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  • @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    He might WANT people to view him that way, but his actions speak the opposite.

    He’s encouraged voters to vote Republican, repeated conspiracy theories about Nancy Pelosi’s husband, accused various news media of being ‘woke’, regularly flaunted labor laws, primarily retweeted a number of right-leaning individuals and websites, and now always refers to anything centrist or left of center as “the far left”. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

    Hardly the actions of someone who is left-leaning.

    Refresh this thread. I posted a Twitter link you may not have seen.

  • @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

  • @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

    As I said, his words and actions don’t support this.

    I saw the Twitter thread too. There’s no evidence that the FBI paid Twitter to censor those things - the FBI pays fees for information requested from Twitter that is the result of court orders - there’s no evidence in anything Musk has said or commented on that the FBI has in the past coerced Twitter into censoring anyone. It’s just another conspiracy theory that it suits Musk to amplify.

  • edited December 2022

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

    As I said, his words and actions don’t support this.

    I saw the Twitter thread too. There’s no evidence that the FBI paid Twitter to censor those things - the FBI pays fees for information requested from Twitter that is the result of court orders - there’s no evidence in anything Musk has said or commented on that the FBI has in the past coerced Twitter into censoring anyone. It’s just another conspiracy theory that it suits Musk to amplify.

    No evidence? I suggest you review Matt Taibbi’s posts, plus all of the others in the Twitter Files releases (I believe there were a total of 8 releases). There is a massive pile of evidence and there’s no need for me to repost any of it here. It’s there for literally anyone to see. And by the way, Matt Taibbi is not remotely a conservative.

  • @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

    As I said, his words and actions don’t support this.

    I saw the Twitter thread too. There’s no evidence that the FBI paid Twitter to censor those things - the FBI pays fees for information requested from Twitter that is the result of court orders - there’s no evidence in anything Musk has said or commented on that the FBI has in the past coerced Twitter into censoring anyone. It’s just another conspiracy theory that it suits Musk to amplify.

    No evidence? I suggest you review Matt Taibbi’s posts, plus all of the others in the Twitter Files releases. There is a massive pile of evidence. And by the way, Matt Taibbi is not remotely a conservative.

    I read them. They don’t constitute evidence that payments made to Twitter were for censoring posts.

    Come on - if the FBI wanted to pay Twitter to carry out illegal activities, why would they make very public payments? That is the dumbest thing they could do. By far. Really, really stupid.

    You can’t simply infer illegal censorship actions because payments were made that have a legitimate explanation. That’s the kind of batshit crazy conspiracy theory that’s no better than chemtrails or faked Moon landings.

  • edited December 2022

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

    As I said, his words and actions don’t support this.

    I saw the Twitter thread too. There’s no evidence that the FBI paid Twitter to censor those things - the FBI pays fees for information requested from Twitter that is the result of court orders - there’s no evidence in anything Musk has said or commented on that the FBI has in the past coerced Twitter into censoring anyone. It’s just another conspiracy theory that it suits Musk to amplify.

    No evidence? I suggest you review Matt Taibbi’s posts, plus all of the others in the Twitter Files releases. There is a massive pile of evidence. And by the way, Matt Taibbi is not remotely a conservative.

    I read them. They don’t constitute evidence that payments made to Twitter were for censoring posts.

    Come on - if the FBI wanted to pay Twitter to carry out illegal activities, why would they make very public payments? That is the dumbest thing they could do. By far. Really, really stupid.

    You can’t simply infer illegal censorship actions because payments were made that have a legitimate explanation. That’s the kind of batshit crazy conspiracy theory that’s no better than chemtrails or faked Moon landings.

    Are you conflating violating the First Amendment with “illegal activities”? Something can technically be “legal” and still be in violation of our constitutionally protected rights. Only after a case is made before the Supreme Court and there is a ruling is the legality and constitutionality of those “legal actions” finally decided. You may also be aware actor James Woods is suing the Federal government over their collusion with Twitter when his account on Twitter was banned after the DNC contacted Twitter.

  • Musk is a manipulative liar with an increasing investment in a far-right agenda which seems to have been his motivation for purchasing Twitter (he thinks of Ron DeSantis as a mainstream middle of the road candidate).

    The Twitter Files is a dishonest exercise that does not prove any of Taibbi's, Weiss' or Musk's claims.

  • edited December 2022

    @espiegel123 said:
    Musk is a manipulative liar with an increasing investment in a far-right agenda which seems to have been his motivation for purchasing Twitter (he thinks of Ron DeSantis as a mainstream middle of the road candidate).

    The Twitter Files is a dishonest exercise that does not prove any of Taibbi's, Weiss' or Musk's claims.

    Reporters who’ve covered the Twitter Files (so far) are: Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss, Lee Fang, Michael Shellenberger.

    And an assertion without evidence (“The Twitter Files is a dishonest exercise that does not prove any of Taibbi's, Weiss' or Musk's claims”) isn’t evidence.

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays everyone!

  • @cokomairena said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    Back on the design by committee beat, EU regulators are now proposing that mobile devices must have an easily user-replaceable battery. I hate this timeline.

    We had years of easily user-replaceable batteries in our mobile devices and I recall every time I dropped a phone from more than 4 inches the back coming off/cracking. Never actually replaced a battery. Mean time my current iPhone is slim enough to fit in my pants pocket and waterproof enough to take it swimming. I don't want to go back.

    Here's the deal: Small phone, waterproof phone, easily user-replaceable battery. Pick two, because you're not getting all three.

    Time for Apple to create an "EU model" iPhone so the rest of us can continue to enjoy progress.

    You can make a replaceable battery without having a bulk device.

    But not a waterproof device that isn’t bulky, per my point. And you’ll give up battery capacity.

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    Back on the design by committee beat, EU regulators are now proposing that mobile devices must have an easily user-replaceable battery. I hate this timeline.

    We had years of easily user-replaceable batteries in our mobile devices and I recall every time I dropped a phone from more than 4 inches the back coming off/cracking. Never actually replaced a battery. Mean time my current iPhone is slim enough to fit in my pants pocket and waterproof enough to take it swimming. I don't want to go back.

    Here's the deal: Small phone, waterproof phone, easily user-replaceable battery. Pick two, because you're not getting all three.

    Time for Apple to create an "EU model" iPhone so the rest of us can continue to enjoy progress.

    You can make a replaceable battery without having a bulk device.

    But not a waterproof device that isn’t bulky, per my point. And you’ll give up battery capacity.

    Some might also remember that having a replaceable battery means it is far more likely to be exposed to moisture/water, which could cause battery damage and potentially, a battery fire or explosion. I think Apple had the right idea to completely seal and make inaccessible their battery.

  • @wim said:
    I've watched this happening from both sides during the past 12 years of USA politics. Each side has been in total panic that the world will end because the other side won an election. It hasn't ended.

    That's a rather low bar though, if one looks at "smaller" things, like chipping away at fundamental liberties, denying climate change or attempting to subvert democracy then things are not so even sided. Not to mention setting up a court in such way that will continue to push the country in that direction.

  • edited December 2022

    @Grandbear said:

    @wim said:
    I've watched this happening from both sides during the past 12 years of USA politics. Each side has been in total panic that the world will end because the other side won an election. It hasn't ended.

    That's a rather low bar though, if one looks at "smaller" things, like chipping away at fundamental liberties, denying climate change or attempting to subvert democracy then things are not so even sided. Not to mention setting up a court in such way that will continue to push the country in that direction.

    Fundamental liberties are under direct assault right now by the party controlling both sides of Congress and the White House. One party has had complete control for two years.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @wim said:
    I've watched this happening from both sides during the past 12 years of USA politics. Each side has been in total panic that the world will end because the other side won an election. It hasn't ended.

    That's a rather low bar though, if one looks at "smaller" things, like chipping away at fundamental liberties, denying climate change or attempting to subvert democracy then things are not so even sided. Not to mention setting up a court in such way that will continue to push the country in that direction.

    Fundamental liberties are under direct assault right now by the party controlling both sides of Congress and the White House. One party has had complete control for two years.

    Sigh

  • @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @NeuM said:
    And Elon Musk is (more or less) a Left Libertarian. He has more in common with the Left than conservatives.

    I don’t think anything could be further from the truth based on his disdain for all things dear to the left.

    No, it’s absolutely true. He has said this himself repeatedly.

    Here is but one recent example. He voted for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (by the way, no conservative would ever do either of those things) but now opposes the extremists who’ve taken over.

    That’s 7 months ago, talking about actions from 6 years ago. It certainly doesn’t represent his viewpoints and actions from more recently than that.

    His views haven't changed. He’s still a Left Libertarian.

    As I said, his words and actions don’t support this.

    I saw the Twitter thread too. There’s no evidence that the FBI paid Twitter to censor those things - the FBI pays fees for information requested from Twitter that is the result of court orders - there’s no evidence in anything Musk has said or commented on that the FBI has in the past coerced Twitter into censoring anyone. It’s just another conspiracy theory that it suits Musk to amplify.

    No evidence? I suggest you review Matt Taibbi’s posts, plus all of the others in the Twitter Files releases. There is a massive pile of evidence. And by the way, Matt Taibbi is not remotely a conservative.

    I read them. They don’t constitute evidence that payments made to Twitter were for censoring posts.

    Come on - if the FBI wanted to pay Twitter to carry out illegal activities, why would they make very public payments? That is the dumbest thing they could do. By far. Really, really stupid.

    You can’t simply infer illegal censorship actions because payments were made that have a legitimate explanation. That’s the kind of batshit crazy conspiracy theory that’s no better than chemtrails or faked Moon landings.

    Are you conflating violating the First Amendment with “illegal activities”? Something can technically be “legal” and still be in violation of our constitutionally protected rights. Only after a case is made before the Supreme Court and there is a ruling is the legality and constitutionality of those “legal actions” finally decided. You may also be aware actor James Woods is suing the Federal government over their collusion with Twitter when his account on Twitter was banned after the DNC contacted Twitter.

    No I am not conflating the two.

    And James Woods is full of shit. He threatened the lawsuit knowing he doesn’t have a hope in hell of winning it.

  • Let the Supreme Court make that decision.

  • I know the Troll King won’t see this but I doubt anyone with real left wing political views would be seen hanging out with Trump’s son in law.

  • @CRAKROX said:
    I know the Troll King won’t see this but I doubt anyone with real left wing political views would be seen hanging out with Trump’s son in law.

    He abandoned any pretense of not being right-wing some time ago. He is openly right-wing, now.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @CRAKROX said:
    I know the Troll King won’t see this but I doubt anyone with real left wing political views would be seen hanging out with Trump’s son in law.

    He abandoned any pretense of not being right-wing some time ago. He is openly right-wing, now.

    He just won’t say it out loud - he just posts on Twitter the 280 characters or less equivalent of the Tucker Carlson puzzled look.

  • @michael_m said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @CRAKROX said:
    I know the Troll King won’t see this but I doubt anyone with real left wing political views would be seen hanging out with Trump’s son in law.

    He abandoned any pretense of not being right-wing some time ago. He is openly right-wing, now.

    He just won’t say it out loud - he just posts on Twitter the 280 characters or less equivalent of the Tucker Carlson puzzled look.

    He does say it out loud. He told people to vote Republican a month ago and has said that he approves of Ron DeSantis. Imo, that is saying it out loud.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @michael_m said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @CRAKROX said:
    I know the Troll King won’t see this but I doubt anyone with real left wing political views would be seen hanging out with Trump’s son in law.

    He abandoned any pretense of not being right-wing some time ago. He is openly right-wing, now.

    He just won’t say it out loud - he just posts on Twitter the 280 characters or less equivalent of the Tucker Carlson puzzled look.

    He does say it out loud. He told people to vote Republican a month ago and has said that he approves of Ron DeSantis. Imo, that is saying it out loud.

    Yes, the vote Republican comment I do remember. Didn’t realize he said he approves of DeSatan though.

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    I find it kind of funny to read this discussion about left and right. In my country, Germany, the lines between left and right have somehow blurred. The conservative Christian democrats have openly gay politicians, for instance, a minister of the Merkel government. And there are socialists that oppose immigration because immigrants create pressure on wages. While progressive "anti-establishment" leftists tried to force everyone should obey pandemic restrictions, the right-wingers were the ones that were breaking these rules and had street fights with the police. In my opinion, the old political coordinate system is history. Some long-haired hippy guys are 3D printing gun activists. Elon Musk a leftist? How can one of the richest people on earth be a leftist? He smoked pot, right but he also reactivated Trump's twitter account. It's not so simple any more.

  • @krassmann said:
    I find it kind of funny to read this discussion about left and right. In my country, Germany, the lines between left and right have somehow blurred. The conservative Christian democrats have openly gay politicians, for instance, a minister of the Merkel government. And there are socialists that oppose immigration because immigrants create pressure on wages. While progressive "anti-establishment" leftists tried to force everyone should obey pandemic restrictions, the right-wingers were the ones that were breaking these rules and had street fights with the police. In my opinion, the old political coordinate system is history. Some long-haired hippy guys are 3D printing gun activists. Elon Musk a leftist? How can one of the richest people on earth be a leftist? He smoked pot, right but he also reactivated Trump's twitter account. It's not so simple any more.

    You're correct. The old lines defining "Left" and "Right" are different now. I think every succeeding generation redefines what these political terms actually mean for them. The political parties of Germany, England and other European countries (across the spectrum) appear quite Left to Americans.

  • It's kind of fun to run a quote from 10-20 years ago, or even sometimes much more recent, to people and watch them come unglued at what they see as dangerous left or right wing talk. Then you point out that that person is one of the icons of their own party.

  • @wim said:
    It's kind of fun to run a quote from 10-20 years ago, or even sometimes much more recent, to people and watch them come unglued at what they see as dangerous left or right wing talk. Then you point out that that person is one of the icons of their own party.

    Facts.

  • @wim said:
    It's kind of fun to run a quote from 10-20 years ago, or even sometimes much more recent, to people and watch them come unglued at what they see as dangerous left or right wing talk. Then you point out that that person is one of the icons of their own party.

    Hard to tell just from quotes sometimes. Thought it was interesting the other day that someone unearthed this:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/168572/rich-guys-say-the-darndest-things

  • edited December 2022

    @michael_m said:

    @wim said:
    It's kind of fun to run a quote from 10-20 years ago, or even sometimes much more recent, to people and watch them come unglued at what they see as dangerous left or right wing talk. Then you point out that that person is one of the icons of their own party.

    Hard to tell just from quotes sometimes. Thought it was interesting the other day that someone unearthed this:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/168572/rich-guys-say-the-darndest-things

    LOL, great stuff. I scored 92% but I have a feeling that I was lucky.

    @NeuM I can understand that most present or past ruling parties seem to be more left from an US perspective but I think it’s definitely not correct for the nationalist and authoritarian spectrum that gained significantly more voters in recent years. For instance the German AfD (10% of votes in last election) and Hungarian Fidesz (currently in government coalition) have good relations with Russia and China despite the Ukraine war. Some members praising these authoritarian systems being superior to decadent democracy. Parts of AfD want to deport all muslims out of Germany. I think they are much more far from the center than any politician of US democrats or republicans. While formerly leftist German Green party is the biggest supporter of US interests in Germany, fulfilling almost all wishes of the Biden administration even if it’s against German interests. Famous quote of our current minister of foreign affairs (green party): “Ukraine will get every support they need, no matter what my German voters say”

  • @krassmann : there are elected Republicans that hold those same positions you said are more extreme than US politicians. I think you may be unaware of how far to the right the Republican Party has drifted.

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    @espiegel123 said:
    @krassmann : there are elected Republicans that hold those same positions you said are more extreme than US politicians. I think you may be unaware of how far to the right the Republican Party has drifted.

    I think the embarrassing truth is that most of the world already knows about the attempts to oust democratically elected officials and to restrict voting rights where it will benefit Republicans.

    These things have generally been reported with disbelief in many European and Asian newspapers over the past half-decade or so.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @krassmann : there are elected Republicans that hold those same positions you said are more extreme than US politicians. I think you may be unaware of how far to the right the Republican Party has drifted.

    True, regarding US politicians I usually know only the president and some ministers. I also heard of Ron de Santis. If you wanna say that Trump was only the tip of the iceberg, then it is probably much worse than I thought.

  • I’m not sure anyone outside the USofA understands the voting systems there.

    Early voting, drop boxes, chads, electoral colleges, what’s all that even about?

    What’s wrong with a good old fashioned pencil cross in a box.

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