Vocal Tune PRO by Davy Wentzler

dwrae

@AndyPlankton said:
@dwrae I'm think that the Mixolydian scales may be wrong. Isn't mixolydian the same as the major but with a flattened 7th ?

e.g. C Major = C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C
C Mixolydian = C,D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C

on VT Pro C Mixolydian is showing as C,D,Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb,C

I can use chromatic and manually turn off the notes I don't want to get scale I need as a workaround, but having the scales working correctly would be good.

Ouch, I'll check it out, thanks! Edit: the texts for aeolian and mixolydian were swapped. If you select Aeolian, you'll get Mixolydian. I'll update it ASAP, but considering things I'm extremely busy so it might take a few days.

AndyPlankton

@dwrae said:

@AndyPlankton said:
@dwrae I'm think that the Mixolydian scales may be wrong. Isn't mixolydian the same as the major but with a flattened 7th ?

e.g. C Major = C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C
C Mixolydian = C,D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C

on VT Pro C Mixolydian is showing as C,D,Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb,C

I can use chromatic and manually turn off the notes I don't want to get scale I need as a workaround, but having the scales working correctly would be good.

Ouch, I'll check it out, thanks!

If it helps, If I select D Mixolydian, I then get what I would expect for C Mixolydian.

AndyPlankton

@AndyPlankton said:

@dwrae said:

@AndyPlankton said:
@dwrae I'm think that the Mixolydian scales may be wrong. Isn't mixolydian the same as the major but with a flattened 7th ?

e.g. C Major = C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C
C Mixolydian = C,D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C

on VT Pro C Mixolydian is showing as C,D,Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb,C

I can use chromatic and manually turn off the notes I don't want to get scale I need as a workaround, but having the scales working correctly would be good.

Ouch, I'll check it out, thanks!

If it helps, If I select D Mixolydian, I then get what I would expect for C Mixolydian.

Sorry for the multiple messages

If I select B Mixolydian I get what I would expect for A Mixolydian, it seems the root of the mixolydian you get is offset by -1 wholetone from what you select in the UI.
I haven't checked them all but most of the other scale types seem to be OK.

dwrae

@AndyPlankton said:
If I select B Mixolydian I get what I would expect for A Mixolydian, it seems the root of the mixolydian you get is offset by -1 wholetone from what you select in the UI.
I haven't checked them all but most of the other scale types seem to be OK.

I guess you missed my edited text: the texts for aeolian and mixolydian were swapped. If you select Aeolian, you'll get Mixolydian and v.v. I'll update it ASAP, but considering things I'm extremely busy so it might take a few days.

AndyPlankton

@dwrae said:

@AndyPlankton said:
If I select B Mixolydian I get what I would expect for A Mixolydian, it seems the root of the mixolydian you get is offset by -1 wholetone from what you select in the UI.
I haven't checked them all but most of the other scale types seem to be OK.

I guess you missed my edited text: the texts for aeolian and mixolydian were swapped. If you select Aeolian, you'll get Mixolydian and v.v. I'll update it ASAP, but considering things I'm extremely busy so it might take a few days.

ah ! ha, typical..Aeolian is one of the few I didn't check.

Thanks for the info, that'll work fine for now

cokomairena

great dev!

JohnnyGoodyear

@ervin said:

@dwrae said:

@cokomairena said:
I would focus the development in making what AEM already has works faster and cohesively.

You have an OUTSTANDING daw, but it's cumbersome to use.

No problem, it's just that I believe it's what you are used to and one needs to get used to a certain DAW's workflow. There are plenty of examples where things are more cumbersome in Cubasis compared to AEMS. But I always appreciate feedback, it's just that 'it's cumbersome to use' has no actionable value. You would really need to get very specific, otherwise it's of no use for me.

That's a fair point. On the other hand, I'm not sure how I could offer you more value with my feedback, which could be summed up as "AEM is the only DAW on iOS that I wasn't able to figure out at any level just by opening it". I believe it's along the lines of what @cokomairena said about the UX, but I can see it's also very subjective and probably also doesn't provide anything actionable. I don't know how to specify it though, as it really is about the experience in general, not what a specific knob does or doesn't do etc.

It's fascinating to follow here how much you work on it and keep engaging with your users, really exceptional. Huge respect. I wish the app was a little more inviting - see I do that non-actionable BS again. 🙂

+1

charalew

@dwrae said:

@cokomairena said:
I would focus the development in making what AEM already has works faster and cohesively.

You have an OUTSTANDING daw, but it's cumbersome to use.

No problem, it's just that I believe it's what you are used to and one needs to get used to a certain DAW's workflow. There are plenty of examples where things are more cumbersome in Cubasis compared to AEMS. But I always appreciate feedback, it's just that 'it's cumbersome to use' has no actionable value. You would really need to get very specific, otherwise it's of no use for me.

I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

dwrae

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Poppadocrock

Any initial thoughts on this one?

How does it compare to AK Audiotune? Or TB Voice Pitcher?

dwrae

@Poppadocrock said:
Any initial thoughts on this one?

How does it compare to AK Audiotune? Or TB Voice Pitcher?

May I please correct you first that TB Voice Pitcher is not a pitch corrector but a pitch shifter?

ipadbeatmaking

@Poppadocrock said:
Any initial thoughts on this one?

How does it compare to AK Audiotune? Or TB Voice Pitcher?

Its an iOS version of AutoTune EFX imo. Best real-time AutoTune type app (or IAP) on iOS by far for my needs and that’s excluding none. Name any AutoTune type effect on iOS today and I’ll take vocal tune pro instead.

IMO It’s easily worth 10x the price and we all should be giving @dwrae his flowers for his low barrier to entry, lack of subscription and dedication to the mobile platform.

He single handedly gave me parity with desktop platforms for audio (vocal) recording with the workflow and powerful tools I’ve come to expect there.

I can’t speak highly enough about this app.

charalew

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw ** mode rather than **Edit ** mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

charalew

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw **mode rather than **Edit **mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

charalew

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw **mode rather than **Edit **mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

Replying to my own post. Bad form I know. So I took what for me is the relatively extreme measure of actually reading the manual, which as it turns out is extremely well written. See https://www.audio-evolution.com/manual/ios/html/ThePianoRollEditor.html

However, it does say that in Edit mode you should be able to "Tap, hold and slide on the end of note events to adjust the note's length". I cannot for the life of me get this to work, either with or without the pencil @dwrae?

Robin2

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw **mode rather than **Edit **mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

Replying to my own post. Bad form I know. So I took what for me is the relatively extreme measure of actually reading the manual, which as it turns out is extremely well written. See https://www.audio-evolution.com/manual/ios/html/ThePianoRollEditor.html

However, it does say that in Edit mode you should be able to "Tap, hold and slide on the end of note events to adjust the note's length". I cannot for the life of me get this to work, either with or without the pencil @dwrae?

Working here for me. Admittedly very difficult to do with the Pencil - you need to keep it super still after/while tapping. Works with finger just fine though. You definitely are tapping, holding and sliding on the end of the note, not in the middle?

cokomairena

@Poppadocrock said:
Any initial thoughts on this one?

How does it compare to AK Audiotune? Or TB Voice Pitcher?

This is the rel deal, works great for both robotic and more natural pitch correction

KirbyMumbo

Ugh...I'm a sucker for autotune so I guess I gotta buy this. Excited to try it out!

charalew

@Robin2 said:

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw **mode rather than **Edit **mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

Replying to my own post. Bad form I know. So I took what for me is the relatively extreme measure of actually reading the manual, which as it turns out is extremely well written. See https://www.audio-evolution.com/manual/ios/html/ThePianoRollEditor.html

However, it does say that in Edit mode you should be able to "Tap, hold and slide on the end of note events to adjust the note's length". I cannot for the life of me get this to work, either with or without the pencil @dwrae?

Working here for me. Admittedly very difficult to do with the Pencil - you need to keep it super still after/while tapping. Works with finger just fine though. You definitely are tapping, holding and sliding on the end of the note, not in the middle?

Hmmm. Yes I can do that with the pencil in Draw mode (but not Edit mode) if I zoom in enough to enable me to reliably select the end of the note. But the app does seem to behave differently when using the pencil. I can't add notes in Draw mode with the pencil but I can with my fingers for example - can you? For me it just seems to scroll the screen.

Anyway, on the actual thread subject, I've also been testing Vocal Tune Pro and it seems great. Will almost certainly buy that too.

Robin2

@charalew said:

@Robin2 said:

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
I bought AEM ages but don't currently use it. Mostly I struggle with the MIDI editor which doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I prefer the Cubasis/ZenBeats way of editing notes - drag the start of the note to reposition when it's triggered, drag the end to change the length. So essentially it's about working with the notes directly rather than indirectly on the timeline. I have the same issue with Xequence but then again I'm using a 12.9 iPad pro - would probably feel differently if I was running on an iPhone. But the option to do it either way would be good!

For the placement of notes, yes, Cubasis makes (!) you draw the length each time (which is fiddly if you want to enter a couple of notes quickly after each other with a certain length. When you already have a note in Cubasis, you can move it (same as in AEMS), and you can change its length (although that's more of a hit and miss in Cubasis). Likewise, in AEMS, you can edit the length directly, as well as use the white markers to edit the start and/or end. So please tell me what the difference is?

Thanks for the reply @dwrae! Obviously if you say it's possible I must be missing something so I've been doing a bit of experimenting.

It appears that the app behaves differently when you're using the Apple Pencil is that correct? I always use the pencil when editing MIDI so if it does that would explain why I didn't think it was possible to interact with the notes directly. I'd never tried not using the pencil before.

But even using my fingers (which tbh I don't really want to do when I've got the pencil), I can only adjust note lengths directly on the note in **Draw **mode rather than **Edit **mode which was the opposite of what I was expecting given the names of the respective mode. Maybe I'm just stuck in a Cubasis paradigm though

Replying to my own post. Bad form I know. So I took what for me is the relatively extreme measure of actually reading the manual, which as it turns out is extremely well written. See https://www.audio-evolution.com/manual/ios/html/ThePianoRollEditor.html

However, it does say that in Edit mode you should be able to "Tap, hold and slide on the end of note events to adjust the note's length". I cannot for the life of me get this to work, either with or without the pencil @dwrae?

Working here for me. Admittedly very difficult to do with the Pencil - you need to keep it super still after/while tapping. Works with finger just fine though. You definitely are tapping, holding and sliding on the end of the note, not in the middle?

Hmmm. Yes I can do that with the pencil in Draw mode (but not Edit mode) if I zoom in enough to enable me to reliably select the end of the note. But the app does seem to behave differently when using the pencil. I can't add notes in Draw mode with the pencil but I can with my fingers for example - can you? For me it just seems to scroll the screen.

Anyway, on the actual thread subject, I've also been testing Vocal Tune Pro and it seems great. Will almost certainly buy that too.

Yeah, adding notes in Draw mode with the Pencil does work BUT, again, it’s really difficult because the device is so sensitive to any movement of the Pencil tip once it touches the screen that it is registered as a tiny scroll rather than a single tap to place a note. I think that’s what’s happening anyway? If you try really carefully to tap without any movement of the tip on the screen as you do so, it does work but far, far easier with your finger!

dwrae

I will check out the pencil difficulties soon. When a certain change in pixel coordinates happens between first touch and movement in a certain short time, the app will switch to scrolling. I would expect this to be even more accurate with a pencil since with a finger you have a larger touch area, but apparently this isn't the case.

dwrae

@charalew said:
Hmmm. Yes I can do that with the pencil in Draw mode (but not Edit mode) if I zoom in enough to enable me to reliably select the end of the note. But the app does seem to behave differently when using the pencil. I can't add notes in Draw mode with the pencil but I can with my fingers for example - can you? For me it just seems to scroll the screen.

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

charalew

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:
Hmmm. Yes I can do that with the pencil in Draw mode (but not Edit mode) if I zoom in enough to enable me to reliably select the end of the note. But the app does seem to behave differently when using the pencil. I can't add notes in Draw mode with the pencil but I can with my fingers for example - can you? For me it just seems to scroll the screen.

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

cokomairena

@KirbyMumbo said:
Ugh...I'm a sucker for autotune so I guess I gotta buy this. Excited to try it out!

sooo, how do you like it? it's fire!

dwrae

@charalew said:

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

Yes, but it's indeed much easier to trigger scrolling. I'll have a look anyway what can be done about it.

charalew

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

Yes, but it's indeed much easier to trigger scrolling. I'll have a look anyway what can be done about it.

That's great. Thanks. A truly responsive developer👍

dwrae

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

Yes, but it's indeed much easier to trigger scrolling. I'll have a look anyway what can be done about it.

That's great. Thanks. A truly responsive developer👍

Solved. Turns out that some value was not corrected for the screen scale/dpi, so the margin to switch to scrolling was very low. Works much better now. A new release should be ready next week.

charalew

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

Yes, but it's indeed much easier to trigger scrolling. I'll have a look anyway what can be done about it.

That's great. Thanks. A truly responsive developer👍

Solved. Turns out that some value was not corrected for the screen scale/dpi, so the margin to switch to scrolling was very low. Works much better now. A new release should be ready next week.

That's fantastic - thanks @dwrae. I'll certainly take another look at Audio Evolution after the new release because I'm really interested in the Vocal Tune Studio pitch editor

cokomairena

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

@dwrae said:

@charalew said:

I just tried with the Apple Pencil 2 and the latest iPad PRO M2 and have zero issues moving notes or changing a note's length. Do you perhaps have the Apple Pencil 1?

Nope I'm on Apple Pencil 2 here but with a 2020 iPad pro. Are you able to add notes with the pencil too then?

Yes, but it's indeed much easier to trigger scrolling. I'll have a look anyway what can be done about it.

That's great. Thanks. A truly responsive developer👍

Solved. Turns out that some value was not corrected for the screen scale/dpi, so the margin to switch to scrolling was very low. Works much better now. A new release should be ready next week.

Imagine life worked like this 🔥🔥🔥

dwrae

If you want to see Vocal Tune PRO in action, please watch this video (from 17:00 onwards). It's a pretty extensive review: