You are chasing a 2 spring classic fender reverb unit thing but not many spring emulations are designed to emulate that. Even classic fender amps don’t do the same thing as far as drip is concerned.

    Where’s your vid?

    I agree that not all spring reverbs are set up to sound like a Fender tank, but it’s still interesting to me to see the difference between them. Also, I just sold my Fender Deluxe Reverb re-issue this year and it’s on-board reverb got decently drippy and deep.

    This reissue?

    I will upload it shortly.

    You can send me your file if you like though and I will run it through all the spring apps I have.

    Also try these settings in Eventide Spring. I just tried to dial it in to sound the same as my Deluxe.

    Thanks for the patch. It sounds like a completely different app. Nice work.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Sabicas said:
    I have over 40 clips now. Keep’em coming.

    Does anyone have the Mixbox “Sunset” spring?

    Yes, if you have MixBox CS or desktop, I recommend getting that upgrade.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @NeuM said:

    @Sabicas said:
    I have over 40 clips now. Keep’em coming.

    Does anyone have the Mixbox “Sunset” spring?

    Yes, if you have MixBox CS or desktop, I recommend getting that upgrade.

    I think he is asking if someone with the Sunset IAP would run his sample through its spring IRs and send him the results to include in the comprehensive comparison that he is putting together.

  • SabicasSabicas

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:
    @BroCoast My DRRI was a “Limited Anniversary” re-issue, circa 2003. Blackface with blonde tolex/grill, upgraded speakers and cabinet.

    I’ve created a clip from your Eventide settings and included it in my array. Thanks!

    Here’s my dry clip: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ktkutmfw9uchuaw/Spring Reverb Compare - Orange - Dry.wav?dl=0

    I’m recording just the emulation/IR, not including any amp or cabinet.

    IRs, 100% wet
    Emulations, to taste

    So far, I’ve covered BYOD, Bias FX 1, TONEX, Eventide, AltiSpace 2, THU, and a set of IRs of a 1960’s Premier 90 Unit in Thafknar. It’s all about 26 clips, total, I think.

    I’m surprised at how good some of these IRs sound upon revisiting. It’ll be an interesting rundown.

    Speaking of IR’s

    You might find these interesting:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f0xplxq9r8dsxki/AADzyNHy4v7V7R4_XkRcb59fa?dl=0

    Whoah. Some of those are pretty wild with the stretching and stereo panning.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @BroCoast said:

    @Sabicas said:
    @BroCoast My DRRI was a “Limited Anniversary” re-issue, circa 2003. Blackface with blonde tolex/grill, upgraded speakers and cabinet.

    I’ve created a clip from your Eventide settings and included it in my array. Thanks!

    Here’s my dry clip: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ktkutmfw9uchuaw/Spring Reverb Compare - Orange - Dry.wav?dl=0

    I’m recording just the emulation/IR, not including any amp or cabinet.

    IRs, 100% wet
    Emulations, to taste

    So far, I’ve covered BYOD, Bias FX 1, TONEX, Eventide, AltiSpace 2, THU, and a set of IRs of a 1960’s Premier 90 Unit in Thafknar. It’s all about 26 clips, total, I think.

    I’m surprised at how good some of these IRs sound upon revisiting. It’ll be an interesting rundown.

    Speaking of IR’s

    You might find these interesting:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f0xplxq9r8dsxki/AADzyNHy4v7V7R4_XkRcb59fa?dl=0

    Those are really nice. Thanks for posting.

  • AlterEgo_UKAlterEgo_UK

    Following my demo of the presets in Vintage Rack, by Igor Vasiliev, @Sabicas asked if I would contribute a comparison of the Spring Reverbs available in Vintage Racks. There are 10 different types of Spring Reverb in Vintage Racks and each can be used in Normal Mode or Dark Mode, as well as having control over Treble, Bass, Pre-Delay and Presence (the amount of the effect).

    Sabicas sent me the wav file of him playing the guitar clip he used for his comparison so I loaded that into AUM File Player for this demo.

    Hope you find it useful.

  • MrStochasticMrStochastic

    @Alfred said:
    Eos2 has spring reverb code by valhalla, it is a very nice sounding reverb.

    I’ve been searching and can’t find where to get this.

  • SlushSlush

    @Stochastically said:

    @Alfred said:
    Eos2 has spring reverb code by valhalla, it is a very nice sounding reverb.

    I’ve been searching and can’t find where to get this.

    I think this is incorrect info, Eos2 has plate but no spring.

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